britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown (20)

Feb 2, 2009 2:36 PM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
wedward
wedwardwedwardlinz, Upper Austria Austria680 Threads 7,252 Posts
as london grinds to a halt under 27cm of snow workers strike saying british jobs for british people first. My question is this in any country should preference be give to native people qualified to do the job over people from outside the country .Please assume a level playing field on pay for this question
Feb 2, 2009 2:38 PM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
wedward
wedwardwedwardlinz, Upper Austria Austria680 Threads 7,252 Posts
wedward: as london grinds to a halt under 27cm of snow workers strike saying british jobs for british people first. My question is this in any country should preference be give to native people qualified to do the job over people from outside the country .Please assume a level playing field on pay for this question
should read winter of discontent
Feb 2, 2009 3:43 PM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
hasagoodheart
hasagoodhearthasagoodheartGalway, Ireland23 Threads 410 Posts
The reasoned (and reasonable answer) is of course that giving preference for jobs "to locals" goes against the free trade principles upon which the EU is based.

But there is huge dissapointment that the EU has not created full employment. So watch out for more of these (unreasonable ?)protests in countries which are moving from low to high unemployment. eu
Feb 2, 2009 4:53 PM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
hasagoodheart: The reasoned (and reasonable answer) is of course that giving preference for jobs "to locals" goes against the free trade principles upon which the EU is based.

But there is huge dissapointment that the EU has not created full employment. So watch out for more of these (unreasonable ?)protests in countries which are moving from low to high unemployment.
But that's just it.
Politicians are lying through their Teeth when they claim they're able to create Jobs.
At best they can create a Climate which is conducive to Job Creation by Private Industry.
Something those Socialists in Brussels have never known,and the Politicians in the USA are rapidly forgetting.mumbling
Feb 3, 2009 5:00 AM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
Conrad73: But that's just it.
Politicians are lying through their Teeth when they claim they're able to create Jobs.
At best they can create a Climate which is conducive to Job Creation by Private Industry.
Something those Socialists in Brussels have never known,and the Politicians in the USA are rapidly forgetting.


Hmmm....

I think that Socialists (real ones) are interested in finding ways of creating employment and Private Industry (if it's doing its job) is interested in creating profit. A mutual interest pact between these two is what makes the world work but the underlying interests are not the same.
Feb 3, 2009 5:04 AM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
markizamkd25
markizamkd25markizamkd25Skive, Central Jutland Denmark235 Threads 5 Polls 4,706 Posts
its should be middle class riot,no mether what race or religion...but usually we always attack and blame outsiders..in this case emigrants who also pay tax to goverment and rich people make even reacher....so its time for Revolution i guess...Workers of all countries,unite or "Proletarians of all countries, unite! one of the most famous rallying cries of communism, comes from Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels's The Communist Manifesto.
Feb 3, 2009 5:18 AM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
markizamkd25: its should be middle class riot,no mether what race or religion...but usually we always attack and blame outsiders..in this case emigrants who also pay tax to goverment and rich people make even reacher....so its time for Revolution i guess...Workers of all countries,unite or "Proletarians of all countries, unite! one of the most famous rallying cries of communism, comes from Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels's The Communist Manifesto.


A lot of this hatred is stirred deliberately to stop people from focussing on the real underlying issues.
Feb 3, 2009 5:30 AM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
Fallingman: Hmmm....

I think that Socialists (real ones) are interested in finding ways of creating employment and Private Industry (if it's doing its job) is interested in creating profit. A mutual interest pact between these two is what makes the world work but the underlying interests are not the same.
That Will Be The Day! "The Duke" (John Wayne)rolling on the floor laughing
Feb 3, 2009 6:15 AM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
wedward
wedwardwedwardlinz, Upper Austria Austria680 Threads 7,252 Posts
my opinion is that politions all lie the world economy is in freefll i think it will effect every country in the world and i think we are heading for a deppresion, and most countries will become protective and give jobs to its own people,
Feb 3, 2009 7:08 AM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
markizamkd25
markizamkd25markizamkd25Skive, Central Jutland Denmark235 Threads 5 Polls 4,706 Posts
wedward: my opinion is that politions all lie the world economy is in freefll i think it will effect every country in the world and i think we are heading for a deppresion, and most countries will become protective and give jobs to its own people,
We dont have what to give laugh when we will reach EU bottom line that will be progress for us .....still to go laugh
Feb 4, 2009 7:45 AM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
markizamkd25: We dont have what to give when we will reach EU bottom line that will be progress for us .....still to go


They might confiscate your large apple! laugh wave
Feb 4, 2009 11:14 AM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
markizamkd25
markizamkd25markizamkd25Skive, Central Jutland Denmark235 Threads 5 Polls 4,706 Posts
Ill be homeless than.....and its Tomato uh oh
Feb 4, 2009 11:14 AM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
markizamkd25
markizamkd25markizamkd25Skive, Central Jutland Denmark235 Threads 5 Polls 4,706 Posts
Ill be homeless than.....and its Tomato uh oh
Feb 4, 2009 12:20 PM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
markizamkd25: its should be middle class riot,no mether what race or religion...but usually we always attack and blame outsiders..in this case emigrants who also pay tax to goverment and rich people make even reacher....so its time for Revolution i guess...Workers of all countries,unite or "Proletarians of all countries, unite! one of the most famous rallying cries of communism, comes from Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels's The Communist Manifesto.


But look where all that revolutionary rhetoric got the countries that actually did go communist(France included).

It's one thing to talk about égalité, fraternité, liberté, etc. And it's fairly easy to stir up people to revolution.
But when such revolutions actually occur, all you ever get afterwards is an enormous dictatorship and an economy that doesn't work at all.

Personally I have no faith in ideological mass movements of any kind. I prefer grassroots enterprise and local capitalism.

And with that in mind, yes I think that nations should indeed prefer their own citizens for aid and jobs. Otherwise all nations will be drawn down to a "least common denominator".

There is always going to be injustice no matter how things are organized. It's better if the injustice works toward strengthening the local economy rather than weakening it.

A nation with a healthy economy can do good things for the world.
A nation that opens itself up to be pillaged will not be able to do any good. It will find itself torn apart.
Feb 4, 2009 1:34 PM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
markizamkd25: its should be a middle class riot, no mether what race or religion...but usually we always attack and blame outsiders..in this case emigrants who also pay tax to goverment and rich people make even richer....so its time for Revolution I guess...Workers of all countries,unite or "Proletarians of all countries, unite! one of the most famous rallying cries of communism, comes from Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels's The Communist Manifesto.


But look where revolution got the countries that actually did go communist( I'll include France in that group because although it has never been called "communism", that's what it amounts to).

It's one thing to cry out for "liberté, égalité, fraternité," and to stir people up to violence against a corrupt government.

But once the dust settles, all that remains is an enormous extremely inefficient bureaucracy and a dead economy.

The "dictatorship of the proletariat" makes everybody into a proletariat. (except leaders of the winning party, of course. They are the new aristocracy.
Once in place, socialism is nothing but feudalism in drab disguise.

In the anonymity of a big socialist economy, every single bureaucrat has his hand in the kitty.
They begin to think it's part of the job.

In a one-pot system the pot is always empty.

And with that knowledge in mind, yes, I think that nations should indeed prefer their own citizens over immigrants for aid.

Not out of racial or ethnic preference but just because it keeps things local, prevents devastating migrations and works against the "one-pot" system than never ever works.
Feb 4, 2009 1:43 PM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
markizamkd25: We dont have what to give when we will reach EU bottom line that will be progress for us .....still to go


You're better off keeping your tomato, and your independence.

Europe would open you up to mass immigration by the poorest workers and would hurt your economy more than it helps.

In a few years they'd have two families living in your tomato with you.

Stay free.
Feb 4, 2009 1:46 PM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
javid1964
javid1964javid1964rasht, Iran20 Threads 10 Polls 242 Posts
Fallingman: They might confiscate your large apple!


a large apple with a large hole in itlaugh
Feb 4, 2009 1:51 PM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
javid1964
javid1964javid1964rasht, Iran20 Threads 10 Polls 242 Posts
I think the economy is the result of GREED , we eat more you go hungry who cares attitude..
and tornados , snow , storms etc , are acts of Godprofessor
Feb 4, 2009 1:54 PM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
javid1964: a large apple with a large hole in it


Yes, and look how happy that worm is.
Feb 4, 2009 1:55 PM CST britain is the the witer of discotent for gordon brown
markizamkd25
markizamkd25markizamkd25Skive, Central Jutland Denmark235 Threads 5 Polls 4,706 Posts
RayfromUSA: Yes, and look how happy that worm is.
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing parasites are always happy
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