NO COLLUSION... MOVE ON! (184)
Liberal1Summerfield, Florida USA3 Threads 373 PostsConrad73: Move on!
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NO COLLUSION... MOVE ON!
so,stop gas-lighting!
so,stop gas-lighting!
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Liberal1: You called me a Marxist!
Well, I am not a Marxist because it's clear that Communism is not a viable form of governance! But if I were it would be by far preferable to Fascism! Minority rule and Autocratic Dictatorship is far worse than any form of Communism!
To be clear, I'm a Democratic Socialist and extremely proud of it! Just like Bernie Sanders and millions of others in America, we believe that in a Capitalist Society, those that have benefited the most from Capitalism should reinvest in a more substantial and progressive way in the Society that is the source of their wealth! By doing so they help create and maintain a happy, healthy and well educated Society that in turn creates even more wealth for themselves and the Society in General!
Only bigotry and greed prevents this from happening! The extreme Right has used race to poison the minds of otherwise decent people. The Social Safety net is demonized by those who say: "You don't want your Tax dollars to go to those lazy Blacks or Mexicans do you?" Even though most of the people that use the Social Safety net are White and the working poor!
Inclusion and harmony are good things! Division and hate are not!
Who says this crap??? Leftist News??? I don't know of anyone who thinks that way! Lies!Well, I am not a Marxist because it's clear that Communism is not a viable form of governance! But if I were it would be by far preferable to Fascism! Minority rule and Autocratic Dictatorship is far worse than any form of Communism!
To be clear, I'm a Democratic Socialist and extremely proud of it! Just like Bernie Sanders and millions of others in America, we believe that in a Capitalist Society, those that have benefited the most from Capitalism should reinvest in a more substantial and progressive way in the Society that is the source of their wealth! By doing so they help create and maintain a happy, healthy and well educated Society that in turn creates even more wealth for themselves and the Society in General!
Only bigotry and greed prevents this from happening! The extreme Right has used race to poison the minds of otherwise decent people. The Social Safety net is demonized by those who say: "You don't want your Tax dollars to go to those lazy Blacks or Mexicans do you?" Even though most of the people that use the Social Safety net are White and the working poor!
Inclusion and harmony are good things! Division and hate are not!
Poor people use the system, they are made up of ALL races! Why do you play the race card on every issue? It seems you are the one with the race problem.
HL
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Conrad73: NO COLLUSION... MOVE ON!
so,stop gas-lighting!
STOP LYING and flooding the thread!so,stop gas-lighting!
You scared to death that people will read the Truth!
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Liberal1: You called me a Marxist!
Well, I am not a Marxist because it's clear that Communism is not a viable form of governance! But if I were it would be by far preferable to Fascism! Minority rule and Autocratic Dictatorship is far worse than any form of Communism!
To be clear, I'm a Democratic Socialist and extremely proud of it! Just like Bernie Sanders and millions of others in America, we believe that in a Capitalist Society, those that have benefited the most from Capitalism should reinvest in a more substantial and progressive way in the Society that is the source of their wealth! By doing so they help create and maintain a happy, healthy and well educated Society that in turn creates even more wealth for themselves and the Society in General!
Only bigotry and greed prevents this from happening! The extreme Right has used race to poison the minds of otherwise decent people. The Social Safety net is demonized by those who say: "You don't want your Tax dollars to go to those lazy Blacks or Mexicans do you?" Even though most of the people that use the Social Safety net are White and the working poor!
Inclusion and harmony are good things! Division and hate are not!
Well, I am not a Marxist because it's clear that Communism is not a viable form of governance! But if I were it would be by far preferable than Fascism! Minority rule and Autocratic Dictatorship is far worse than any form of Communism!Well, I am not a Marxist because it's clear that Communism is not a viable form of governance! But if I were it would be by far preferable to Fascism! Minority rule and Autocratic Dictatorship is far worse than any form of Communism!
To be clear, I'm a Democratic Socialist and extremely proud of it! Just like Bernie Sanders and millions of others in America, we believe that in a Capitalist Society, those that have benefited the most from Capitalism should reinvest in a more substantial and progressive way in the Society that is the source of their wealth! By doing so they help create and maintain a happy, healthy and well educated Society that in turn creates even more wealth for themselves and the Society in General!
Only bigotry and greed prevents this from happening! The extreme Right has used race to poison the minds of otherwise decent people. The Social Safety net is demonized by those who say: "You don't want your Tax dollars to go to those lazy Blacks or Mexicans do you?" Even though most of the people that use the Social Safety net are White and the working poor!
Inclusion and harmony are good things! Division and hate are not!
To be clear, I'm a Democratic Socialist and extremely proud of it! Just like Bernie Sanders and millions of others in America, we believe that in a Capitalist Society, those that have benefited the most from Capitalism should reinvest in a more substantial and progressive way in the Society that is the source of their wealth! By doing so they help create and maintain a happy, healthy and well educated Society that in turn creates even more wealth for themselves and the Society in General!
Only bigotry and greed prevents this from happening! The extreme Right has used race to poison the minds of otherwise decent people. The Social Safety net is demonized by those who say: "You don't want your Tax dollars to go to those lazy Blacks or Mexicans do you?" Even though most of the people that use the Social Safety net are White and the working poor!
Inclusion and harmony are good things! Division and hate are not!
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What does "direct Evidence" mean?
It means that if you wake up in the morning and there is snow outside, then you can infer that it snowed, but you have no Direct evidence of it. Someone could have blown snow into your garden during the night for all you know, but to the best of your knowledge and based on the evidence you have, it snowed. Its circumstantial evidence.
Plus he handed over all the testimony to Mueller, which means he thinks it is valuable in the Special Prosecutors investigation that has gathered 199 indictments for conspiracy etc, not collusion.
Plus, what is "collusion?" In American law, it has a very specific meaning, and that's why Trump has chosen the word to scream at the top of his lungs, and the reason he is screaming THAT word is as a distraction from what he HAS done.
"Collusion is a secret agreement between two or more parties to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair market advantage"
So ya, there may not have been a formal active agreement in place between the Trump campaign and the Russians, but that sure as all hell still means there could have been a conspiracy in place to sway the election against Hillary Clinton based through individual members and ordered by Trump himself.
And that's a far more serious charge than collusion. Manafort is looking at 25 years now when sentanced, and nothing in his charge sheet even mentions "Collusion." Collusion is the last thing Trump is worried about. If it was he would be in LESS trouble than he is now.
Finally;
Says it all, really.
It means that if you wake up in the morning and there is snow outside, then you can infer that it snowed, but you have no Direct evidence of it. Someone could have blown snow into your garden during the night for all you know, but to the best of your knowledge and based on the evidence you have, it snowed. Its circumstantial evidence.
Plus he handed over all the testimony to Mueller, which means he thinks it is valuable in the Special Prosecutors investigation that has gathered 199 indictments for conspiracy etc, not collusion.
Plus, what is "collusion?" In American law, it has a very specific meaning, and that's why Trump has chosen the word to scream at the top of his lungs, and the reason he is screaming THAT word is as a distraction from what he HAS done.
"Collusion is a secret agreement between two or more parties to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair market advantage"
So ya, there may not have been a formal active agreement in place between the Trump campaign and the Russians, but that sure as all hell still means there could have been a conspiracy in place to sway the election against Hillary Clinton based through individual members and ordered by Trump himself.
And that's a far more serious charge than collusion. Manafort is looking at 25 years now when sentanced, and nothing in his charge sheet even mentions "Collusion." Collusion is the last thing Trump is worried about. If it was he would be in LESS trouble than he is now.
Finally;
Says it all, really.
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Good to see you Sir_T
Thank you for your input!
HL
Thank you for your input!
HL
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Thanks HL.
The other thing to keep in mind is that the Senate concluded last year that there WAS Russian interference in the Election, but they concluded that it was to attack Clinton, not nesseserily to advance Trump. I guess what is being looked at is the extent that Trump asked for and co-operated with that interference.
That is pretty much an open question at the moment.
Cya guys when I next log in. Been a rough couple of months, so I hope you all are doing well out there. Life is precious, so don't waste it.
The other thing to keep in mind is that the Senate concluded last year that there WAS Russian interference in the Election, but they concluded that it was to attack Clinton, not nesseserily to advance Trump. I guess what is being looked at is the extent that Trump asked for and co-operated with that interference.
That is pretty much an open question at the moment.
Cya guys when I next log in. Been a rough couple of months, so I hope you all are doing well out there. Life is precious, so don't waste it.
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Sir_T: Thanks HL.
The other thing to keep in mind is that the Senate concluded last year that there WAS Russian interference in the Election, but they concluded that it was to attack Clinton, not nesseserily to advance Trump. I guess what is being looked at is the extent that Trump asked for and co-operated with that interference.
That is pretty much an open question at the moment.
Cya guys when I next log in. Been a rough couple of months, so I hope you all are doing well out there. Life is precious, so don't waste it.
I'm not familiar with you Sir but from the little I've seen you seem fairly level headed! Something that in general is sorely lacking around here! I hope to hear more from you and get to know you! I've been disappointed before but I remain optimistic!The other thing to keep in mind is that the Senate concluded last year that there WAS Russian interference in the Election, but they concluded that it was to attack Clinton, not nesseserily to advance Trump. I guess what is being looked at is the extent that Trump asked for and co-operated with that interference.
That is pretty much an open question at the moment.
Cya guys when I next log in. Been a rough couple of months, so I hope you all are doing well out there. Life is precious, so don't waste it.
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Liberal1: I'm not familiar with you Sir but from the little I've seen you seem fairly level headed! Something that in general is sorely lacking around here! I hope to hear more from you and get to know you! I've been disappointed before but I remain optimistic!
Sir_T is a friend of mine. He is so much like you, adamant in his responses, passionate regarding his beliefs, and he does have a heart. He and I have had some heated banters but we still respect one another as persons. You could be 2 peas in a pod.He's dealing with something of importance right now, but he will return in time.
Keep him in your prayers.
HL
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HealthyLiving: Sir_T is a friend of mine. He is so much like you, adamant in his responses, passionate regarding his beliefs, and he does have a heart. He and I have had some heated banters but we still respect one another as persons. You could be 2 peas in a pod.
He's dealing with something of importance right now, but he will return in time.
Keep him in your prayers.
HL
Good to know! Maybe we can take the opportunity to actually get to know each other! Care about each other! Listen too each other! Be Honest with each other! Seek mutually acceptable compromise with each other and somehow accept what we perceive as short comings in each other! Or, accept what we like but don't condemn what we don't!He's dealing with something of importance right now, but he will return in time.
Keep him in your prayers.
HL
Any reasonable effort is absolutely reasonable to me!
I actually care!
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Liberal1: Good to know! Maybe we can take the opportunity to actually get to know each other! Care about each other! Listen too each other! Be Honest with each other! Seek mutually acceptable compromise with each other and somehow accept what we perceive as short comings in each other! Or, accept what we like but don't condemn what we don't!
Any reasonable effort is absolutely reasonable to me!
I actually care!
This would be a good start Libby, so I'm gonna hold you to it.Any reasonable effort is absolutely reasonable to me!
I actually care!
HL
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Liberal1: Well, I am not a Marxist because it's clear that Communism is not a viable form of governance! But if I were it would be by far preferable than Fascism! Minority rule and Autocratic Dictatorship is far worse than any form of Communism!
To be clear, I'm a Democratic Socialist and extremely proud of it! Just like Bernie Sanders and millions of others in America, we believe that in a Capitalist Society, those that have benefited the most from Capitalism should reinvest in a more substantial and progressive way in the Society that is the source of their wealth! By doing so they help create and maintain a happy, healthy and well educated Society that in turn creates even more wealth for themselves and the Society in General!
Only bigotry and greed prevents this from happening! The extreme Right has used race to poison the minds of otherwise decent people. The Social Safety net is demonized by those who say: "You don't want your Tax dollars to go to those lazy Blacks or Mexicans do you?" Even though most of the people that use the Social Safety net are White and the working poor!
Inclusion and harmony are good things! Division and hate are not!
you wrote above,yet claim you are not a Marxist?SMHTo be clear, I'm a Democratic Socialist and extremely proud of it! Just like Bernie Sanders and millions of others in America, we believe that in a Capitalist Society, those that have benefited the most from Capitalism should reinvest in a more substantial and progressive way in the Society that is the source of their wealth! By doing so they help create and maintain a happy, healthy and well educated Society that in turn creates even more wealth for themselves and the Society in General!
Only bigotry and greed prevents this from happening! The extreme Right has used race to poison the minds of otherwise decent people. The Social Safety net is demonized by those who say: "You don't want your Tax dollars to go to those lazy Blacks or Mexicans do you?" Even though most of the people that use the Social Safety net are White and the working poor!
Inclusion and harmony are good things! Division and hate are not!
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Conrad73: you wrote above,yet claim you are not a Marxist?SMH
Your feigned lack of comprehension not withstanding, my statement was very clear and you can't twist it into something it is not! Your tried and untrue attempt to demonize Progressive philosophy only works on the small minded which I'm sure is your target here because you have a lot of small minded people on these threads that want to think like you!
Those of us that actually think and can be analytical see right through your ruse and will not be miscategorised into a box that doesn't fit!
Democracy and equality coupled with inclusion and compassion will result in a better World for all people! Not just the concentrated few!
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"THE CASE FOR COLLUSION
Bailed Out By Russia
1987-2014
1999-2016
President Donald Trump has attempted to distance himself from allegations of collusion by asserting that he has no business interests in Russia. That’s not for lack of trying: Trump’s efforts to establish a hotel in Moscow go back at least to 1987, when, according to his book The Art of the Deal, he discussed the possibility with the Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin. But the questions regarding the Trump campaign’s collusion with the Russian government go beyond whether Trump has business dealings with Russia. It is just as important, if not more, to understand the many ways that Russia has business with Donald Trump.
That Kremlin-linked entities invested significantly in Trump’s properties over the years is not inherently nefarious. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, wealthy Russians have invested heavily in real estate in the West, while Americans were in turn encouraged to invest in Russia. However, in the context of a president under several investigations for his connections to the Kremlin, Russia’s outsize role in Trump’s reemergence from financial tribulations that nearly destroyed his real estate empire merit additional attention. What emerges is the story of a man indebted to Russia through the oligarchs that President Vladimir Putin helped create and now controls.
Upon taking office, Trump superficially distanced himself from the Trump Organization, ceding day-to-day control to his sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump. However, he still owns and profits from the company, which gives him an ongoing stake in maintaining the relationships that make his company profitable, and leaked internal emails suggest he retains more control over the Trump Organization’s operations than he publicly acknowledges. Moreover, the relationships and transactions described below occurred long before his political career, at a time when both internal and external sources have described him as exerting almost unilateral control over the organization.
Individually and collectively, these relationships form the underpinning of the Russia scandal. The Kremlin has a long history of using compromising information, or kompromat, to exert leverage over businesspeople and politicians, both in Russia and abroad. As a result, the question of whether Trump is financially compromised goes beyond the simple question of whether he or his company is directly in debt to Russian banks—something the president denies but has yet to demonstrate by releasing his tax returns. The president’s myriad financial entanglements with individuals from Russia and the former Soviet Union may provide Russia with such kompromat, especially given the substantial evidence that Trump and the Trump Organization have engaged in questionably legal practices, many of which are outlined below. (The Trump Organization has repeatedly denied, both in specific cases and in general, that it has acted illegally or unethically in its business practices.)"
You can find Trump supporters who are willing to lie for him all day long.
If he hired anyone who tells the truth about him... it was an accident.
He doesn't read. His idea of how he wants to run the White House, came from watching The Soprano's.
This is quoted from an online site.
It's too long to post in 4 or 5 pages...
I stored the whole article in my phone a month or two ago; but, I forgot to copy the link with it...
For anybody who's interested, the article should be easy to find, by copy and pasting part of it in a search box.
Bailed Out By Russia
1987-2014
1999-2016
President Donald Trump has attempted to distance himself from allegations of collusion by asserting that he has no business interests in Russia. That’s not for lack of trying: Trump’s efforts to establish a hotel in Moscow go back at least to 1987, when, according to his book The Art of the Deal, he discussed the possibility with the Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin. But the questions regarding the Trump campaign’s collusion with the Russian government go beyond whether Trump has business dealings with Russia. It is just as important, if not more, to understand the many ways that Russia has business with Donald Trump.
That Kremlin-linked entities invested significantly in Trump’s properties over the years is not inherently nefarious. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, wealthy Russians have invested heavily in real estate in the West, while Americans were in turn encouraged to invest in Russia. However, in the context of a president under several investigations for his connections to the Kremlin, Russia’s outsize role in Trump’s reemergence from financial tribulations that nearly destroyed his real estate empire merit additional attention. What emerges is the story of a man indebted to Russia through the oligarchs that President Vladimir Putin helped create and now controls.
Upon taking office, Trump superficially distanced himself from the Trump Organization, ceding day-to-day control to his sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump. However, he still owns and profits from the company, which gives him an ongoing stake in maintaining the relationships that make his company profitable, and leaked internal emails suggest he retains more control over the Trump Organization’s operations than he publicly acknowledges. Moreover, the relationships and transactions described below occurred long before his political career, at a time when both internal and external sources have described him as exerting almost unilateral control over the organization.
Individually and collectively, these relationships form the underpinning of the Russia scandal. The Kremlin has a long history of using compromising information, or kompromat, to exert leverage over businesspeople and politicians, both in Russia and abroad. As a result, the question of whether Trump is financially compromised goes beyond the simple question of whether he or his company is directly in debt to Russian banks—something the president denies but has yet to demonstrate by releasing his tax returns. The president’s myriad financial entanglements with individuals from Russia and the former Soviet Union may provide Russia with such kompromat, especially given the substantial evidence that Trump and the Trump Organization have engaged in questionably legal practices, many of which are outlined below. (The Trump Organization has repeatedly denied, both in specific cases and in general, that it has acted illegally or unethically in its business practices.)"
You can find Trump supporters who are willing to lie for him all day long.
If he hired anyone who tells the truth about him... it was an accident.
He doesn't read. His idea of how he wants to run the White House, came from watching The Soprano's.
This is quoted from an online site.
It's too long to post in 4 or 5 pages...
I stored the whole article in my phone a month or two ago; but, I forgot to copy the link with it...
For anybody who's interested, the article should be easy to find, by copy and pasting part of it in a search box.
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Liberal1: Your feigned lack of comprehension not withstanding, my statement was very clear and you can't twist it into something it is not!
Your tried and untrue attempt to demonize Progressive philosophy only works on the small minded which I'm sure is your target here because you have a lot of small minded people on these threads that want to think like you!
Those of us that actually think and can be analytical see right through your ruse and will not be miscategorised into a box that doesn't fit!
Democracy and equality coupled with inclusion and compassion will result in a better World for all people! Not just the concentrated few!
maybe I just don't speak Communist,having had a Ringside seat longer than I care to remember!Your tried and untrue attempt to demonize Progressive philosophy only works on the small minded which I'm sure is your target here because you have a lot of small minded people on these threads that want to think like you!
Those of us that actually think and can be analytical see right through your ruse and will not be miscategorised into a box that doesn't fit!
Democracy and equality coupled with inclusion and compassion will result in a better World for all people! Not just the concentrated few!
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Conrad73: maybe I just don't speak Communist,having had a Ringside seat longer than I care to remember!
Your very fluent in your support of Dictators and Facism.Nobody uses emoticons like you.
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Conrad73: maybe I just don't speak Communist,having had a Ringside seat longer than I care to remember!
You may not "Speak Communist" but you sure know how to play one on these threads! Look, we both know what you are! You represent what is worst in people! Selfishness, greed, hatred, bigotry that leads you to desire to separate all that is other than you! A white, privileged purveyor of deception who desires to deny the will of the majority!
You are worse than a Communist! You are a Fascist that is all too willing to throw in with the Communists to accomplish your objective! Which is minority rule and Authoritarian governance!
Hence your support for a completely immoral and incompetent Donald Trump!
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Liberal1: You may not "Speak Communist" but you sure know how to play one on these threads!
Look, we both know what you are! You represent what is worst in people! Selfishness, greed, hatred, bigotry that leads you to desire to separate all that is other than you! A white, privileged purveyor of deception who desires to deny the will of the majority!
You are worse than a Communist! You are a Fascist that is all too willing to throw in with the Communists to accomplish your objective! Which is minority rule and Authoritarian governance!
Hence your support for a completely immoral and incompetent Donald Trump!
I truly believed you were going to not resort to Name Calling.Look, we both know what you are! You represent what is worst in people! Selfishness, greed, hatred, bigotry that leads you to desire to separate all that is other than you! A white, privileged purveyor of deception who desires to deny the will of the majority!
You are worse than a Communist! You are a Fascist that is all too willing to throw in with the Communists to accomplish your objective! Which is minority rule and Authoritarian governance!
Hence your support for a completely immoral and incompetent Donald Trump!
My bad,
HL
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HealthyLiving: I truly believed you were going to not resort to Name Calling.
My bad,
HL
Don't know how many times I have to say this to get through to you people! My bad,
HL
Accurate descriptions is NOT name calling! Revealing obvious motives and methods for what they ARE, based on the words and actions of the revealed, is part of that!
Again, you don't seem to have any problem with these people calling me names and assigning inaccurate labels to me just to further their malicious lies and propaganda!
A bit of a double standard don't you think HL?
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