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Nov 3, 2008 8:24 AM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
Just a post on the religious affiliation of presidents. The right wing christian influence is very evident.


1. Washington (F)3 1789–1797 Va. 2/22/1732 12/14/1799 Episcopalian 57 67
2. J. Adams (F) 1797–1801 Mass. 10/30/1735 7/4/1826 Unitarian 61 90
3. Jefferson (DR) 1801–1809 Va. 4/13/1743 7/4/1826 Deist 57 83
4. Madison (DR) 1809–1817 Va. 3/16/1751 6/28/1836 Episcopalian 57 85
5. Monroe (DR) 1817–1825 Va. 4/28/1758 7/4/1831 Episcopalian 58 73
6. J. Q. Adams (DR) 1825–1829 Mass. 7/11/1767 2/23/1848 Unitarian 57 80
7. Jackson (D) 1829–1837 S.C. 3/15/1767 6/8/1845 Presbyterian 61 78
8. Van Buren (D) 1837–1841 N.Y. 12/5/1782 7/24/1862 Reformed Dutch 54 79
9. W. H. Harrison (W)4 1841 Va. 2/9/1773 4/4/1841 Episcopalian 68 68
10. Tyler (W) 1841–1845 Va. 3/29/1790 1/18/1862 Episcopalian 51 71
11. Polk (D) 1845–1849 N.C. 11/2/1795 6/15/1849 Methodist 49 53
12. Taylor (W)4 1849–1850 Va. 11/24/1784 7/9/1850 Episcopalian 64 65
13. Fillmore (W) 1850–1853 N.Y. 1/7/1800 3/8/1874 Unitarian 50 74
14. Pierce (D) 1853–1857 N.H. 11/23/1804 10/8/1869 Episcopalian 48 64
15. Buchanan (D) 1857–1861 Pa. 4/23/1791 6/1/1868 Presbyterian 65 77
16. Lincoln (R)5 1861–1865 Ky. 2/12/1809 4/15/1865 Liberal 52 56
17. A. Johnson (U)6 1865–1869 N.C. 12/29/1808 7/31/1875 (7) 56 66
18. Grant (R) 1869–1877 Ohio 4/27/1822 7/23/1885 Methodist 46 63
19. Hayes (R) 1877–1881 Ohio 10/4/1822 1/17/1893 Methodist 54 70
20. Garfield (R)5 1881 Ohio 11/19/1831 9/19/1881 Disciples of Christ 49 49
21. Arthur (R) 1881–1885 Vt. 10/5/1829 11/18/1886 Episcopalian 50 56
22. Cleveland (D) 1885–1889 N.J. 3/18/1837 6/24/1908 Presbyterian 47 71
23. B. Harrison (R) 1889–1893 Ohio 8/20/1833 3/13/1901 Presbyterian 55 67
24. Cleveland (D)8 1893–1897 N.J. 3/18/1837 6/24/1908 Presbyterian 55 71
25. McKinley (R)5 1897–1901 Ohio 1/29/1843 9/14/1901 Methodist 54 58
26. T. Roosevelt (R) 1901–1909 N.Y. 10/27/1858 1/6/1919 Reformed Dutch 42 60
27. Taft (R) 1909–1913 Ohio 9/15/1857 3/8/1930 Unitarian 51 72
28. Wilson (D) 1913–1921 Va. 12/28/1856 2/3/1924 Presbyterian 56 67
29. Harding (R)4 1921–1923 Ohio 11/2/1865 8/2/1923 Baptist 55 57
30. Coolidge (R) 1923–1929 Vt. 7/4/1872 1/5/1933 Congregationalist 51 60
31. Hoover (R) 1929–1933 Iowa 8/10/1874 10/20/1964 Quaker 54 90
32. F. D. Roosevelt (D)4 1933–1945 N.Y. 1/30/1882 4/12/1945 Episcopalian 51 63
33. Truman (D) 1945–1953 Mo. 5/8/1884 12/26/1972 Baptist 60 88
34. Eisenhower (R) 1953–1961 Tex. 10/14/1890 3/28/1969 Presbyterian 62 78
35. Kennedy (D)5 1961–1963 Mass. 5/29/1917 11/22/1963 Roman Catholic 43 46
36. L. B. Johnson (D) 1963–1969 Tex. 8/27/1908 1/22/1973 Disciples of Christ 55 64
37. Nixon (R)9 1969–1974 Calif. 1/9/1913 4/22/1994 Quaker 56 81
38. Ford (R) 1974–1977 Neb. 7/14/1913 12/26/2006 Episcopalian 61 —
39. Carter (D) 1977–1981 Ga. 10/1/1924 — Southern Baptist 52 —
40. Reagan (R) 1981–1989 Ill. 2/6/1911 6/5/2004 Disciples of Christ 69 93
41. G.H.W. Bush (R) 1989–1993 Mass. 6/12/1924 — Episcopalian 64 —
42. Clinton (D) 1993–2001 Ark. 8/19/1946 — Baptist 46 —
43. G. W. Bush (R) 2001– Conn. 7/6/46 — Methodist
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Nov 3, 2008 8:24 AM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
NOTES in bold:

1. F—Federalist; DR—Democratic-Republican; D—Democratic; W—Whig; R—Republican; U—Union.
2. Religious affiliation at election. Several presidents changed religions during their lifetimes.
3. No party for first election. The party system in the U.S. made its appearance during Washington's first term.
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4. Died in office.
5. Assassinated in office.
6. The Republican National Convention of 1864 adopted the name Union Party. It renominated Lincoln for president; for vice president it nominated Johnson, a War Democrat. Although frequently listed as a Republican vice president and president, Johnson undoubtedly considered himself strictly a member of the Union Party. When that party broke apart after 1868, he returned to the Democratic Party.
7. Johnson was not a professed church member; however, he admired the Baptist principles of church government.
8. Second nonconsecutive term.
9. Resigned Aug. 9, 1974.
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Nov 3, 2008 8:26 AM CST God & Politics/Power
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
BnaturAl: NOTES in bold:

1. F—Federalist; DR—Democratic-Republican; D—Democratic; W—Whig; R—Republican; U—Union.
2. Religious affiliation at election. Several presidents changed religions during their lifetimes.
3. No party for first election. The party system in the U.S. made its appearance during Washington's first term.
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4. Died in office.
5. Assassinated in office.
6. The Republican National Convention of 1864 adopted the name Union Party. It renominated Lincoln for president; for vice president it nominated Johnson, a War Democrat. Although frequently listed as a Republican vice president and president, Johnson undoubtedly considered himself strictly a member of the Union Party. When that party broke apart after 1868, he returned to the Democratic Party.
7. Johnson was not a professed church member; however, he admired the Baptist principles of church government.
8. Second nonconsecutive term.
9. Resigned Aug. 9, 1974.


Must be in the bloodlines....
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Nov 3, 2008 8:28 AM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
StressFree: Must be in the bloodlines....




laugh more like chosen from bloodlines ... clearly reptilian rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 3, 2008 8:37 AM CST God & Politics/Power
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
BnaturAl: more like chosen from bloodlines ... clearly reptilian


I'm a converted sun worshiper....living in Sweden will do that to ya!

Plus, I don't have a tailbone and my R-complex is under control. Me=clearly not reptilianscold

Carl Sagan's "The Dragons of Eden" talks about the reptilian influences on humanity...it's component of human nature (ritualistic and hierarchical behavior.

Waddell uses the R word and other researches and books as well....especially the Bible....reptilians are all over the place in the Bible...


ooooooo.....the rabbit hole deepens....
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Nov 3, 2008 8:47 AM CST God & Politics/Power
lusciousmile
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StressFree: I'm a converted sun worshiper....living in Sweden will do that to ya!

Plus, I don't have a tailbone and my R-complex is under control. Me=clearly not reptilian

Carl Sagan's "The Dragons of Eden" talks about the reptilian influences on humanity...it's component of human nature (ritualistic and hierarchical behavior.

Waddell uses the R word and other researches and books as well....especially the Bible....reptilians are all over the place in the Bible...ooooooo.....the rabbit hole deepens....


I sent you something to warm you. giggle

rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 3, 2008 9:06 AM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
Weren't the jews the originators of capitalism?



will we ever find the rabbit confused
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Nov 3, 2008 9:20 AM CST God & Politics/Power
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
BnaturAl: Weren't the jews the originators of capitalism?
will we ever find the rabbit


throw in the Judicial system and jurisdictions. Jew-dicial and jew-urisdictions...
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Nov 3, 2008 9:35 AM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
StressFree: Well Bnat, don't take this personal, but I do believe that there are some historical/cosmic truths in the bible. Yes, I'm with you in how it's used as a tool for fear and mass control in some ways, but I just have some of my own thoughts with the significance of the Bible. It's too hard to summarize in a forum. It's a mix of fairy tale and truths....

I have an interesting take on our supposed shift to a new vibration that kinda sounds like the rapture, but it's not in the way that Paul describes it in Thessalonians 4:15-17. I see some truths in the bible twisted for a purpose. Part fairy tale, part truth in this plane of existence.

Go easy on me in your next post



laugh Oh I dont disagree, believe it or not. Parts of the bible are functional hand downs (already 5000 yrs old before the romans took it)- from persian, egyptian, sumerian knowledge. Agreed ... but the edited sections are all about prophecy and power however.

Isn't the rapture an after thought? not even part tof the bible? dunno

I'm always easy .. cheers see I didn't say anything about vibrations ... hope youre including the inherent properties of energy in that take now... wine
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Nov 3, 2008 9:36 AM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
StressFree: throw in the Judicial system and jurisdictions. Jew-dicial and jew-urisdictions...


laugh thats so jew-venile rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 9, 2008 11:12 AM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
Next and this is creepy;



"BETTER THEM THAN US!"

What is rarely discussed publicly by Jews or fundamentalists is the fundamentalists' view of the looming cost to Israelis for their return to Palestine. Fundamentalists believe that the Great Tribulation will wipe out two-thirds of the Jews in Israel. Hence, to encourage their return to the State of Israel is to encourage their destruction.

John Walvoord, who died in 2002, served for three decades as the president of Dallas Theological Seminary, the largest and best-known dispensational seminary (founded, 1924). He was the author of numerous books, both academic and popular, on dispensational prophecy. He taught Hal Lindsey, who attended Dallas Seminary. Here is his assessment of the future of Israelis.

The purge of Israel in their time of trouble is described by Zechariah in these words: "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith Jehovah, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried" (Zechariah 13:8, 9). According to Zechariah's prophecy, two thirds of the children of Israel in the land will perish, but the one third that are left will be refined and be awaiting the deliverance of God at the second coming of Christ which is described in the next chapter of Zechariah. (John F. Walvoord, Israel in Prophecy [Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1988], p. 108.

Nothing will be done by Christians to save Israel's Jews from this disaster, for all of the Christians will have been removed from this world three and a half years prior to the beginning of this 42-month period of tribulation. The only Christians present at that time will be recent converts to the faith, who had been left behind as non-believers at the time of the Rapture.

Therefore, in order for most of today's Christians to escape physical death, two-thirds of the Jews in Israel must perish, soon. This is the grim prophetic trade-off that fundamentalists rarely discuss publicly, but which is the central motivation in the movement's political support for the State of Israel.

It should be clear why they believe that Israel must be defended at all costs by the West. If Israel were removed militarily from history prior to the Rapture, then the strongest case for Christians' imminent escape from death would have to be abandoned. This would mean the indefinite delay of the Rapture. The fundamentalist movement thrives on the doctrine of the imminent Rapture, not the indefinitely postponed Rapture.

Every time you hear the phrase, "Jesus is coming back soon," you should mentally add, "and two-thirds of the Jews of Israel will be dead in `soon plus 84 months.'" Fundamentalists really do believe that they probably will not die physically, but to secure this faith prophetically, they must accept the doctrine of an inevitable future holocaust....
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Nov 9, 2008 11:12 AM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
Should anything happen to remove Israel from the Middle East during the lifetimes of these people, then the expected Great Tribulation will have to be postponed, probably for centuries, until another State of Israel is established. The appearance of the State of Israel in 1948 would then turn out to have been an eschatologically irrelevant political event.

Should Israel ever be "pushed into the sea," these people will have to face what the rest of us began facing early in life: the prospect of our statistically inescapable physical death.... This belief in death-free living is the rarely stated psychological motivation behind American fundamentalism's unwavering support of the State of Israel.

... the Church Age will end with the Rapture of living saints into heaven. The millennial age, which will be marked by Christ's bodily presence, will not be a church age, but will be a restored Davidic kingdom. It will even involve the restoration of the Temple sacrifices – as memorials, however, not as redemptive sacrifices. As Scofield writes in one of his notes, "Doubtless these offerings will be memorial, looking back to the cross. . . ." (Scofield Reference Bible, p. 890n).

TIMING THE GREAT ESCAPE

According to Scofield's note to I Corinthians 15:52, the first resurrection of the dead will accompany the death-free translation of living Christians into their eternal condition. He writes:

The "first resurrection," that "unto life," will occur at the second coming of Christ (I Cor. 15. 23), the saints of the O.T. and church ages meeting Him in the air. . . . The bodies of living believers will, at the same time, be instantly changed (I Cor. 15. 52–53; Phil. 3. 20–21). This "change" of the living, and the resurrection of the dead in Christ, is called "the redemption of the body" (Rom. 8. 23; Eph. 1. 13, 14).

The crucial question is this: When will this event take place? It will take place before the beginning of the Great Tribulation, which will last three and a half years. In his note to Revelation 7:14, Scofield writes regarding the duration of the Great Tribulation, . . .

The great tribulation is immediately followed by the return of Christ in glory, and all the events associated therewith (

But how long before the 42-month Great Tribulation begins will the invisible second coming take place, the one that allows Christians to avoid death and the grave? Exactly 42 months. This is because this coming dispensation, according to dispensationalists, is the fulfillment of the prophecy of the seventieth week of Daniel (Dan. 9:24), a week of seven years. Scofield's note says:

When the Church-age will end, and the seventieth week begin, is nowhere revealed. Its duration can be but seven years. (

Ever since the creation of the State of Israel in 1948, fundamentalists have lost their reticence in dating the end of the Church Age. They have rejoiced in the presumably fast-approaching fulfillment of Bible prophecy during which, in Scofield's words, "the people of God who will have returned to Palestine in unbelief." Why such rejoicing? Because, if a Christian can make it to the day, exactly three and a half years before this fulfillment takes place, he will not suffer death.

This is why fundamentalists send money to Jewish organizations that bring Russian Jews to the State of Israel. They want to speed up the process. One of these programs, "On Wings of Eagles," is sponsored by Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein's International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. In 2002, he joined with Ralph Reed, the former political technician for Pat Robertson's grass-roots political training organization, Christian Coalition, to create Stand for Israel. Reed today is Chairman of the Georgia Republican Party.
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