BREEDING - unsustainable and ecologically incorrect (93)
I think it's mainly a personal choice / decision, for whatever reason.
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RedHeadedTaurus: I think it's mainly a personal choice / decision, for whatever reason.
I know, that´s exactly the point. Considering the current natural disasters, loss of habitats and mass extinction of species, lack of potable water for 1/3 of the world population, all due to environment damage, don´t you think it´s about time having children becomes a SOCIAL decision, not an INDIVIDUAL one? Because it´s this personal decision that´s really causing all the trouble: too many people, too many people...
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Having kids is ecologically incorrect and inviable? Inviable to the environment or to your pocket? Selfish because it's bad for the environment?
Please explain
I'll be having kids because i think there is enough love for them and i want to have such experience.
The world has always been a dangerous place.
Please explain
I'll be having kids because i think there is enough love for them and i want to have such experience.
The world has always been a dangerous place.
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Moema: I know, that´s exactly the point. Considering the current natural disasters, loss of habitats and mass extinction of species, lack of potable water for 1/3 of the world population, all due to environment damage, don´t you think it´s about time having children becomes a SOCIAL decision, not an INDIVIDUAL one? Because it´s this personal decision that´s really causing all the trouble: too many people, too many people...
That's the excuse that girls who don't want to have kids find to sound reasonable. But as Redhead said, it's a personal choice, you are not less of a woman if you don't feel less of a woman by not having kids.
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Inviable to the environment.
And "I think there is enough love for them and i want to have such experience" is exactly what I meant when I said it´s selfish, because you´re not thinking of the kids, you´re thinking of your own desire to have kids.
No personal offense to anyone meant, it´s just a point of view.
And "I think there is enough love for them and i want to have such experience" is exactly what I meant when I said it´s selfish, because you´re not thinking of the kids, you´re thinking of your own desire to have kids.
No personal offense to anyone meant, it´s just a point of view.
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Moema: Some people ask me why I won´t have kids. When I want to to give them a serious answer, I say it´s because it´s unsustainable, ecologically incorrect and inviable, selfish and alienated.
They call me radical. However, the reason why we spend so much money on hopeless environment protection measures is that nobody in the decision-making spheres wants to deal with the real problem - too many people wlaking on the planet - and face all those religious voters, of all religions, who think that´s "God´s plan". Well, maybe if God hadn´t been invented, they would certainly have found other reasons. To me, it´s economy: economies need to grow, so more demand is necessary.
I won´t have kids because it´s just not fair with THEM.
Thoughts?
They call me radical. However, the reason why we spend so much money on hopeless environment protection measures is that nobody in the decision-making spheres wants to deal with the real problem - too many people wlaking on the planet - and face all those religious voters, of all religions, who think that´s "God´s plan". Well, maybe if God hadn´t been invented, they would certainly have found other reasons. To me, it´s economy: economies need to grow, so more demand is necessary.
I won´t have kids because it´s just not fair with THEM.
Thoughts?
I think people should do little more than replicate themselves, beyond that is irresponsible for the reasons you mention and a few others. We have been less careful about human breeding that we are about canines and other species, its time we got a grip.
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Moema: I know, that´s exactly the point. Considering the current natural disasters, loss of habitats and mass extinction of species, lack of potable water for 1/3 of the world population, all due to environment damage, don´t you think it´s about time having children becomes a SOCIAL decision, not an INDIVIDUAL one? Because it´s this personal decision that´s really causing all the trouble: too many people, too many people...
Hello ,
good points ,however I don't agree,
It is a Social decision in China ,
people are still being fined if they have more than one child,
female babies are still being killed ,
because it is better seemingly to have male babies ,
Its an Individual choice !
If you can afford kids ,have as manu as you desire IMO,
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Moema: Inviable to the environment.
And "I think there is enough love for them and i want to have such experience" is exactly what I meant when I said it´s selfish, because you´re not thinking of the kids, you´re thinking of your own desire to have kids.
No personal offense to anyone meant, it´s just a point of view.
And "I think there is enough love for them and i want to have such experience" is exactly what I meant when I said it´s selfish, because you´re not thinking of the kids, you´re thinking of your own desire to have kids.
No personal offense to anyone meant, it´s just a point of view.
"there is enough love" - this is not selfish
What would be a non-selfish reason to have kids then? Any advice?
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cristina: That's the excuse that girls who don't want to have kids find to sound reasonable. But as Redhead said, it's a personal choice, you are not less of a woman if you don't feel less of a woman by not having kids.
It´s not about that either. I don´t feel less of a human being, before I even feel less of a woman, due to anything I believe in or decide to do.
The world´s always been a dangerous place - you´ve got a point. However, it´s not only to one person that you owe now. It´s to thousands of other living species who cannot tell you they need more space and they need to keep living as a species too. It´s to the next generations who will not have the same comfort or opportunities as you do now (it´s called "intergenerational responsibility" in Brazilian Law, even though we have less brains).
The point is not whether why I don´t want kids or why you do. It´s who should decide about that and on what basis.
Enough of me lecturing though, I want to listen to the opinions.
Cheers.
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cristina: "there is enough love" - this is not selfish
What would be a non-selfish reason to have kids then? Any advice?
What would be a non-selfish reason to have kids then? Any advice?
Actually I´ve got a few ideas.
One, I think the Chinese realized a long time ago what I´m talking about and they took their own measures: one child per couple only. That´s sustainable; even though it may affect many people´s personal wishes, it helps the collective to be less chaotic and in turn it helps those same individuals to have better living conditions.
Two, I think it´s no use talking about/ taking environment protection, species protection, land conservation measures if people keep buying what they don´t need. Here´s the definition of status by a Brazilian brainless philosopher: "status is buying something you don´t need, with money you don´t have, to show people you don´t like something you are not".
Three, social inclusion but if I keep going on nobody else will read, let alone speak.
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Moema: I know, that´s exactly the point. Considering the current natural disasters, loss of habitats and mass extinction of species, lack of potable water for 1/3 of the world population, all due to environment damage, don´t you think it´s about time having children becomes a SOCIAL decision, not an INDIVIDUAL one? Because it´s this personal decision that´s really causing all the trouble: too many people, too many people...
RedHeadedTaurus: Again, I think it's mainly a personal choice / decision, for whatever reason. To each his / her own.
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Moema: It´s not about that either. I don´t feel less of a human being, before I even feel less of a woman, due to anything I believe in or decide to do.
The world´s always been a dangerous place - you´ve got a point. However, it´s not only to one person that you owe now. It´s to thousands of other living species who cannot tell you they need more space and they need to keep living as a species too. It´s to the next generations who will not have the same comfort or opportunities as you do now (it´s called "intergenerational responsibility" in Brazilian Law, even though we have less brains).
The point is not whether why I don´t want kids or why you do. It´s who should decide about that and on what basis.
Enough of me lecturing though, I want to listen to the opinions.
Cheers.
The world´s always been a dangerous place - you´ve got a point. However, it´s not only to one person that you owe now. It´s to thousands of other living species who cannot tell you they need more space and they need to keep living as a species too. It´s to the next generations who will not have the same comfort or opportunities as you do now (it´s called "intergenerational responsibility" in Brazilian Law, even though we have less brains).
The point is not whether why I don´t want kids or why you do. It´s who should decide about that and on what basis.
Enough of me lecturing though, I want to listen to the opinions.
Cheers.
Your first post sounded as if you wanted our personal opinion about having kids/environment/sustainability!
Not all parts of the world is overpopulated. Thus, what we need is to circulate, migration instead of stoping procreation!
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Moema: Actually I´ve got a few ideas.
One, I think the Chinese realized a long time ago what I´m talking about and they took their own measures: one child per couple only. That´s sustainable; even though it may affect many people´s personal wishes, it helps the collective to be less chaotic and in turn it helps those same individuals to have better living conditions.
Two, I think it´s no use talking about/ taking environment protection, species protection, land conservation measures if people keep buying what they don´t need. Here´s the definition of status by a Brazilian brainless philosopher: "status is buying something you don´t need, with money you don´t have, to show people you don´t like something you are not".
Three, social inclusion but if I keep going on nobody else will read, let alone speak.
One, I think the Chinese realized a long time ago what I´m talking about and they took their own measures: one child per couple only. That´s sustainable; even though it may affect many people´s personal wishes, it helps the collective to be less chaotic and in turn it helps those same individuals to have better living conditions.
Two, I think it´s no use talking about/ taking environment protection, species protection, land conservation measures if people keep buying what they don´t need. Here´s the definition of status by a Brazilian brainless philosopher: "status is buying something you don´t need, with money you don´t have, to show people you don´t like something you are not".
Three, social inclusion but if I keep going on nobody else will read, let alone speak.
I agree with you but in a free society, which is exactly the cause of the problem, you won't find many wanting to limit anything they want, much less take steps to be responsible when it comes to baby making. Consumption rules for many, unfortuneately.
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cristina: Your first post sounded as if you wanted our personal opinion about having kids/environment/sustainability!
Not all parts of the world is overpopulated. Thus, what we need is to circulate, migration instead of stoping procreation!
Not all parts of the world is overpopulated. Thus, what we need is to circulate, migration instead of stoping procreation!
Yes, I did want your personal opinion. Everything I´m posting is my personal opinion.
The thing is, the world isn´t made of "parts" any more, and we can´t fill all "parts" up just because they´re empty. Ask the Japanese.
As for myself, I´m willing to circulate anytime, just can´t afford it hahaha.
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Do you believe in such a thing as a Free Society?
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cristina: Your first post sounded as if you wanted our personal opinion about having kids/environment/sustainability!
Not all parts of the world is overpopulated. Thus, what we need is to circulate, migration instead of stoping procreation!
Not all parts of the world is overpopulated. Thus, what we need is to circulate, migration instead of stoping procreation!
Generally there is a good reason if there is parts of the world with less people on it, i.e. Unsuitable farmland. So spreading out wouldn't help much. You only have to read/ listen to the news to hear about new food problems where they have not previously been expected to happen. As a whole humans have exploited the planet, and we are going to have to pay. Either we have to try to start helping that process now by being more socially aware or face the alternatives of people smashing each others skulls in for the last tin of bean. Maybe this is the worst case senario but if the population keeps expanding the way it is then the conclusion is plain.
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I agree with you, and it does seem a large proportion of the planet live only in order to reproduce themselves. The reduction of population numbers in the Western World would have a dramatic effect on everything from energy to housing. less is better.
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Moema: Actually I´ve got a few ideas.
One, I think the Chinese realized a long time ago what I´m talking about and they took their own measures: one child per couple only. That´s sustainable; even though it may affect many people´s personal wishes, it helps the collective to be less chaotic and in turn it helps those same individuals to have better living conditions.
Two, I think it´s no use talking about/ taking environment protection, species protection, land conservation measures if people keep buying what they don´t need. Here´s the definition of status by a Brazilian brainless philosopher: "status is buying something you don´t need, with money you don´t have, to show people you don´t like something you are not".
Three, social inclusion but if I keep going on nobody else will read, let alone speak.
One, I think the Chinese realized a long time ago what I´m talking about and they took their own measures: one child per couple only. That´s sustainable; even though it may affect many people´s personal wishes, it helps the collective to be less chaotic and in turn it helps those same individuals to have better living conditions.
Two, I think it´s no use talking about/ taking environment protection, species protection, land conservation measures if people keep buying what they don´t need. Here´s the definition of status by a Brazilian brainless philosopher: "status is buying something you don´t need, with money you don´t have, to show people you don´t like something you are not".
Three, social inclusion but if I keep going on nobody else will read, let alone speak.
Get over the "Brazilian brainless" philosophy...it's not efficient otherwise each day you'll be having home work. That is, we do suck most of the time.
I think you should mobilize Brasil to take the Chinese example or simply export kids to the Northen Europe and Scandinavian countries.
Anyway, HIV is spreading more and more. Millions of people die of it everyday...not only in Africa but all over the world.
The world should be worried about industrialization as the main cause of ecological problems rather than population. We are consuming more than we need aren't we? Lets change our consuming habits instead. We don't need all what we consume. A solution for this could be Freeganism as well, what do you think?
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CrosstownTraffic: Generally there is a good reason if there is parts of the world with less people on it, i.e. Unsuitable farmland. So spreading out wouldn't help much. You only have to read/ listen to the news to hear about new food problems where they have not previously been expected to happen. As a whole humans have exploited the planet, and we are going to have to pay. Either we have to try to start helping that process now by being more socially aware or face the alternatives of people smashing each others skulls in for the last tin of bean. Maybe this is the worst case senario but if the population keeps expanding the way it is then the conclusion is plain.
ah good point ,
howeva , whats new in people bashing each others heads in,
same ole ,same ole , if you ask me !
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They call me radical. However, the reason why we spend so much money on hopeless environment protection measures is that nobody in the decision-making spheres wants to deal with the real problem - too many people wlaking on the planet - and face all those religious voters, of all religions, who think that´s "God´s plan". Well, maybe if God hadn´t been invented, they would certainly have found other reasons. To me, it´s economy: economies need to grow, so more demand is necessary.
I won´t have kids because it´s just not fair with THEM.
Thoughts?