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I have no details hence this is Hypothetical.
But here in NZ: On Wednesday A Lady died because the local Power company cut her Power due to an unpaid Power bill. She was on an Oxygen Machine and needed the power to run her Machine.
That much is fact. It also leaves the background and the alternatives to speculation.
To me the Press have blown this out of proportion. The Power Company were within their rights and the individual should of paid their bills.
But here in NZ: On Wednesday A Lady died because the local Power company cut her Power due to an unpaid Power bill. She was on an Oxygen Machine and needed the power to run her Machine.
That much is fact. It also leaves the background and the alternatives to speculation.
To me the Press have blown this out of proportion. The Power Company were within their rights and the individual should of paid their bills.
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I dunno about Arizona, but here in OR medical patients and elderly can claim hardship, and/or the power company can be sued for wrongful death.
Sure, they're within their rights. But we don't have the option to go somewhere else for our power, so they have a responsibility also.
Monopoly is never a pretty thing. And trust me, utilities ARE a monopoly. Here in OR, if you generate your own power via alternative sources (wind, solar, etc.) , you have to sell your power to the utility and then buy it back. That is just plain reprehensible.
TET
Sure, they're within their rights. But we don't have the option to go somewhere else for our power, so they have a responsibility also.
Monopoly is never a pretty thing. And trust me, utilities ARE a monopoly. Here in OR, if you generate your own power via alternative sources (wind, solar, etc.) , you have to sell your power to the utility and then buy it back. That is just plain reprehensible.
TET
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I dunno about Arizona, but here in OR medical patients and elderly can claim hardship, and/or the power company can be sued for wrongful death.
Sure, they're within their rights. But we don't have the option to go somewhere else for our power, so they have a responsibility also.
Monopoly is never a pretty thing. And trust me, utilities ARE a monopoly. Here in OR, if you generate your own power via alternative sources (wind, solar, etc.) , you have to sell your power to the utility and then buy it back. That is just plain reprehensible.
TET
Sure, they're within their rights. But we don't have the option to go somewhere else for our power, so they have a responsibility also.
Monopoly is never a pretty thing. And trust me, utilities ARE a monopoly. Here in OR, if you generate your own power via alternative sources (wind, solar, etc.) , you have to sell your power to the utility and then buy it back. That is just plain reprehensible.
TET
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Hw do you sue if you're dead?? 
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Next of kin, my friend. And lawyers who love their name in the papers will line up for the job.
"Poor little lady abused by big multinational."
Grandma got run over by ENRON,
because SSI couldn't pay the bills.
"Poor little lady abused by big multinational."
Grandma got run over by ENRON,
because SSI couldn't pay the bills.
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And if there aren't any next of kin??
Sorry, I'm just being my old difficult self...
Sorry, I'm just being my old difficult self...
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I wouldn't expect anything less, jen.
If there are no next of kin, I'm sure the state would take plaintiff rights to sue. A victim is a victim, and a criminal is a criminal.
Not a bad idea to establish a foundation for this sort of thing, actually.
TET
If there are no next of kin, I'm sure the state would take plaintiff rights to sue. A victim is a victim, and a criminal is a criminal.
Not a bad idea to establish a foundation for this sort of thing, actually.
TET
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That is the current situation here. The Monopoly are saying they were wrong and these exemption clause's are in place. But someone who, didn't provide correct information, or investigate the situation in this house.
Or the property is registered differently to the way the house was being used
I still say if the power was that important to this person then she should of done something about coming to grips with her bill with this supplier.
Where was her money going. Where was it being spent. I could make assumptions and really cause crap but I'll keep the debate friendly.
I still submit. The monopoly has the right to cut your power if bills aren't paid. We all know how important power is to us. It is a necessity to us. So it has priority over most other things in our lives like a vehicle or restaurants or such.
It is up to the regulations (government) to control the monopoly and keep it affordable. The elderly as they head into Winter always find it hard.
who, didn't provide correct information, or investigate the situation in this house. Or the property is registered differently to the way the house was being used
I still say if the power was that important to this person then she should of done something about coming to grips with her bill with this supplier.
Where was her money going. Where was it being spent. I could make assumptions and really cause crap but I'll keep the debate friendly.
I still submit. The monopoly has the right to cut your power if bills aren't paid. We all know how important power is to us. It is a necessity to us. So it has priority over most other things in our lives like a vehicle or restaurants or such.
It is up to the regulations (government) to control the monopoly and keep it affordable. The elderly as they head into Winter always find it hard.
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Yeah but when the government is the monopoly, the fox guards the henhouse. Here about a year ago, Bush got on the local utilities for not charging ENOUGH! 
You can argue all you like that they have the right to cut anyone off they feel like. I'd prefer to generate my own power and say to hell with all of them.
But, I can't do that now can I?
At least not according to local law. I have to sell each KWH to the utility at $.04 and then buy it back at $.06.
Why cant I just keep my own power? Because, then Texas doesn't get their two cents per KWH.
That's about all I have to say. They have the right? So? I should have the right to generate my own power, but I don't...It's all on how much money you already have in the bank.
TET
You can argue all you like that they have the right to cut anyone off they feel like. I'd prefer to generate my own power and say to hell with all of them.
But, I can't do that now can I?
At least not according to local law. I have to sell each KWH to the utility at $.04 and then buy it back at $.06.
Why cant I just keep my own power? Because, then Texas doesn't get their two cents per KWH.
That's about all I have to say. They have the right? So? I should have the right to generate my own power, but I don't...It's all on how much money you already have in the bank.
TET
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Here in NZ you can source and run independant supply.
What really gets me with this situation, Is why didn't the lady ring for help or grab an oxygen bottle and go to a neighbour for help.
This death is not the result of the Power company. I think there is another agency ducking for cover and shifting the blame.
I have some experience as my step father is in the same situation.
I can only assume they cut the power at night so no one was aware of situation. But that really seems unlikely. I would assume this sort of thing is done on day shift.
What really gets me with this situation, Is why didn't the lady ring for help or grab an oxygen bottle and go to a neighbour for help.
This death is not the result of the Power company. I think there is another agency ducking for cover and shifting the blame.
I have some experience as my step father is in the same situation.
I can only assume they cut the power at night so no one was aware of situation. But that really seems unlikely. I would assume this sort of thing is done on day shift.
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Yes, I heard about this and no, I totally disagree. The cost of the power the consumers would have been liable for in no way justifies a person's life. Particularly when you think of the huge amounts of profits they make, it would have been a drop in the ocean but clearly meant so much to the lady concerned and her family. I can see no reason why they could not come to some other arrangement.
It was an outrage!! If it was your wife or mother would you feel they were justified?? I doubt it.........
It was an outrage!! If it was your wife or mother would you feel they were justified?? I doubt it.........
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For. If you know you need power, make proper arrangements to pay your bill, somehow or another. Not only that, but at least here, you get a warning notice beforehand so you have time to pay your bill before they cut your power off.
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That is just it.
Was an arrangement attempted. I don't know. But generally you get three notices of overdue account. If you are paying a proportional part of it they can't really do anything surely.
Yes I am in that situation. My stepfather is in the same situation. But they are managing their bills. If they weren't I would have them move in with me or vice versa. To combine wages and pay bills.
I suspect there is a lot more to this case than the Power Company will release. They are already in the Crap with the Public over this so won't play what equats to the racial card. Which gave them no choice but to cut power.
Was an arrangement attempted. I don't know. But generally you get three notices of overdue account. If you are paying a proportional part of it they can't really do anything surely.
Yes I am in that situation. My stepfather is in the same situation. But they are managing their bills. If they weren't I would have them move in with me or vice versa. To combine wages and pay bills.
I suspect there is a lot more to this case than the Power Company will release. They are already in the Crap with the Public over this so won't play what equats to the racial card. Which gave them no choice but to cut power.
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in nz you can't sue!
all you can do is lay a complaint with the police or through your lawyer, and the police decide what is the appropriate action according to the law..
a sticky debate, they shouldn't have cut of her power so quickly and she should have had an emergency power supply to protect herself in emergencies, such as powercuts, electrical storms and powerline cutouts...
everyone is a loser, she lost her life, the power company lost a customer...for good! and get bad press...
more communication was needed...
all you can do is lay a complaint with the police or through your lawyer, and the police decide what is the appropriate action according to the law..
a sticky debate, they shouldn't have cut of her power so quickly and she should have had an emergency power supply to protect herself in emergencies, such as powercuts, electrical storms and powerline cutouts...
everyone is a loser, she lost her life, the power company lost a customer...for good! and get bad press...
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Here in Ok, all utilities are owned and run by the state. So there is no compitition. It is also a fact, they can do as they please and you have no choice in the matter even if it is in violation of federal laws. According to the federal laws, if you are on medical dependance, and need power to run machines to keep you alive, they cannot cut the power, But in Ok they can and will in a heartbeat.
There was a case here in a city, Claremore where they did just that, and the woman almost died. When contacted about this issue, they said it is the customer's responibility to pay the bills and not the state to keep it going. The woman had someone takin g care of her bills as she was unable to, and the person either failed to pay that bill, or what ever, the end result was the lack of electricity almost killed this woman, and the States view was "So what?".
There was a case here in a city, Claremore where they did just that, and the woman almost died. When contacted about this issue, they said it is the customer's responibility to pay the bills and not the state to keep it going. The woman had someone takin g care of her bills as she was unable to, and the person either failed to pay that bill, or what ever, the end result was the lack of electricity almost killed this woman, and the States view was "So what?".
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Your right Uptiger.
Everyone is right. I don't think this will go any further unless one of us wants to make a stand and start race bashing.
I don't wish to do that. Thanks everyone. It has at least been a nice formal rappore.
Everyone is right. I don't think this will go any further unless one of us wants to make a stand and start race bashing.
I don't wish to do that. Thanks everyone. It has at least been a nice formal rappore.
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You are against. And I'm for.
How was the state responsible. The person who didn't pay her bill was the one responsible. They should be the one everyone is lashing out at not the power company.
How was the state responsible. The person who didn't pay her bill was the one responsible. They should be the one everyone is lashing out at not the power company.
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We had a M-Power card at my house wher keeth sherbert lived, and in the very very hot az summer he would use all of the ac and when i got home with mom we had to sit in a hot house.
all of our food spoiled in the fridge, so i had to eat it all before it gone badd.
i hate the power company, piss me off!@
all of our food spoiled in the fridge, so i had to eat it all before it gone badd.
i hate the power company, piss me off!@
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Here is the Question.
The Power Company can cut your power if you don't pay your bill.
Yes/No or in good debating fashion.
For or Against.