Capital Punishment (203)
Nick_24: Hiya sxc how are ya?
Morning Nick. I am good. I'm just getting some jars ready.....,I have some pickling to do 
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Tamarin: It seems to be the answer to many of the US problems whether it is criminals or the problems in the Middle East....I quote you,
'kill em.'
Who has the right to say a human is a degenerate or not.....
'kill em.'
Who has the right to say a human is a degenerate or not.....
Well when a man tortures and rapes a 5 yr old girl, safe to say he's a degenerate.
When a serial killer kills 34 people and eats part of them...degenerate
When a gang banger kills a store clerk as his iniation into that gang...degenerate
if you disagree im sorry. and your right i was military so i love the sayin..."kill'em all and let god sort'em out"
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sxc666: Morning Nick. I am good. I'm just getting some jars ready.....,I have some pickling to do
Well im glad im no where near those jars
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Watch "The Life of David Gale" with Kevin Spacey and Kate Winslet.
He was facing the death penalty for a crime he didn't commit and decided to be a "crusader" to show how the system often fails. But in order to prove this he had to lose his life....
How ultimately altruistic is that?
Brilliant movie!!
He was facing the death penalty for a crime he didn't commit and decided to be a "crusader" to show how the system often fails. But in order to prove this he had to lose his life....
How ultimately altruistic is that?
Brilliant movie!!
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roseofsharon: Watch "The Life of David Gale" with Kevin Spacey and Kate Winslet.
He was facing the death penalty for a crime he didn't commit and decided to be a "crusader" to show how the system often fails. But in order to prove this he had to lose his life....
How ultimately altruistic is that?
Brilliant movie!!
He was facing the death penalty for a crime he didn't commit and decided to be a "crusader" to show how the system often fails. But in order to prove this he had to lose his life....
How ultimately altruistic is that?
Brilliant movie!!
Your right the systems fails on occasion, but it kills the guilty a lot more then the innocent.
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Nick_24: Your right the systems fails on occasion, but it kills the guilty a lot more then the innocent.
Well, that's okay then!
That's No. 1 of my original post tackled.... give me Nos. 2 and 3 then...?
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Nick_24: Your right the systems fails on occasion, but it kills the guilty a lot more then the innocent.
Ok Nick and this is the crux of the matter for me.
What is an acceptable level of Innocent deaths........
1%
5%
10%
Is there any acceptable level ?
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roseofsharon: Watch "The Life of David Gale" with Kevin Spacey and Kate Winslet.
He was facing the death penalty for a crime he didn't commit and decided to be a "crusader" to show how the system often fails. But in order to prove this he had to lose his life....
How ultimately altruistic is that?
Brilliant movie!!
He was facing the death penalty for a crime he didn't commit and decided to be a "crusader" to show how the system often fails. But in order to prove this he had to lose his life....
How ultimately altruistic is that?
Brilliant movie!!
Brilliant film Sharon............
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vinny1967: Ok Nick and this is the crux of the matter for me.
What is an acceptable level of Innocent deaths........
1%
5%
10%
Is there any acceptable level ?
What is an acceptable level of Innocent deaths........
1%
5%
10%
Is there any acceptable level ?
Indeed!!!
Even ONE life is one too many? 
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vinny1967: Ok Nick and this is the crux of the matter for me.
What is an acceptable level of Innocent deaths........
1%
5%
10%
Is there any acceptable level ?
What is an acceptable level of Innocent deaths........
1%
5%
10%
Is there any acceptable level ?
I admit, it is horrible when an innocent person dies, but honestly, more guilty people then innocent are executed. an acceptable percentage...well id say whatever its at right now. I care if a person is guilty or not but im not willing to waste my money paying for these criminals to live in luxury on the off chance that a choice few may be innocent still even after ALL the appeals are through. Am i a bad person for this way of thinking? i might be but i also realize that no system is perfect and it certainly better then to pay to keep them all alive.
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Nick_24: I admit, it is horrible when an innocent person dies, but honestly, more guilty people then innocent are executed. an acceptable percentage...well id say whatever its at right now. I care if a person is guilty or not but im not willing to waste my money paying for these criminals to live in luxury on the off chance that a choice few may be innocent still even after ALL the appeals are through. Am i a bad person for this way of thinking? i might be but i also realize that no system is perfect and it certainly better then to pay to keep them all alive.
A couple of people reprted earlier in the Thread that the appeal process that are available to Death row inmates is actually more expensive than incarceration for life.......
That being the case if there was no capital punishment the extra resources could be put into Police Departments and may cause the felonies to be reduced..........
I just wonder how people would actually feel if the innocent person that was executed was their partner, brother, child.
I think people may change their opinion ver quickly from being an acceptable casualty in the war against crime.......
JMO
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roseofsharon: Indeed!!! Even ONE life is one too many? Its simply something you can NEVER put right......
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roseofsharon: I have seen "Fitna" which includes a beheading, of course.... it was touch and go as to whether I could watch it all the way through!
No, I don't agree with the death penalty.
1. There have been people whereby even though all the odds have been stacked in favour of them being guilty (the only example I can think of now off the top of my head is Timothy Evans - found guilty of the murders committed by John Christie, though I am in no doubt there are many more) were, in fact..... INNOCENT!!
2. If any of us are to maintain the moral high ground, we must not take a life. Following "due process" is simply a way of legalising exactly the same crime the accused (found guilty? see above). One can justify anything if one really has a mind to.
3. It simply serves to satisfy the "blood-lust" element of the human condition, if you like (its in pretty much all of us, it just depends to what degree?). Maintaining its legal/justice/right/
deserved is merely a way of justifying, yet again..... see above.
That said, if the criminal IS to be incarcerated at the tax payer's expense, it should NOT be in the form of lavishing in a bloody holiday camp!!
No, I don't agree with the death penalty.
1. There have been people whereby even though all the odds have been stacked in favour of them being guilty (the only example I can think of now off the top of my head is Timothy Evans - found guilty of the murders committed by John Christie, though I am in no doubt there are many more) were, in fact..... INNOCENT!!
2. If any of us are to maintain the moral high ground, we must not take a life. Following "due process" is simply a way of legalising exactly the same crime the accused (found guilty? see above). One can justify anything if one really has a mind to.
3. It simply serves to satisfy the "blood-lust" element of the human condition, if you like (its in pretty much all of us, it just depends to what degree?). Maintaining its legal/justice/right/
deserved is merely a way of justifying, yet again..... see above.
That said, if the criminal IS to be incarcerated at the tax payer's expense, it should NOT be in the form of lavishing in a bloody holiday camp!!
Sorry..... forgot No. 4!!
4. The death penalty is actually an easy way out for the ciminal. Over.... done and dusted, no further pain, suffering, etc. I do believe that a criminal should be made to pay, in the strongest terms, for their crime. No outside contact, no TV, games, just a bed, bucket and a very basic meal a day, hard labour. They would also have time to reflect on what they had done and atone for it. What does taking their life prove to them? A lot probably don't care about living or want to die anyway. Why give them what they want? Its all about making them suffer, isn't it? Taking away their life doesn't actually do that....
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vinny1967: A couple of people reprted earlier in the Thread that the appeal process that are available to Death row inmates is actually more expensive than incarceration for life.......
That being the case if there was no capital punishment the extra resources could be put into Police Departments and may cause the felonies to be reduced..........
I just wonder how people would actually feel if the innocent person that was executed was their partner, brother, child.
I think people may change their opinion ver quickly from being an acceptable casualty in the war against crime.......
JMO
That being the case if there was no capital punishment the extra resources could be put into Police Departments and may cause the felonies to be reduced..........
I just wonder how people would actually feel if the innocent person that was executed was their partner, brother, child.
I think people may change their opinion ver quickly from being an acceptable casualty in the war against crime.......
JMO
You may be right, i may change my opinion were i in that place. tho since im not, i cant see any reason to change my mind.
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roseofsharon: Indeed!!! Even ONE life is one too many? Its simply something you can NEVER put right......
No I don't agree with even one innocent person dying...that's is why I said I agree with it provided there is no doubt whatsoever of the persons guilt...if innocent people are dying...just like the not guilty being imprisoned...then there needs to be better processes put in place to ensure that doesn't happen...
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Nick_24: You may be right, i may change my opinion were i in that place. tho since im not, i cant see any reason to change my mind.
Ok will be offline for a while.........
Ta Nick, appreciated your input and your sense of humour....
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roseofsharon: Sorry..... forgot No. 4!!
4. The death penalty is actually an easy way out for the ciminal. Over.... done and dusted, no further pain, suffering, etc. I do believe that a criminal should be made to pay, in the strongest terms, for their crime. No outside contact, no TV, games, just a bed, bucket and a very basic meal a day, hard labour. They would also have time to reflect on what they had done and atone for it. What does taking their life prove to them? A lot probably don't care about living or want to die anyway. Why give them what they want? Its all about making them suffer, isn't it? Taking away their life doesn't actually do that....
4. The death penalty is actually an easy way out for the ciminal. Over.... done and dusted, no further pain, suffering, etc. I do believe that a criminal should be made to pay, in the strongest terms, for their crime. No outside contact, no TV, games, just a bed, bucket and a very basic meal a day, hard labour. They would also have time to reflect on what they had done and atone for it. What does taking their life prove to them? A lot probably don't care about living or want to die anyway. Why give them what they want? Its all about making them suffer, isn't it? Taking away their life doesn't actually do that....
But thats not how any prison is. Prison is a cake walk where they get great food, HD television, regular visits, they get to go shopping in the exchange, they get whatever they want pretty much. And i would be inclined to agree with you on capitol punishment, if they were to make the prisons they way you described.
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RobbieM: I have a suggested sentence for T V celebs who feel the need to tell us their life short to promote a terrible film, series, book or lousy CD they just made.
Take them onto a TV show, and make them drink cheap alcohol and eat kebabs till they loose all dignity.
Add to that make it a live TV show, mixed with other acts, comedians and music and these morons would cue up to actually destroy their careers.
I cant be the only one who is sick of seeing complete nobodies trying to become celebs for nothing? Some in the music/entertainment business have no talent whatsoever....and yet they seem to court publicity like it's currency.
At the end of the show each week the finale should be suffocation of one of the guests as voted by the viewers via text message at premium rates plus texting charges (for charity) and stick the celebs head up a cows backside till they expire.
If the presenters are rubbish, finish them off as well.
Take them onto a TV show, and make them drink cheap alcohol and eat kebabs till they loose all dignity.
Add to that make it a live TV show, mixed with other acts, comedians and music and these morons would cue up to actually destroy their careers.
I cant be the only one who is sick of seeing complete nobodies trying to become celebs for nothing? Some in the music/entertainment business have no talent whatsoever....and yet they seem to court publicity like it's currency.
At the end of the show each week the finale should be suffocation of one of the guests as voted by the viewers via text message at premium rates plus texting charges (for charity) and stick the celebs head up a cows backside till they expire.
If the presenters are rubbish, finish them off as well.
YOU ARE TOO MUCH!!!!
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I think it's hard to say if I'm for the death pentaly. If you can prove 100% that someone is guilty of a horrible offense, then hell yes he deserves to pay. But there are many more cases popping up that state that they incarcerated the wrong person. So it makes you question whether the individual being strapped into the gurney ready for his lethal injection REALLY did what they say he did.
Then it comes down to a MORAL issue. We are only to be judged by God and God is the only one who is supposed to take a life. So because Joe Blow down the street kills three people, does that give us as human beings - as being below God - the right to take matters into our own hands? Doesn't that make us just as calpable in the afterlife as Joe Blow?
Personally I believe in the death penalty but i'm conflicted due to the reasons above. But, if you can 100% PROVE that the individual did what they did, I think the punishment should fit the crime. An eye for an eye. If you chop someones head off, we should be able to do that to you. I don't see how it's fair that one person can kill 35+ people in the most brutal and inhumane way possible, but he gets to basically fall asleep from a drug cocktail....that just doesn't say 'justice' for me.
Then it comes down to a MORAL issue. We are only to be judged by God and God is the only one who is supposed to take a life. So because Joe Blow down the street kills three people, does that give us as human beings - as being below God - the right to take matters into our own hands? Doesn't that make us just as calpable in the afterlife as Joe Blow?
Personally I believe in the death penalty but i'm conflicted due to the reasons above. But, if you can 100% PROVE that the individual did what they did, I think the punishment should fit the crime. An eye for an eye. If you chop someones head off, we should be able to do that to you. I don't see how it's fair that one person can kill 35+ people in the most brutal and inhumane way possible, but he gets to basically fall asleep from a drug cocktail....that just doesn't say 'justice' for me.
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Nahhh, sriously.... I have just got in from work, more than a 12 hour day, Sunshine!! Mind you, I'd probably be better off in prison, a much better lifestyle, by all accounts?!
Don't get me piggin' started.....
Aww put your feet up and have a drink.......