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Jan 17, 2009 8:09 PM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
ididitmyway
ididitmywayididitmywayLoughrea, Galway Ireland1 Threads 11 Posts
Hello Conrad,
Im afraid you information is incorrect. You are correct when you say it is stored under water, this reduces the risk of fire as it can spontaneously combusts at 32 degrees in air but if it is ignited it will continue to burn under water as water contains oxygen. Incase theres any doubt Ive included my source of information and another article readers might find interesting.
“M34 White phosphorus hand grenade.
This is an inert shell that, if active, would be filled with 15 ounces of white phosphorus and a small charge that distributes it over a 35 meter radius when set off. Anyone in that area without protection would be severely burned and/or poisoned, and flammable material would likely end up in flames.
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next we have
W.P.(c)-White Phosphorus. This is a very nasty round that is very effective against enemy units. It is like napalm and covers almost everything. It cannot be put out, even by submerging it in water. To remove a burning patch from flesh it has to be scraped off.”
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I came across a web site set up by Israeli students. The object of this website is to encourage Israeli supporters to flood websites such as CS, facebook, bebo, discussion forums and news media comment sections with pro-Israeli messages. They also have a "QassamCount" which is "an application on social media sites Facebook and Twitter that automatically updates a user's status every time a rocket hits Israel. All of that user's friends will see the status update, which lists the location of the attack and the number of rockets fired."

The websie in question is

And here is an article from the Jerusalem Post:

Very clever move as I think a lot of people are getting fed up with mainstream media and are turning more and more to the internet for their news. So they are flooding internet sites with pro-Israeli propaganda. So if CS gets a sudden influx of pro-Israeli supporters they could possible have come from this site.
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Jan 18, 2009 3:46 AM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
patrickthomas
patrickthomaspatrickthomasMullingar, Westmeath Ireland33 Threads 4 Polls 1,911 Posts
ididitmyway: Hello Conrad,
Im afraid you information is incorrect. You are correct when you say it is stored under water, this reduces the risk of fire as it can spontaneously combusts at 32 degrees in air but if it is ignited it will continue to burn under water as water contains oxygen. Incase theres any doubt Ive included my source of information and another article readers might find interesting.
“M34 White phosphorus hand grenade.
This is an inert shell that, if active, would be filled with 15 ounces of white phosphorus and a small charge that distributes it over a 35 meter radius when set off. Anyone in that area without protection would be severely burned and/or poisoned, and flammable material would likely end up in flames.
taken from
next we have
W.P.(c)-White Phosphorus. This is a very nasty round that is very effective against enemy units. It is like napalm and covers almost everything. It cannot be put out, even by submerging it in water. To remove a burning patch from flesh it has to be scraped off.”
taken from

I came across a web site set up by Israeli students. The object of this website is to encourage Israeli supporters to flood websites such as CS, facebook, bebo, discussion forums and news media comment sections with pro-Israeli messages. They also have a "QassamCount" which is "an application on social media sites Facebook and Twitter that automatically updates a user's status every time a rocket hits Israel. All of that user's friends will see the status update, which lists the location of the attack and the number of rockets fired."

The websie in question is

And here is an article from the Jerusalem Post:

Very clever move as I think a lot of people are getting fed up with mainstream media and are turning more and more to the internet for their news. So they are flooding internet sites with pro-Israeli propaganda. So if CS gets a sudden influx of pro-Israeli supporters they could possible have come from this site.


thumbs up
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Jan 18, 2009 4:55 AM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
ididitmyway: Hello Conrad,
Im afraid you information is incorrect. You are correct when you say it is stored under water, this reduces the risk of fire as it can spontaneously combusts at 32 degrees in air but if it is ignited it will continue to burn under water as water contains oxygen. Incase theres any doubt Ive included my source of information and another article readers might find interesting.
“M34 White phosphorus hand grenade.
This is an inert shell that, if active, would be filled with 15 ounces of white phosphorus and a small charge that distributes it over a 35 meter radius when set off. Anyone in that area without protection would be severely burned and/or poisoned, and flammable material would likely end up in flames.
taken from
next we have
W.P.(c)-White Phosphorus. This is a very nasty round that is very effective against enemy units. It is like napalm and covers almost everything. It cannot be put out, even by submerging it in water. To remove a burning patch from flesh it has to be scraped off.”
taken from

I came across a web site set up by Israeli students. The object of this website is to encourage Israeli supporters to flood websites such as CS, facebook, bebo, discussion forums and news media comment sections with pro-Israeli messages. They also have a "QassamCount" which is "an application on social media sites Facebook and Twitter that automatically updates a user's status every time a rocket hits Israel. All of that user's friends will see the status update, which lists the location of the attack and the number of rockets fired."

The websie in question is

And here is an article from the Jerusalem Post:

Very clever move as I think a lot of people are getting fed up with mainstream media and are turning more and more to the internet for their news. So they are flooding internet sites with pro-Israeli propaganda. So if CS gets a sudden influx of pro-Israeli supporters they could possible have come from this site.
And which site did you come from.
If you were here through all those threads that were removed,you'd see,it was the opposite,a sudden influx of about a half dozen Hamas Supporters,sprouting Threads like Mushrooms after a warm Rain.
And your Chemistry is sorely lacking,since the O2 in water is chemically bonded.That means,it is NOT free!!!!!
So be afraid all you want!laugh
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Jan 18, 2009 8:11 AM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
Conrad73: And which site did you come from.
If you were here through all those threads that were removed,you'd see,it was the opposite,a sudden influx of about a half dozen Hamas Supporters,sprouting Threads like Mushrooms after a warm Rain.
And your Chemistry is sorely lacking,since the O2 in water is chemically bonded.That means,it is NOT free!!!!!
So be afraid all you want!



Oxygen is dissolved in water....thats how the little fishes breathe. He was not speaking of the bonded oxygen that you are speaking.
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Jan 18, 2009 8:41 AM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
The white phosphorus grenade, also known as "Willie Petes", is a horrifically effective device that is officially listed as a screening device for the grey, wispy, light smoke it produces. Most experienced military personnel know better, using them for anti-material and anti-personnel effects. A Willie Pete consists of a light metal container packed with white phosphorus and a small bursting charge. When the charge detonates, it destroys the container, and spreads the white phosphorous, which ignites on contact with oxygen and burns at approximately 2750 degrees standard (27 and a half time the boiling point of water). The only treatments for WP burns are to submerge in water the effected area, and then pick out the particles (which will re-ignite as soon as they are exposed to oxygen), or cover the WP with copper sulphate to deactivate it. Most professional soldiers consider the use of WP-based munitions to be either a barbaric weapon of last resort, or a highly effective weapon with many suitable applications, depending on their personality.


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Jan 18, 2009 8:43 AM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
Conrad73: And which site did you come from.
If you were here through all those threads that were removed,you'd see,it was the opposite,a sudden influx of about a half dozen Hamas Supporters,sprouting Threads like Mushrooms after a warm Rain.
And your Chemistry is sorely lacking,since the O2 in water is chemically bonded.That means,it is NOT free!!!!!
So be afraid all you want!


Hamas supporters?
So things are reduced to supporting Hamas or not. It amazes me an intelligent man can reduce things that way.

AS for the chemical discussion here I do not know what is the real meaning of that: non-conventional weapons will kill people in a horrible way, and with all the professionalism of designers and users.

Just one more point to clear things up: Oxygen is chemically bonded to water molecules but at the molecular level (what is called a solution or in other words oxygen dissolved in water for this case) it does not mean it is free or not free. That is relative, let´s see why: An oxygen molecule is just attached to a lattice of water molecules but in a delicate equilibrium easily broken by external agents, say, if another chemical entering into the water has a higher energy of interaction with the oxygen molecule, then the molecular bond of the pair water-oxygen gets broken up. (In other cases the chemicals do not simply let the oxygen molecules attach the lattice, or make it more difficult, for example the water with chlorine dissolves a lot less oxygen than the water without chlorine)
The technical descriptions and explanations of this specific subject can be found in any basic book of high-school chemistry.

As for the other stuff of non-conventional weapons to kill people more effectively we better ask an Israeli expert (when he gets retired maybe)

PS. I hope the last statement makes me another mushroom sprouted after the rain.
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Jan 18, 2009 8:55 AM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
ididitmyway: Hello Conrad,
Im afraid you information is incorrect. You are correct when you say it is stored under water, this reduces the risk of fire as it can spontaneously combusts at 32 degrees in air but if it is ignited it will continue to burn under water as water contains oxygen. Incase theres any doubt Ive included my source of information and another article readers might find interesting.
“M34 White phosphorus hand grenade.
This is an inert shell that, if active, would be filled with 15 ounces of white phosphorus and a small charge that distributes it over a 35 meter radius when set off. Anyone in that area without protection would be severely burned and/or poisoned, and flammable material would likely end up in flames.
taken from
next we have
W.P.(c)-White Phosphorus. This is a very nasty round that is very effective against enemy units. It is like napalm and covers almost everything. It cannot be put out, even by submerging it in water. To remove a burning patch from flesh it has to be scraped off.”
taken from

I came across a web site set up by Israeli students. The object of this website is to encourage Israeli supporters to flood websites such as CS, facebook, bebo, discussion forums and news media comment sections with pro-Israeli messages. They also have a "QassamCount" which is "an application on social media sites Facebook and Twitter that automatically updates a user's status every time a rocket hits Israel. All of that user's friends will see the status update, which lists the location of the attack and the number of rockets fired."

The websie in question is

And here is an article from the Jerusalem Post:

Very clever move as I think a lot of people are getting fed up with mainstream media and are turning more and more to the internet for their news. So they are flooding internet sites with pro-Israeli propaganda. So if CS gets a sudden influx of pro-Israeli supporters they could possible have come from this site.


Ive seen that website too and see it as a further extension of the Israeli propaganda machines efforts to influence governments and media worldwide - but the facts speak for themselves.

They have finally, after 50 yrs of such tactics, cornered these people into the tiny Gaza Strip area and are now systematically bombarding them with vastly superior weaponry, thereby flouting various Geneva and UN conventions.

A lot of their arms are supplied by Britain and America who have a vested interest (the arms trade is very lucrative) in helping them perpetuate this genocide of native peoples (ring any bells?) in their self serving efforts to influence the outcomes of their own ongoing struggles in the middle east and the international scramble for oil supremacy.
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Jan 18, 2009 10:02 AM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
ididitmyway
ididitmywayididitmywayLoughrea, Galway Ireland1 Threads 11 Posts
Conrad73: And which site did you come from.
If you were here through all those threads that were removed,you'd see,it was the opposite,a sudden influx of about a half dozen Hamas Supporters,sprouting Threads like Mushrooms after a warm Rain.
And your Chemistry is sorely lacking,since the O2 in water is chemically bonded.That means,it is NOT free!!!!!
So be afraid all you want!


I apologise for upseting you Conrad. You are right my chemistry is sorely lacking. Just for the record I am NOT a Hamas supported, live and let live Conrad and again I apologise for any upset I caused you. If you are anti Hamas I can understand that and respect your views. In no way do I support the rocket attacks in Israel nor do I believe this conflict is as simple as ownership of natural gas. Natural gas is a valuable resource but Palestine has more valuable resources such as water. Humans can live without natural gas.

West Bank Water Usage
Of the water available from West Bank aquifers, Israel uses 73%, West Bank Palestinians use 17%, and illegal Jewish settlers use 10%.
While 10-14% of Palestine’s GDP is agricultural, 90% of them must rely on rain-fed farming methods. Israel’s agriculture is only 3% of their GDP, but Israel irrigates more than 50% of its land.
Three million West Bank Palestinians use only 250 million cubic meters per year (83 cubic meters per Palestinian per year) while six million Israelis enjoy the use of 1,954 million cubic meters (333 cubic meters per Israeli per year), which means that each Israeli consumes as much water as four Palestinians. Israeli settlers are allocated 1,450 cubic meters of water per person per year.
Israel consumes the vast majority of the water from the Jordan River despite only 3% of the river falling within its pre-1967 borders. Israel now diverts one quarter of its total water consumption through its National Water Carrier from the Jordan River, whereas Palestinians have no access to it whatsoever due to Israeli closures.
Israeli Military Orders to Control Water Resources

Israeli strategies aimed to negate the very presence of the Palestinian people. Major Israeli designs intended to coerce the Palestinians to vacate the land. Practices, such as land confiscation, house demolition and even killings, enabled Israel tighter control over Palestinian land including water its most valuable resource.

Immediately after the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip in 1967, Israeli military authorities issued several Military Orders (MO) to ensure tight control over water resources. On 17 June 1967, Military Order 92 was issued. It covered the following:

a-All water resources in Gaza and the West Bank are considered government property;
b-All permits for artesian wells are cancelled;
c-All information or data regarding water resources is strictly classified7.

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Jan 18, 2009 10:02 AM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
ididitmyway
ididitmywayididitmywayLoughrea, Galway Ireland1 Threads 11 Posts
Continued...

On 15 August 1967, another Military Order was issued placing all authority over water matters, exclusively, in the hands of a military officer. Military Order 1015 issued on 27 July 1982 and was amended by Military Order 1039 on 5 December 1982 determined the nature and quantity of crops Palestinians may plant, especially, in irrigated parts. It also demanded that Palestinian farmers reduce their crops to lessen water consumption8 . Similarly, in the Gaza Strip, two Military Orders were issued declaring water resources governmental and ordering Palestinians to seek permission from the military governor for any project involving water.

These Military Orders enabled Israeli occupation authorities absolute control over Palestinian water resources. These authorities have often refused to grant any permission to dig artesian wells or to build any water networks. Dr. Paul Korch wrote in Middle Right: “Since the occupation of the Palestinian territories by Israel the military authorities did not grant a permit to a single village to dig any wells. Between 1967 and 1983 only seven wells were allowed and those were for domestic consumption”. Additionally, Israeli authorities prohibit restoration of old wells. Owners of wells that existed prior to June 1967 were forced to place meters to determine exact amounts of water drawn from their wells.

The Palestinian Planing Center reported that Israeli Water Commission exercised direct and tight control over Palestinian water resources since 1967. Two Israeli companies, Tahal was responsible for regulating water policies while Mekorot, was entrusted with digging artesian wells and sales of water in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
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Jan 18, 2009 5:24 PM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
Tbeaumont83
Tbeaumont83Tbeaumont83Fort Campbell, Kentucky USA2 Posts
Yes mam, I apologize bout the language, but that's pretty weak if you let words get to ya. I am not full of hate sister, it's just the opposite. If you could just open your eyes a bit and quit feeling sorry for the one's who are going to end this world, maybe you'd see that hama'sw will never end thier hatred towards a civlilzed nation. If it wasn't Israel, it'd be the next closest civilized country in the regoin. It's never ending HATE. A hate of peace, a hate of love, and well a hate at the fact of bringing democracy and some kind of order to the middle east. You are sympathizing with the enemy of freedom women. And blaing it on some natural gas companies. Get out of here, no one in their right mind is that cynical to believe that's the whole theory for invading Gaza. Tell me than why for no good reason at all do rockets continue to pound the streets of Israel, after a cease fire has been reached, who knows how many several times in the past. It's weak minded people such as your self, that keep these guys in action. Step back, take a look at the whole picture, and don't put stuff on the net if you can't take a bit of the truth kid. My words are harsh, but seems to be the only way I can actually get people to look inside themselve's and bring out the a lil thought process. Maybe I can enlighten another human being from somewhere on that side of the world to step up, be a man, fight for what is right, and good in this world. Love, peace, freedom, happiness, and family is what the world needs more of, not some fanatical looney's trying to justify terrorism or anything else that oppresses human kind. Alright, please bear with me here, can you see my point of view?? I understand where you are coming from, but you make it sound like some kind of conspiracy. I love this life, and everyone in it, but I am not about to sympathize with the undoing of all mankinds acheivements towards peace and civilization. Now was that full of hatred too?? Negative sister.
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Jan 18, 2009 5:27 PM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
Tbeaumont83
Tbeaumont83Tbeaumont83Fort Campbell, Kentucky USA2 Posts
Yes mam, I apologize bout the language, but that's pretty weak if you let words get to ya. I am not full of hate sister, it's just the opposite. If you could just open your eyes a bit and quit feeling sorry for the one's who are going to end this world, maybe you'd see that hama's will never end thier hatred towards a civlilzed nation. If it wasn't Israel, it'd be the next closest civilized country in the regoin. It's never ending HATE. A hate of peace, a hate of love, and well a hate at the fact of bringing democracy and some kind of order to the middle east. You are sympathizing with the enemy of freedom, women. And blaming it on some natural gas companies. Get out of here, no one in their right mind is that cynical to believe that's the whole theory for invading Gaza. Tell me than why for no good reason at all do rockets continue to pound the streets of Israel, after a cease fire has been reached, who knows how many several times in the past. It's weak minded people such as your self, that keep these guys in action. Step back, take a look at the whole picture, and don't put stuff on the net if you can't take a bit of the truth kid. My words are harsh, but seems to be the only way I can actually get people to look inside themselve's and bring out the a lil thought process. Maybe I can enlighten another human being from somewhere on that side of the world to step up, be a man, fight for what is right, and good in this world. Love, peace, freedom, happiness, and family is what the world needs more of, not some fanatical looney's trying to justify terrorism or anything else that oppresses human kind. Alright, please bear with me here, can you see my point of view?? I understand where you are coming from, but you make it sound like some kind of conspiracy. I love this life, and everyone in it, but I am not about to sympathize with the undoing of all mankinds acheivements towards peace and civilization. Now was that full of hatered too?? Negative sister.
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Jan 18, 2009 5:28 PM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
ididitmyway: Continued...

On 15 August 1967, another Military Order was issued placing all authority over water matters, exclusively, in the hands of a military officer. Military Order 1015 issued on 27 July 1982 and was amended by Military Order 1039 on 5 December 1982 determined the nature and quantity of crops Palestinians may plant, especially, in irrigated parts. It also demanded that Palestinian farmers reduce their crops to lessen water consumption8 . Similarly, in the Gaza Strip, two Military Orders were issued declaring water resources governmental and ordering Palestinians to seek permission from the military governor for any project involving water.

These Military Orders enabled Israeli occupation authorities absolute control over Palestinian water resources. These authorities have often refused to grant any permission to dig artesian wells or to build any water networks. Dr. Paul Korch wrote in Middle Right: “Since the occupation of the Palestinian territories by Israel the military authorities did not grant a permit to a single village to dig any wells. Between 1967 and 1983 only seven wells were allowed and those were for domestic consumption”. Additionally, Israeli authorities prohibit restoration of old wells. Owners of wells that existed prior to June 1967 were forced to place meters to determine exact amounts of water drawn from their wells.

The Palestinian Planing Center reported that Israeli Water Commission exercised direct and tight control over Palestinian water resources since 1967. Two Israeli companies, Tahal was responsible for regulating water policies while Mekorot, was entrusted with digging artesian wells and sales of water in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
Glad you don't have your ROOTS there!professor
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Jan 18, 2009 5:34 PM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Conrad73: Glad you don't have your ROOTS there!


I bet you're glad you dont have your roots there either Conrad - just imagine such a traversty of justice on the people of switzeralnd - oh how outrageous laugh
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Jan 18, 2009 5:46 PM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
trish123: I bet you're glad you dont have your roots there either Conrad - just imagine such a traversty of justice on the people of switzeralnd - oh how outrageous
Yep,it is all about ROOTS!devil
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Jan 18, 2009 5:52 PM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
ididitmyway
ididitmywayididitmywayLoughrea, Galway Ireland1 Threads 11 Posts
Conrad73: Yep,it is all about ROOTS!


You said it brother thumbs up we all have roots and we all try to protect the ground those roots grow in. The only question left is weather we are flowers or weeds. confused
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Jan 18, 2009 6:11 PM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Conrad73: Yep,it is all about ROOTS!



even the neutral countries wont be safe from the coming shake up Conrad laugh

Filthy Lucre has had its day - no matter who it pays to hide the evidence rolling on the floor laughing
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Jan 18, 2009 10:57 PM CST Gaza's Natural Gas Supplies
Drewski
DrewskiDrewskiOlds, Alberta Canada9 Threads 343 Posts
Forever Young
In response to: Do you also have the relevant photographs of suiside bombers blowing up Israeli school children on buses?


Get a reply yet?rolling on the floor laughing

Trish
In response to: I also have some maps which show just how much land has been stolen by the Israelis in the last 50 yrs but that will have to wait till I have a little more time........


I have locations of attacks that correspond with those maps. Normally when somrbody uses something to attack you with you take it away from them Trish.

Trish
In response to: Gaza conflict death toll hits 1000 victims
Jan 15 2009


Amazingly low considering the 400 of them were Hamas who hide amongst those others.
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