ONE EARTH ONE NATION ( Archived) (29)

Mar 15, 2023 5:54 AM CST ONE EARTH ONE NATION
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Although the technology that acts as the clincher could easily come this century. People stop dying or even if they do die, they don't pass on the next life, they are uploaded into a database. The act of conquering death, or at least the appearance of doing this, splits the species in two. Those who contend we must die younger, must have children, must live in accordance with the state of nature which is by comparison a life nasty, brutal and short. The hour of decision will come this century, what to do about an aging population? The scientists will make it so we can live forever in one form or other, make it so you can erase your own history your emotional scars epigenetically melted away. The scars of the past they don't apply anymore. But to conservatives that will look soulless and they'll go the traditional way, get people dying younger we need to get young again. Science can't animate a corpse forever, we must not cheat death.

Science is going to put two of our instincts at loggerheads. The anti-conservative will to stay alive and cheat death indefinitely if possible, and the traditionalism that recoils in horror at the unloved and the unnatural prospect of the same person living forever.
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Mar 15, 2023 6:17 AM CST ONE EARTH ONE NATION
Yeah,Right,just what we need,more Collectivism!mumbling doh
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Mar 15, 2023 6:21 AM CST ONE EARTH ONE NATION
Decent_Love: Will the human brain ever be so developed that all the political border lines of this earth will end and the whole earth will become one nation?
Is "one Earth one Nation" possible? If "yes" then how and if "no" then why not?
There was a mustachioed Fellow in the 1930s,who invented Gleichschaltung!
Doubt that Humanity ought to go down that same Rabbithole again!uh oh
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Mar 15, 2023 6:34 AM CST ONE EARTH ONE NATION
Mar 15, 2023 6:53 AM CST ONE EARTH ONE NATION
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
And I think this brushes into why there is so much opposition to covid vaccines from conservatives. Because an actual conservative population, like the one in Africa, will survive covid. Marry younger, die sooner, give birth sooner and covid is a non-issue.

The thing about covid is that it can only harm those who have never had it so good. The vaccines save the very people who owe their lives to progressive society. We think of the old as conservative, which they are sort of by comparison to more recent generations, but a population could not get old if it actually was conservative. Boomers are not conservative but are the most wildly radical deviation of a normal human being history has even seen.
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Mar 15, 2023 7:14 AM CST ONE EARTH ONE NATION
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Not to say that the conservatives don't believe the vaccine will make your head fall off. I'm sure many of them do. But the thinking behind the conservatives is what I'm talking about. The truth is not that mrna vaccines are so dangerous as to make them useless to anyone, the truth is that actual conservative society would have a better immune system in the face of covid. The conservative believes you should be able to naturally resist the hardship where the progressive is to believe you could have it so much better because of science. All true conservatism boils down to the capacity to endure, and the progressive is to say you don't need to endure there's an easier way.
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Mar 15, 2023 7:37 AM CST ONE EARTH ONE NATION
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
And that informs my attitude to the pandemic. In lockdown I was with the conservatives, covid is nature throwing us a curveball in a blast from the past that demanded we do something that hasn't been done since before our lifetimes. I.e. grin and bear. The benefit to health from lockdown was imo so much less than the risk of shutting down civilisation to try and turn it back on again. The conservatives were quite right not to try and dodge the bullet in this blast from the past. Mother nature threw us a curveball and the classic option to dig deep was the least bad option we had at the time.

But I broke with the conservatives as they actively conspire to make world conditions as bad as possible to justify the coming of the lord and the charismatic strongman from the far-right. When life is unavoidably hard I think like a conservative, but when they try to make life hard by design I don't appreciate it. I know that life can be hard but that's not the same thing as looking for a hard life, wanting a hard life.
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Mar 15, 2023 7:57 AM CST ONE EARTH ONE NATION
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
And essentially our response to the pandemic was just being precious. A preciously high maintenance hypochondriac.

What I don't believe is that vaccines are here to kill people. And the people who say that actually want a system that goosesteps us into misery and bloodshed like the youth of Russia. Everything that seaworthy says is a projection of the murderous tyranny that would come to power if he had his way.
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Mar 15, 2023 8:48 AM CST ONE EARTH ONE NATION
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Apologies for going on it just includes so much as to the reason why we can't all live as one. Even in a future that resembles science fiction.

Earth a nation could only arise by bringing new meaning to the term down to earth. The curious types move into space reaching up to an infinity that makes anybody living on earth relatively ordinary. All religions congeal into one, all conservatives one, in the face of these very scientific and curious space-dweller. The earth remains the traditional human being minus a certain curiosity. Genetics can be random, if your parents are conservative and incurious, it doesn't necessarily mean that you are. However, it probably does mean this. If the more curious and intelligent move into space people on earth will be more content to live an ordinary, predictable life. Those who remain on earth will be bred in a conservative direction a bit like Europe after America got started. For a long time Europe was very conservative and it's from diminished curiosity. The explorers they found themselves in America. But then again genetics is random, I think these selection processes set terms for a century or so before the randomness sets the tone again. Curiosity will re-emerge from the most unlikely of places. I mean at one time we were a single celled organism. The people who remain on earth will be down to earth in their personality. But their kids? A little less so, and so on and so on. It won't stay that way forever.
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