A Clue? (17)

Sep 5, 2008 5:34 PM CST A Clue?
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
Been loyal to this Englishman since november, it is going very good, really good, with one exception. That being is this: very odd here now ok? would you expect any different from me? I think not. I came here in April and now I am back in August second visit he even went to Ireland with me in May, we get along very well, we respect each other, and I honestly do believe he loves me, he showers me like I am gold with all things in life, the problem is this, I want my man to be in love with me, he says it has been twenty five years since he was "IN LOVE" that if I were to go back to that place(where he fell in love years ago) maybe he would be "IN LOVE" with me, he calls it childish and says I am never going to be satisfied.......................am I being selfish to want it all? I love my family and my friends but I am not in love with them, there is a difference, and sadly this is going to hold me back I am afraid, I want it all, I want to be loved and I want my man to be IN LOVE with me, am I wrong? we could be good, very good companions in life, this I know but....................the one factor is missing out of my formula and that means a lot. He has even went so far as to let it slip he is in love with my character and that is what he fell for to start with,,,,am confused, am I being childish wanting this? or should I settle? I don't think I can to be honest. Nice replies are welcomed otherwise don't comment please. tRrose
Sep 5, 2008 5:43 PM CST A Clue?
well i think we all need that x factor for relations to last
not quite sure what he means by your character???
is it possible hes in denial out of some guilt from past ?? anyone who spends that much time and effort on long distance relationship would be in love i would think
then again never ben in love myself though at times i thought i had so maybe im wrong one to give advice
Sep 5, 2008 5:52 PM CST A Clue?
ladylumps
ladylumpsladylumpsDublin, Ireland105 Threads 4 Polls 9,454 Posts
I dont know girl I give up trying to understand how the males brain works I really have but dont settle for anything less than what is perfect for you.teddybear
Sep 5, 2008 6:12 PM CST A Clue?
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
tallaght_guy: well i think we all need that x factor for relations to last
not quite sure what he means by your character???
is it possible hes in denial out of some guilt from past ?? anyone who spends that much time and effort on long distance relationship would be in love i would think
then again never ben in love myself though at times i thought i had so maybe im wrong one to give advice


Thats the tricky thing with love, don't we all BELIEVE that we are 'in love' at that time, even though we realize later that it was a mistake? time is very important to me, we have 27,000 days from birth to death without incidnents so it means a lot to me.....................thank you sir for your time.bouquet tRrose
Sep 5, 2008 6:14 PM CST A Clue?
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
ladylumps: I dont know girl I give up trying to understand how the males brain works I really have but dont settle for anything less than what is perfect for you.


Oh double L, you are correct but a person knows what they want, I don't want to settle, seriously he is everything but the 'in love' part, I need that though, so settling is what I would do I think, damn he is everything except for that, thank you for you time lady Lbouquet
Sep 5, 2008 6:18 PM CST A Clue?
jampet
jampetjampetwexford, Wexford Ireland28 Threads 1 Polls 2,549 Posts
irishlass45: Been loyal to this Englishman since november, it is going very good, really good, with one exception. That being is this: very odd here now ok? would you expect any different from me? I think not. I came here in April and now I am back in August second visit he even went to Ireland with me in May, we get along very well, we respect each other, and I honestly do believe he loves me, he showers me like I am gold with all things in life, the problem is this, I want my man to be in love with me, he says it has been twenty five years since he was "IN LOVE" that if I were to go back to that place(where he fell in love years ago) maybe he would be "IN LOVE" with me, he calls it childish and says I am never going to be satisfied.......................am I being selfish to want it all? I love my family and my friends but I am not in love with them, there is a difference, and sadly this is going to hold me back I am afraid, I want it all, I want to be loved and I want my man to be IN LOVE with me, am I wrong? we could be good, very good companions in life, this I know but....................the one factor is missing out of my formula and that means a lot. He has even went so far as to let it slip he is in love with my character and that is what he fell for to start with,,,,am confused, am I being childish wanting this? or should I settle? I don't think I can to be honest. Nice replies are welcomed otherwise don't comment please. tR


R hiwave am chatting to someone right now wink so can't speak too long, but will give it some thought tonight and get back to you either here or in email. my initial thoughts though- he obviously reallllly likes you- maybe he is afraid- he is hanging onto something from 25 years ago and you are the first person that has made him think' hey, maybe it's time to let go of those 25 years of thinking there was noone else' - pretty scary thought eh?hug
Sep 5, 2008 6:26 PM CST A Clue?
Marylyn
MarylynMarylyndublin, Dublin Ireland29 Posts
ladylumps: I dont know girl I give up trying to understand how the males brain works I really have but dont settle for anything less than what is perfect for you.

What she said...

But.....

The fact that you have posted this answers your own question. X
Sep 5, 2008 6:31 PM CST A Clue?
adrianne
adrianneadriannelimerick, Limerick Ireland6 Posts
Hi,

i gave up trying to understand the male mind. I think we all want the happy every after but I do think men are genuinely scared to commit.

Now I am speaking from my own experience, but I do believe that by being yourself you will eventually get what you are looking for .

I wish you all the best and I hope you will eventually find what you are looking for.
I am a firm believer if its meant to be it will happen, and no you are not being selfish by wanting it all, lifes short and even shorter in the wrong company, so be bold be wild and always be you, xxcomfort
Sep 5, 2008 6:53 PM CST A Clue?
Crystal29
Crystal29Crystal29Glasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK35 Threads 8,448 Posts
Hi Ramona....well I know what you mean cos I would want my man to be in love with me too and I dont think thats too much to expect when you are in a serious relationship so no I dont think you are wrong....you know what you want so dont settle for anything less or it will rear its ugly head again in the future imo


hug
Sep 7, 2008 10:53 AM CST A Clue?
Dasati
DasatiDasatiEnnis, Clare Ireland12 Threads 103 Posts
irishlass45: Been loyal to this Englishman since november, it is going very good, really good, with one exception. That being is this: very odd here now ok? would you expect any different from me? I think not. I came here in April and now I am back in August second visit he even went to Ireland with me in May, we get along very well, we respect each other, and I honestly do believe he loves me, he showers me like I am gold with all things in life, the problem is this, I want my man to be in love with me, he says it has been twenty five years since he was "IN LOVE" that if I were to go back to that place(where he fell in love years ago) maybe he would be "IN LOVE" with me, he calls it childish and says I am never going to be satisfied.......................am I being selfish to want it all? I love my family and my friends but I am not in love with them, there is a difference, and sadly this is going to hold me back I am afraid, I want it all, I want to be loved and I want my man to be IN LOVE with me, am I wrong? we could be good, very good companions in life, this I know but....................the one factor is missing out of my formula and that means a lot. He has even went so far as to let it slip he is in love with my character and that is what he fell for to start with,,,,am confused, am I being childish wanting this? or should I settle? I don't think I can to be honest. Nice replies are welcomed otherwise don't comment please. tR


Howdi. You know I read this late on Friday night and had some thoughts on it but didnt comment at the time. The first reaction was a definite case of some people just cannot be happy with what they have.

Looking at this again, all I would say is that you are very lucky to have this bloke in your life and you should stop looking for a negative and just enjoy every moment you have together. Life is way too short not to.

So embrace what you have and forget about this need to hear the words "in love". Because that is all they are. Just words. It is only the actions of a person that will tell you if they are in love with you or not.

I hope you both have a great life.
Sep 7, 2008 2:08 PM CST A Clue?
good point dassati
though most women i think need to hear it where us men tend to think if we show it thats enough my innitial feeling on subject which i posted was that he was hurt in past relationship and afraid to open up
only thing that puzzeled me was wtf did he mean by in love with character that one still beats me
Sep 8, 2008 5:04 PM CST A Clue?
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
I thank ya'll for your help and input, really for taking the time out, it did help knowing others care, I have done some research on this matter of "Being in love" and nobody seems to know, wtf! so it left me thinking that it is a personal feeling of how one feels, and how they share those feelings, I have found one article of interest that might come close to it so here it goes and only read when you have time as this is very interesting for those of us that don't know what the other is thinking when we want them to be in love with us:


How do we "know" when we've found love.....how do we define this emotion that we would trudge over mountains to reach? We even sometimes trash perfectly good relationships in the hopes of finding more of it. Some people even spend the majority of their time thinking about, striving-praying-hoping for and yes, even seeing psychics for predictions of when it will FINALLY be their turn at the love wheel.

After having spent years helping people decipher their relationships, I've decided the best way to understand love is to break it down into small, more manageable parts and examine the components of what it is we are all so desperately seeking.

Let's begin with the question of "How do we know for certain that we have it?" Is it when we experience that initial rush of lust and excitement, the butterflies-in-our-stomach feeling that happens just at the mere sound of our lover's voice? But alas, we know that can't be it as that feeling never seems to last very long. Then we wonder, when that feeling ends, are we out of love?

If not, then why does this great feeling have to end? Have we quit trying; quit putting in the effort to keep the energy positive in our relationships? Or, is love a little like everything else in our lives and it's supposed to relax into a nice comfortable place for us to be. A place that while secure and safe no longer seems to be supplying those initial feelings that we have become so addicted to.


Does love grow with age and change with maturity much the same as we do? Or, should it always leave us wanting more? Many people would opt for the latter.

I believe that in a "perfect" world we would find our "soul mate" and fall helplessly in love with them and always be absolutely certain that he or she is the ideal person that perfectly compliments our life. Unfortunately, this isn’t a perfect world.

So what then? Do we settle? And if we do settle for less than what we think is possible in a relationship, will we miss out on our soul mate? Would he or she have been the next person we met? You know what I'm talking about, the "what if" game.....what if I'd waited for the next person...what if I settled for something less than what I could have had....what if I'm not "in love" with the person I'm with, but rather I just love them...you know the "like a brother or sister" thing.

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Sep 8, 2008 5:06 PM CST A Clue?
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
Yet on the other hand, if we don't settle we worry that we will let someone leave our lives that possibly were meant to be our partner, but simply failed to either set off the fireworks we had expected, or the fireworks stopped all too sudden?

Think back to your first "real" love; the one that made you feel complete and whole just being in their presence. The one that you never questioned was the right one for you because you simply "knew" they were. Very likely this is the one who started this whole fireworks thing. This is the one who set our expectations so high.


I do believe that our first real love is always the most potent. It consumes us and everything else in its way, and it is G-L-O-R-I-O-U-S........no doubt about it. Yet with it usually comes that first heartache, and how gut-wrenching and life consuming is that? This is the time that I believe is the beginning of the end of our loving in a natural and unencumbered way.


This first heartbreak changes us. We, at the very core of ourselves have just experienced something so deeply profound through this experience that we can't help but become altered to one degree or another. When you think about, it's not really that different than any other life experience, in that we are changed in the end because of having experienced it all.
Sep 8, 2008 5:06 PM CST A Clue?
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
So as we continue to look for that same feeling in a new love, we can't find it because the way in which we give and receive love has been altered permanently. I believe that even if the "perfect" person were to stumble upon us, we couldn't love them like we loved the first time, because we are now different people, who love in a very different way.


Does that mean we love our new love any less? I don't believe so. We just love them differently. Just because it doesn't feel as powerful, doesn't mean it isn't. Perhaps through the wisdom of our first love we learn that we would rather love long-ly, than completely. And perhaps we are more hesitant in the beginning, and we can't be as vulnerable and open as we were with the first love, which means we can't feel the same intensity as we did then. It's just no longer coded within us.

I believe that the earth is constructed as a wonderful teaching planet precisely because of the emotional range that is possible here; thus, through experience and maturity our emotional range changes too. Not because we want it to necessarily, but because it also ages and matures with our experiences.

So we have to learn that our definition of love has changed, and we must adjust our previous thoughts of how love would feel in order to ever really love someone again.

As far as holding out for that perfect person goes, I don't really believe that there is only one perfect person, one "soul mate" so to speak. Instead, I believe there are many potential people who will enter our lives that we may choose to love and build a relationship with, but it is always up to us if we do so. Fate and Destiny will provide the opportunity, perhaps even the initial encounter, but the outcome is always our choice.

The idea of a "soul mate" coming to rescue us from our hum-drum life is tempting and exciting, but doubtful at best. Besides who wants to be rescued from their life, their lessons and their growth? What kind of life would that be?


I also believe that at when you leave your current relationship in search of this perfect other, that you very well will come across another one. In fact, I believe there is always someone else out there for you. But don't fool yourself; everyone comes with their own karma, strengths and weaknesses. We all have a little baggage in tow. No one is really your White Knight unless you believe that they are.

Yet at the same time, I know that if you stay with someone simply for security and familiarity, then you may always feel like you have settled for less than what you could have had. And in all reality, you may have. But I know for certain that if you feel like you have settled, then you will live the rest of your life feeling like you have settled, and that's no way to live.

My idea of a "good" relationship is one in which it begins by your loving each other. Too many people pick apart their love by trying to categorize it or by constantly internally questioning am I "in love" or do I just love them? My belief is that if you love someone, then you love them.....period.

......................................sorry but all of this must be said
Sep 8, 2008 5:07 PM CST A Clue?
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
The fancy whistles and lights are so much less than they are cracked up to be, and in truth, are probably nothing more than your hormones going a little wacky. And that won't last, this we know for sure. In fact, if those initial feelings did last, I think it would eventually kill us all. Our bodies aren't equipped to handle so much adrenaline for very long. Or, at the very least we would completely burn out on the thought of being in love, as the burden of always be overwhelmed and out-of-control would be far too much for anyone to carry.

In my opinion, a good relationship is comprised of a few very simple ingredients. Those being as follows; I believe if you love someone, if you respect them as a human being and how they try to live their lives, if when you think of "home" you think of them.....and as Dr. Phil might say, when you need a soft place to fall, you know they'll try their best to be that for you. Then, you just might be onto something valuable.

I believe love grows more full bodied (no pun intended) and deeply soulful with age. And that a love that can endure hardships of any kind and keep on running, even when you are not diligently steering the wheel, is a good love.

While we are here on this earth we need someone to help us through our difficult times, and so many loves fall apart during those very times. So when you find one that doesn't, you just might want to hang onto it.

Love is a state of mind. It is a commitment you make to always try to love that person, regardless of whether they are experiencing their high times or their low. It is as strong as steel, as reliable as the setting sun, and as deeply responsive as you choose to make it. It is special, a gift and a blessing.

Yet with all that said, love does end sometimes. I believe that divorce is not always the only option, but sometimes it is necessary. I believe there are times that we are put here to be with a certain person, but only for a while. Then, when the lesson they have come to teach us is learned, or the karma repaid, we may need to move on. Only you can know this, but try to be honest with yourself. Don't allow yourself to upset the apple cart just because the grass may be greener somewhere else. Quite often that's only an illusion anyway.


I have found that when divorce is really necessary, I know it. I don't think it or have to debate it....I KNOW the relationship is over because I don't love that person any more. I care for them and wish them the very best in life, but I can feel with absolute certainty that it's time to move on. I believe love is honest in that way.

I've found that the lasting loves are the ones that just keep on going and allow you to focus on other goals and areas of learning, while remaining deeply supportive and protective.
Sep 8, 2008 5:50 PM CST A Clue?
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
tallaght_guy: good point dassati
though most women i think need to hear it where us men tend to think if we show it thats enough my innitial feeling on subject which i posted was that he was hurt in past relationship and afraid to open up
only thing that puzzeled me was wtf did he mean by in love with character that one still beats me


You are correct, most of us women want to hear it, maybe even go as far as to say "need" to hear it. Character is what and who you are, from your attitude to your beliefs and that includes morals, ethics, values, standards, ideas, etc. Thanks for your input guy, for one to not to have ever been in love you certainly seem to know of it.rose
Sep 9, 2008 2:48 AM CST A Clue?
hi irishlass
well then cant see how hes not in love with you if he loves all that makes you who you are seems a bit of a case of semantics to meconfused
as for not being in love but knowing well smart enough to listen to other views might come in handy when i get the inevitable nothings wrong when you know there is and all you can do is goconfused dunno doh
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