A Place to hunt in 2009 (18)
zee1ander: I ham fairly new to the Louisville area. Moved here in August 2008 from maysville Kentucky. Now I am in need of permission to hunt some property. I follow all your rules and do my best to exceed them.
Zee
Zee
Lots of lookers, but no offers as of yet.... still holding out hope.
zee
zee1ander: Lots of lookers, but no offers as of yet.... still holding out hope.
zee
zee
Might help to post what (or whom) exactly it is you're hunting for. Many here are 'skeert' to come out and will just take a peek and not bother.
YouMeUs: Might help to post what (or whom) exactly it is you're hunting for. Many here are 'skeert' to come out and will just take a peek and not bother.
Deer mainly, but also turkey, hog, duck, geese, anything (or one) you want removed.
zee
zee1ander: Deer mainly, but also turkey, hog, duck, geese, anything (or one) you want removed.
zee
zee
There's quite a few deer around here but very few come around my property. Can't say if the neighbors would allow hunting on their lands due to their live stock but, there are some areas more remote where deer are around. From your list, you're into game for food and not for sport, so I guess coyote, mountain lion, bobcat and bear are out? Yep, got a few of them around here as well.
There is a psycho chick here in the hood that some would like removed...but I wouldn't want to subjugate you to such brutal and unusual punishment.
YouMeUs: There's quite a few deer around here but very few come around my property. Can't say if the neighbors would allow hunting on their lands due to their live stock but, there are some areas more remote where deer are around. From your list, you're into game for food and not for sport, so I guess coyote, mountain lion, bobcat and bear are out? Yep, got a few of them around here as well.
There is a psycho chick here in the hood that some would like removed...but I wouldn't want to subjugate you to such brutal and unusual punishment.
There is a psycho chick here in the hood that some would like removed...but I wouldn't want to subjugate you to such brutal and unusual punishment.
Are you talking about dating her?
I am mainly a Bow hunter. I took a deer a couple years ago with my rifle at about 600 meters.... bow is more challenging.
zee
zee1ander: Are you talking about dating her?
I am mainly a Bow hunter. I took a deer a couple years ago with my rifle at about 600 meters.... bow is more challenging.
zee
I am mainly a Bow hunter. I took a deer a couple years ago with my rifle at about 600 meters.... bow is more challenging.
zee
Well, she is available and she had asked a neighbor to ask me if I'd want to go on a date with her--I respectfully declined the offer. Just passing the hat if you're interested in her, but I did warn ya.
That's a good distance with a rifle, BTW.
Jim
Hey zee, if you're interested in hunting elk, go to fw.ky.gov to apply for an application. They are issuing only 1000 permits and the deadline is April 30. Costs $10, so you may want to hurry. This is only for the 2009 season. Good luck.
Jim
Jim
zee1ander: Are you talking about dating her?
I am mainly a Bow hunter. I took a deer a couple years ago with my rifle at about 600 meters.... bow is more challenging.
zee
I am mainly a Bow hunter. I took a deer a couple years ago with my rifle at about 600 meters.... bow is more challenging.
zee
Shooting on a deer from 600 meters is not hunting. It is pure murder and real hunter wont do this. What chance has a game to feel you and run to save her life? Or how many deers you hurt and they later die suffering the worst pains before you kill one at place?
Having rifle in hands means responsibility because you are so superior that game has no chance and you can't walk through the forest like death and call yourself: Hunter.
If you wish to see if you can ( still ) hit on this distance use old can not alive creature even if it is "only" dear.
Bow is hunting. But, also, taking care about distance.
Steevyv: Shooting on a deer from 600 meters is not hunting. It is pure murder and real hunter wont do this. What chance has a game to feel you and run to save her life? Or how many deers you hurt and they later die suffering the worst pains before you kill one at place?
Having rifle in hands means responsibility because you are so superior that game has no chance and you can't walk through the forest like death and call yourself: Hunter.
If you wish to see if you can ( still ) hit on this distance use old can not alive creature even if it is "only" dear.
Bow is hunting. But, also, taking care about distance.
Having rifle in hands means responsibility because you are so superior that game has no chance and you can't walk through the forest like death and call yourself: Hunter.
If you wish to see if you can ( still ) hit on this distance use old can not alive creature even if it is "only" dear.
Bow is hunting. But, also, taking care about distance.
600 meter shot is just that, same a 30 meter shot. I have touched a few live deer as they have walked by not knowing I was there. I have had deer hunt me in the woods. There is nothing like freaking a deer out by giving it a push. I pass on a multitude of game each year because I hunt specific mature deer. I probably pass on more deer a year than you have seen in your lifetime. Long shots are reserved for thinning of herds. These deer are also donated to food banks for those less fortunate than myself. So, if you want to preach the rights and wrongs of hunting, you really need to know the hunter before you critique the method.
zee
zee1ander: 600 meter shot is just that, same a 30 meter shot. I have touched a few live deer as they have walked by not knowing I was there. I have had deer hunt me in the woods. There is nothing like freaking a deer out by giving it a push. I pass on a multitude of game each year because I hunt specific mature deer. I probably pass on more deer a year than you have seen in your lifetime. Long shots are reserved for thinning of herds. These deer are also donated to food banks for those less fortunate than myself. So, if you want to preach the rights and wrongs of hunting, you really need to know the hunter before you critique the method.
zee
Exactly. Hunting to put food on the table, to feed the hungry is not a crime and I support it. I disagree with hunting for sport, just for the kill and leave the carcass, however. And I know you're not that type of hunter, zee. Hope you get a 16 pointer...or better!zee
Jim
zee1ander: 600 meter shot is just that, same a 30 meter shot. I have touched a few live deer as they have walked by not knowing I was there. I have had deer hunt me in the woods. There is nothing like freaking a deer out by giving it a push. I pass on a multitude of game each year because I hunt specific mature deer. I probably pass on more deer a year than you have seen in your lifetime. Long shots are reserved for thinning of herds. These deer are also donated to food banks for those less fortunate than myself. So, if you want to preach the rights and wrongs of hunting, you really need to know the hunter before you critique the method.
zee
zee
I am European hunter. Nobody here shots deer on more than 200 meters.
We have limited distances for each game by law.
I know the hunter and "hunter" by his methods.
600 meters shot is not like 30 meters. It takes about one sec. for bullet to reach to the target. In this one sec deer can make one step and than what? Missed ( O.K.) or wounded (bad).
No, you have not touched deer passing nearby you or you have a very strange deers.
The fact that somebody gifts his prey doesn't means that he can shoot so far or maybe there can. Different places different
rules but surely is not ethic.
I don't know how in Kentucky you do tinning herds but we here must take care about: the age, gender,health and condition status and trophy characteristics of each animal.. Here you can't shoot what you wish when you wish. About 40% of quotas are calf, then 20 % aged 2 - 3 years, 15 % aged 4-6 years, 15 % aged 7 - 9 and 10 % mature older than 10 years. + or - til 20% of each class.
By gender it's 50/50
Health and condition status we check mostly in period: end of winter, early spring because then is easy visible how each animal has passed winter "exam". Is it "only the best remains" organism or not. But also are doing control through the year and if it is necessary than we do sanitary kill.
Here is hunting commercial activity and prices for deer trophy could be really high ( to the sky ). The most expensive deer I've seen was payed 70.000 $. For trophy. Normally prices are from 1000 - 5000 $ but stronger trophy can go to 20 - 30.000 $.
That is why we must take care when we do selection in younger classes what to took out and what to live in a population.
To see all this and not to make mistake hunter must be pretty close. And have a lot of knowledge and experience.
On the other hand we have very strong & serious controls by state inspectors. We must have noticed each kill and show all
trophies each year.
No you haven't seen ( yet )as much deers as I did. Not in your life. You haven't been born when I was already growing among them. But this is not your fault. I would like if you are old as I am and me as you, but I can only dream about that.
But, glad to make conversation with you.
Regards.
A trophy deer hunt in the US will only cost $3k-$5k US. Deer are so plentiful here it would make your head spin. There are never enough deer taken per state to even put a scratch in the population. In some states there is no limit on how many does a hunter can take during a season. Deer here breed like rabbits. You would not even believe how many deer are even killed by trains, let alone cars. there are stretches of roads here that pick up 10-30 deer carcasses a day from car deer accidents during breeding season. In Kentucky most people can fill all their tags in one day.
The laws here aren't even close to as restrictive in Europe. Here a 1000 yard short isn't common but I have seen video of it being done. I say a 600 meter shot is like a 30 meter shot, because, it is. So it takes a second for bullet flight, you time it right by patterning the deers movement and making decent calculations, you also need to be shooting the firearm.... it is easy as pie. The handload that I shoot covers that distance in about 2/3 of a second. I have never wounded a deer with a firearm. The farthest any deer has ever gone after being shot was about 50 yards and that is because it fell down a steep hill.
Not only have I touched live wild free range deer, but so have many of my friends. It is all in the preparation for the hunt. Yes the conditions have to be right and being in the right place at the right time is key. Having large deer herds doesn't hurt either. A lot of property owners in Kentucky work hard to manage their deer herds. I have talked with a few that try to take 10 does to every buck taken off their property. This way only the most dominant bucks will breed. A lot of the bucks that come off these properties at 5 years old will score into the 170+ with a body weight of over 200+ pounds. I have even seen deer that weighed in at over 300 pound in Michigan.
If you ever get the chance to hunt in the US... do it. You will be amazed at the number of deer. The further north you go the larger the body mass gets. You can feed a lot of homeless people on a Michigan deer and only a few less on a Kentucky deer.
zee
The laws here aren't even close to as restrictive in Europe. Here a 1000 yard short isn't common but I have seen video of it being done. I say a 600 meter shot is like a 30 meter shot, because, it is. So it takes a second for bullet flight, you time it right by patterning the deers movement and making decent calculations, you also need to be shooting the firearm.... it is easy as pie. The handload that I shoot covers that distance in about 2/3 of a second. I have never wounded a deer with a firearm. The farthest any deer has ever gone after being shot was about 50 yards and that is because it fell down a steep hill.
Not only have I touched live wild free range deer, but so have many of my friends. It is all in the preparation for the hunt. Yes the conditions have to be right and being in the right place at the right time is key. Having large deer herds doesn't hurt either. A lot of property owners in Kentucky work hard to manage their deer herds. I have talked with a few that try to take 10 does to every buck taken off their property. This way only the most dominant bucks will breed. A lot of the bucks that come off these properties at 5 years old will score into the 170+ with a body weight of over 200+ pounds. I have even seen deer that weighed in at over 300 pound in Michigan.
If you ever get the chance to hunt in the US... do it. You will be amazed at the number of deer. The further north you go the larger the body mass gets. You can feed a lot of homeless people on a Michigan deer and only a few less on a Kentucky deer.
zee
YouMeUs: Exactly. Hunting to put food on the table, to feed the hungry is not a crime and I support it. I disagree with hunting for sport, just for the kill and leave the carcass, however. And I know you're not that type of hunter, zee. Hope you get a 16 pointer...or better!
Jim
Jim
Thank you, but it is the meat I am after. As the old saying goes.... no matter how long you boil the horns they are still tough. I have enough trophies on the wall now. I have no place to put anymore. Maybe I need to buy a bigger house.
zee
zee1ander: Thank you, but it is the meat I am after. As the old saying goes.... no matter how long you boil the horns they are still tough. I have enough trophies on the wall now. I have no place to put anymore. Maybe I need to buy a bigger house.
zee
Yes, I know. I was using the 16p as a reference to the size and amount of meat the buck can yield.zee
Also, to support your saying you have actually reached out and touched a wild deer, I have also done the same. Whenever I go 4 wheeling up in the mountains for camping, I often take an acoustic guitar along. On several occasions while picking the axe, a doe would walk right up to me, sniff the guitar and allow me it pet her for a moment. The melodic sounds of the guitar can attract deer--although I would never do that for hunting purposes.
A trophy deer hunt in the US will only cost $3k-$5k US. Deer are so plentiful here it would make your head spin. There are never enough deer taken per state to even put a scratch in the population. In some states there is no limit on how many does a hunter can take during a season. Deer here breed like rabbits. You would not even believe how many deer are even killed by trains, let alone cars. there are stretches of roads here that pick up 10-30 deer carcasses a day from car deer accidents during breeding season. In Kentucky most people can fill all their tags in one day.
The laws here aren't even close to as restrictive in Europe. Here a 1000 yard short isn't common but I have seen video of it being done. I say a 600 meter shot is like a 30 meter shot, because, it is. So it takes a second for bullet flight, you time it right by patterning the deers movement and making decent calculations, you also need to be shooting the firearm.... it is easy as pie. The handload that I shoot covers that distance in about 2/3 of a second. I have never wounded a deer with a firearm. The farthest any deer has ever gone after being shot was about 50 yards and that is because it fell down a steep hill.
Not only have I touched live wild free range deer, but so have many of my friends. It is all in the preparation for the hunt. Yes the conditions have to be right and being in the right place at the right time is key. Having large deer herds doesn't hurt either. A lot of property owners in Kentucky work hard to manage their deer herds. I have talked with a few that try to take 10 does to every buck taken off their property. This way only the most dominant bucks will breed. A lot of the bucks that come off these properties at 5 years old will score into the 170+ with a body weight of over 200+ pounds. I have even seen deer that weighed in at over 300 pound in Michigan.
If you ever get the chance to hunt in the US... do it. You will be amazed at the number of deer. The further north you go the larger the body mass gets. You can feed a lot of homeless people on a Michigan deer and only a few less on a Kentucky deer.
zee[/quote
Well, I am a little bit confused. Are we talking about the same deer. In Europa we have deer species Cervus elaphus (L) that can weight, here in Croatia even 620 pounds or about 300 kilograms. I know that you in States have a very very similar Sikha deer. But, mature deer that has only 200 pounds? Here, ....female has so or more. Are we talking about the same game?
If you ever come in Europa don't shoot on deer over 200 meters. If you did you should be contempt. That's how we are.
I do believe to you that you have a plenty of deers, but would like to know how you than stand with great predators: wolfs, bobcat, mountain lions, bears, etc. Winters, relation with farmers .....
If you have so much prey must be wrong something with great predators, those who are at the top of the feeding pyramid and who are the most important for regulation of any population.
This is the problem that we have here and therefore we are trying to substitute big predators by us hunters but from my experience.... this is not it.
Regards,
Stevo
The laws here aren't even close to as restrictive in Europe. Here a 1000 yard short isn't common but I have seen video of it being done. I say a 600 meter shot is like a 30 meter shot, because, it is. So it takes a second for bullet flight, you time it right by patterning the deers movement and making decent calculations, you also need to be shooting the firearm.... it is easy as pie. The handload that I shoot covers that distance in about 2/3 of a second. I have never wounded a deer with a firearm. The farthest any deer has ever gone after being shot was about 50 yards and that is because it fell down a steep hill.
Not only have I touched live wild free range deer, but so have many of my friends. It is all in the preparation for the hunt. Yes the conditions have to be right and being in the right place at the right time is key. Having large deer herds doesn't hurt either. A lot of property owners in Kentucky work hard to manage their deer herds. I have talked with a few that try to take 10 does to every buck taken off their property. This way only the most dominant bucks will breed. A lot of the bucks that come off these properties at 5 years old will score into the 170+ with a body weight of over 200+ pounds. I have even seen deer that weighed in at over 300 pound in Michigan.
If you ever get the chance to hunt in the US... do it. You will be amazed at the number of deer. The further north you go the larger the body mass gets. You can feed a lot of homeless people on a Michigan deer and only a few less on a Kentucky deer.
zee[/quote
Well, I am a little bit confused. Are we talking about the same deer. In Europa we have deer species Cervus elaphus (L) that can weight, here in Croatia even 620 pounds or about 300 kilograms. I know that you in States have a very very similar Sikha deer. But, mature deer that has only 200 pounds? Here, ....female has so or more. Are we talking about the same game?
If you ever come in Europa don't shoot on deer over 200 meters. If you did you should be contempt. That's how we are.
I do believe to you that you have a plenty of deers, but would like to know how you than stand with great predators: wolfs, bobcat, mountain lions, bears, etc. Winters, relation with farmers .....
If you have so much prey must be wrong something with great predators, those who are at the top of the feeding pyramid and who are the most important for regulation of any population.
This is the problem that we have here and therefore we are trying to substitute big predators by us hunters but from my experience.... this is not it.
Regards,
Stevo
Steevyv: A trophy deer hunt in the US will only cost $3k-$5k US. Deer are so plentiful here it would make your head spin. There are never enough deer taken per state to even put a scratch in the population. In some states there is no limit on how many does a hunter can take during a season. Deer here breed like rabbits. You would not even believe how many deer are even killed by trains, let alone cars. there are stretches of roads here that pick up 10-30 deer carcasses a day from car deer accidents during breeding season. In Kentucky most people can fill all their tags in one day.
The laws here aren't even close to as restrictive in Europe. Here a 1000 yard short isn't common but I have seen video of it being done. I say a 600 meter shot is like a 30 meter shot, because, it is. So it takes a second for bullet flight, you time it right by patterning the deers movement and making decent calculations, you also need to be shooting the firearm.... it is easy as pie. The handload that I shoot covers that distance in about 2/3 of a second. I have never wounded a deer with a firearm. The farthest any deer has ever gone after being shot was about 50 yards and that is because it fell down a steep hill.
Not only have I touched live wild free range deer, but so have many of my friends. It is all in the preparation for the hunt. Yes the conditions have to be right and being in the right place at the right time is key. Having large deer herds doesn't hurt either. A lot of property owners in Kentucky work hard to manage their deer herds. I have talked with a few that try to take 10 does to every buck taken off their property. This way only the most dominant bucks will breed. A lot of the bucks that come off these properties at 5 years old will score into the 170+ with a body weight of over 200+ pounds. I have even seen deer that weighed in at over 300 pound in Michigan.
If you ever get the chance to hunt in the US... do it. You will be amazed at the number of deer. The further north you go the larger the body mass gets. You can feed a lot of homeless people on a Michigan deer and only a few less on a Kentucky deer.
zee[/quote
Well, I am a little bit confused. Are we talking about the same deer. In Europa we have deer species Cervus elaphus (L) that can weight, here in Croatia even 620 pounds or about 300 kilograms. I know that you in States have a very very similar Sikha deer. But, mature deer that has only 200 pounds? Here, ....female has so or more. Are we talking about the same game?
If you ever come in Europa don't shoot on deer over 200 meters. If you did you should be contempt. That's how we are.
I do believe to you that you have a plenty of deers, but would like to know how you than stand with great predators: wolfs, bobcat, mountain lions, bears, etc. Winters, relation with farmers .....
If you have so much prey must be wrong something with great predators, those who are at the top of the feeding pyramid and who are the most important for regulation of any population.
This is the problem that we have here and therefore we are trying to substitute big predators by us hunters but from my experience.... this is not it.
Regards,
Stevo
The laws here aren't even close to as restrictive in Europe. Here a 1000 yard short isn't common but I have seen video of it being done. I say a 600 meter shot is like a 30 meter shot, because, it is. So it takes a second for bullet flight, you time it right by patterning the deers movement and making decent calculations, you also need to be shooting the firearm.... it is easy as pie. The handload that I shoot covers that distance in about 2/3 of a second. I have never wounded a deer with a firearm. The farthest any deer has ever gone after being shot was about 50 yards and that is because it fell down a steep hill.
Not only have I touched live wild free range deer, but so have many of my friends. It is all in the preparation for the hunt. Yes the conditions have to be right and being in the right place at the right time is key. Having large deer herds doesn't hurt either. A lot of property owners in Kentucky work hard to manage their deer herds. I have talked with a few that try to take 10 does to every buck taken off their property. This way only the most dominant bucks will breed. A lot of the bucks that come off these properties at 5 years old will score into the 170+ with a body weight of over 200+ pounds. I have even seen deer that weighed in at over 300 pound in Michigan.
If you ever get the chance to hunt in the US... do it. You will be amazed at the number of deer. The further north you go the larger the body mass gets. You can feed a lot of homeless people on a Michigan deer and only a few less on a Kentucky deer.
zee[/quote
Well, I am a little bit confused. Are we talking about the same deer. In Europa we have deer species Cervus elaphus (L) that can weight, here in Croatia even 620 pounds or about 300 kilograms. I know that you in States have a very very similar Sikha deer. But, mature deer that has only 200 pounds? Here, ....female has so or more. Are we talking about the same game?
If you ever come in Europa don't shoot on deer over 200 meters. If you did you should be contempt. That's how we are.
I do believe to you that you have a plenty of deers, but would like to know how you than stand with great predators: wolfs, bobcat, mountain lions, bears, etc. Winters, relation with farmers .....
If you have so much prey must be wrong something with great predators, those who are at the top of the feeding pyramid and who are the most important for regulation of any population.
This is the problem that we have here and therefore we are trying to substitute big predators by us hunters but from my experience.... this is not it.
Regards,
Stevo
You are talking about Red Deer or Elk. Elk are a totally different animal here. I am talking whitetail deer. This might be part of our miscommunication. Elk here can grow as large as 1300 pounds or 600 Kg.
The predator population here is low. Ranchers tend to kill the predators because cattle are much easier prey that a wild elk or deer. So man is used as the predator to keep populations in check.
zee
zee1ander: You are talking about Red Deer or Elk. Elk are a totally different animal here. I am talking whitetail deer. This might be part of our miscommunication. Elk here can grow as large as 1300 pounds or 600 Kg.
The predator population here is low. Ranchers tend to kill the predators because cattle are much easier prey that a wild elk or deer. So man is used as the predator to keep populations in check.
zee
The predator population here is low. Ranchers tend to kill the predators because cattle are much easier prey that a wild elk or deer. So man is used as the predator to keep populations in check.
zee
Hi,
however, I almost don't hunt with fire arms at all. I was never easy on a trigger and I never shat with no reason ( my own rule: Newer took from Nature what you don't need even if it is offered to you. Live it where it is, maybe you will needed it another day ), but after my experience from this war here in ex Yugoslavia in which I spend 4,5 years in a trenches on a first line , I don't like to shoot in anything alive no more. From time to time I hunt snipes or in winter wild boars, probably because that are very difficult hunts with rare shooting but even than I shoot very rarely.
But because I cant live two days without being in a forest or field I have found myself another companions. Golden eagles, falcons, hawks.
Have you ever tried this hunt?
Regards,
Stevo
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