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Feb 6, 2022 4:24 AM CST Northern Ireland Government
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
Statement by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland on the resignation of the First Minister

Statement by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland on the resignation of the First Minister

From:
Northern Ireland Office
Published
3 February 2022

The decision by the DUP to withdraw the First Minister from the Northern Ireland Executive is extremely disappointing. I urge them to reinstate the First Minister immediately to ensure the necessary delivery of public services for the citizens of Northern Ireland.

The UK Government’s priority is to see a strong functioning Northern Ireland Executive delivering a better, more prosperous, shared future for all the people of Northern Ireland.

We want to continue to build on the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement’s promise of a stable, cooperative and respectful power sharing Executive.

The last two years since the New Decade, New Approach Agreement was reached has demonstrated the potential that can be unlocked when the Northern Ireland parties work together. We must not return to a state of political deadlock and inertia.

I recognise the impact the Northern Ireland Protocol is having on the ground. The UK Government has been clear for some time that the Protocol has been causing serious problems, unbalancing the delicate and hard-won political stability in Northern Ireland.

We remain fully committed to fixing the problems with the Protocol and to protect the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement in all its dimensions. We will continue our intensive talks with the EU in order to resolve these.

I will be speaking to the leaders of the five parties of the Northern Ireland Executive, and the Irish Government, to encourage a return to stable devolved government in Northern Irelan

Can someone explain this from the NI point of view.

Thankyou, all my NK friends

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Feb 6, 2022 6:55 AM CST Northern Ireland Government
Tiger_Moth
Tiger_MothTiger_MothYeovil, Somerset, England UK23 Threads 2,833 Posts
People deserve better than a choice between bad government or no government. It can only have one effect – the instability of Northern Ireland and it's people , who will eventually suffer the consequences.


Strategic politics as usual.sigh
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Feb 6, 2022 7:19 AM CST Northern Ireland Government
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
Tiger_Moth: People deserve better than a choice between bad government or no government. It can only have one effect – the instability of Northern Ireland and it's people , who will eventually suffer the consequences.


Strategic politics as usual.
I don't see how a border running down the Irish Sea helpsdunno
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Feb 6, 2022 7:40 AM CST Northern Ireland Government
A recent survey of businesses in NI put the protocol down the list of importance behind business costs, covid and staff shortages etc etc. There's one party causing the hassle and has the backing....or rather obeying the instructions... of loyalist paramilitaries.
That seems to be one mistake that was made when setting up the whole process... .. 1 side can hold the province to ransom...on either side
NI has the best of both worlds if it wants....can trade both UK and EU and could be one hell of a powerhouse if they played their cards right.
Last week the self destruct button was pressed....all that will do is bring NI back down to the level of the shambles that GB finds itself in.
Another thing escaping the minds up there is there is only a certain cohort down here that wants a united Ireland, a lot more think its premature and not all nationalists up there want it either so necks need reeling in. The only danger is SF could get in out of pure disillusionment with the shower that's making a mess of things down here for years.
DUP went against their own business people and farm unions pushing for the hard brexit and this is where they end up....pushed under the bus once the numbers were nt needed for a Westminster majority but they can't see that.
Its like a suck calf keeping going back to its mothers tit but the cow ignoring it laugh
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Feb 6, 2022 8:00 AM CST Northern Ireland Government
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
Whataboutromance: A recent survey of businesses in NI put the protocol down the list of importance behind business costs, covid and staff shortages etc etc. There's one party causing the hassle and has the backing....or rather obeying the instructions... of loyalist paramilitaries.
That seems to be one mistake that was made when setting up the whole process... .. 1 side can hold the province to ransom...on either side
NI has the best of both worlds if it wants....can trade both UK and EU and could be one hell of a powerhouse if they played their cards right.
Last week the self destruct button was pressed....all that will do is bring NI back down to the level of the shambles that GB finds itself in.
Another thing escaping the minds up there is there is only a certain cohort down here that wants a united Ireland, a lot more think its premature and not all nationalists up there want it either so necks need reeling in. The only danger is SF could get in out of pure disillusionment with the shower that's making a mess of things down here for years.
DUP went against their own business people and farm unions pushing for the hard brexit and this is where they end up....pushed under the bus once the numbers were nt needed for a Westminster majority but they can't see that.
Its like a suck calf keeping going back to its mothers tit but the cow ignoring it
So the DUP withdrawing the first minister and his instruction not to check incoming goods, even though reversed almost immediately, was the self estruct button??
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Feb 6, 2022 8:00 AM CST Northern Ireland Government
Tiger_Moth
Tiger_MothTiger_MothYeovil, Somerset, England UK23 Threads 2,833 Posts
Whataboutromance: A recent survey of businesses in NI put the protocol down the list of importance behind business costs, covid and staff shortages etc etc. There's one party causing the hassle and has the backing....or rather obeying the instructions... of loyalist paramilitaries.
That seems to be one mistake that was made when setting up the whole process... .. 1 side can hold the province to ransom...on either side
NI has the best of both worlds if it wants....can trade both UK and EU and could be one hell of a powerhouse if they played their cards right.
Last week the self destruct button was pressed....all that will do is bring NI back down to the level of the shambles that GB finds itself in.
Another thing escaping the minds up there is there is only a certain cohort down here that wants a united Ireland, a lot more think its premature and not all nationalists up there want it either so necks need reeling in. The only danger is SF could get in out of pure disillusionment with the shower that's making a mess of things down here for years.
DUP went against their own business people and farm unions pushing for the hard brexit and this is where they end up....pushed under the bus once the numbers were nt needed for a Westminster majority but they can't see that.
Its like a suck calf keeping going back to its mothers tit but the cow ignoring it
Johnson’s threat to trigger Article 16 could be designed to help the D.U.P. a party with close ties to his own. But just how much does Bojo really care about Northern Ireland. Theresa May needed the D.U.P’.s support to keep her in office after the 2017 general election. But Johnson won a majority in 2019, allowing him to break promises to unionist politicians about not allowing border checks between Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Mind you he's on a downward slope at the momentgrin
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Feb 6, 2022 12:09 PM CST Northern Ireland Government
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
tomcatty: Yeh thats what I meant, thanks for clarifying something people didn't quite understand
May I ask you to give your take on the Northern Ireland Protocol'

Thanks TC.
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Feb 6, 2022 4:11 PM CST Northern Ireland Government
tomcatty: May I ask you to give your take on the Northern Ireland Protocol'

Thanks TC.
It was put in at the last minute to avoid a hard border on this island as to put one here would be in direct contravention of the Good Friday Agreement and break an international agreement. Now with the NIP there is a de facto border the other side but seems to be the best of a bad lot. Going to be next to impossible to square the circle of NIP and GFA but hard border here would be illegal.
Teresa Maye had it solved with her proposal of GB and NI staying in EU customs union but DUP among others kicked off. Her way meant no border and no checks anywhere.
Wonder if the checks were carried out on the "mainland" would it be as much in your face to the DUP...something has to be done but Article 16 is not the way...there seems to be some confusion as to the workings of Article 16 and some like to think its a way of tearing up the withdrawal agreement.
The GFA happened at a time when there wasn't much talk of UK leaving EU and I don't know if that would have been even considered
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Feb 8, 2022 4:59 AM CST Northern Ireland Government


Just for further information but one side as bad as the other
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Feb 8, 2022 5:26 AM CST Northern Ireland Government
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
Whataboutromance: https://www.thejournal.ie/loyalist-uda-ulster-freedom-fighters-collusion-5676746-Feb2022/

Just for further information but one side as bad as the other
Thanks, TC. This thread is now open to all Irish views.thumbs up
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Feb 8, 2022 7:00 AM CST Northern Ireland Government
tomcatty: Thanks, TC. This thread is now open to all Irish views.
Cheers.... You ll find a good variety of views if people of different persuasions post here and people of the same persuasion probably have different views depending on which side of the border they live
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Feb 8, 2022 7:16 AM CST Northern Ireland Government
Name_Taken_Two
Name_Taken_TwoName_Taken_TwoBelfast, Antrim Ireland75 Threads 2,322 Posts
tomcatty: May I ask you to give your take on the Northern Ireland Protocol'

Thanks TC.
The D.U.P. have had 3 leaders in the past year and are a bit miffed that Sinn Fein look set to become the largest party after the next election, and with that they should hold the post of First Minister, something the unionists aren't so happy with, tribal politics and sabre rattling is the norm in the occupied 6..sigh
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Feb 8, 2022 8:05 AM CST Northern Ireland Government
Tiger_Moth
Tiger_MothTiger_MothYeovil, Somerset, England UK23 Threads 2,833 Posts
Name_Taken_Two: The D.U.P. have had 3 leaders in the past year and are a bit miffed that Sinn Fein look set to become the largest party after the next election, and with that they should hold the post of First Minister, something the unionists aren't so happy with, tribal politics and sabre rattling is the norm in the occupied 6..
Living in the midst of a situation is far more educational then reading about it in the media.hug

We can all have an opinion but it matters not unless you have had first hand experience of the "troubles". It's such a tragedy that one of the most beautiful places in the World ,and with some of the friendliest people ,has been torn apart by hatred and politics.crying
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Feb 8, 2022 11:42 AM CST Northern Ireland Government
Name_Taken_Two
Name_Taken_TwoName_Taken_TwoBelfast, Antrim Ireland75 Threads 2,322 Posts
Tiger_Moth: Living in the midst of a situation is far more educational then reading about it in the media.

We can all have an opinion but it matters not unless you have had first hand experience of the "troubles". It's such a tragedy that one of the most beautiful places in the World ,and with some of the friendliest people ,has been torn apart by hatred and politics.
Hey Tiger..wave Yes you are 100% on that, it's like one step forward and three steps backwards, another report published here today identifying collusion between the R.U.C.(Police force) and loyalist murder gangs, no surprise to most in my community. sigh
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