almera03: If you are busy and he's not, would you not be expecting him to cook the meal......
and if he doesn't...
No I wouldn´t "expect", I might "hope" though .... same as he might "hope" if he was busy ... There´salways possibility of cooking together irrespective of who´s busy or not ...As I said in other post ... there´s always tapas ...
I didn´t mean my post to reflect expectations but rather the myriad of possibilites and combinations so the expectation wasn´t always on the same person to be the cook
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
When just married (29 years ago) my then-husband and I were into good nutrition, so we would be checking the latest on the respective scientific journals for dangers in food, best nutrients, etc…then I came to a conclusion and ask him this question:
How would you like to die?
Heart attack? I will cook with animal fats.
Cancer? I will cook with vegetable oils.
Etc..etc..
Starvation? Then I will not cook.
For the record:
I do the cooking (I am good at it) unless he is better than me in which situation I would not mind his cooking for me in fact I will enjoy it!
EagleWoman: No I wouldn´t "expect", I might "hope" though .... same as he might "hope" if he was busy ... There´salways possibility of cooking together irrespective of who´s busy or not ...As I said in other post ... there´s always tapas ...
I didn´t mean my post to reflect expectations but rather the myriad of possibilites and combinations so the expectation wasn´t always on the same person to be the cook
yep that's understood....
Then to say whether its conditional, one would need to define what unconditional is and where it relates from...
Then to say whether its conditional, one would need to define what unconditional is and where it relates from...
Don't mind me, have been thinking on it too
IMO If someone "expects" (out of habit or prejudice rather than because the other said they would do it) someone else to do something and gets pissed off if/when it doesn´t happen it´s "conditional". IE I´ll "love" you more when/if you do certain things for me...
If each goes with the flow, is generous, understanding and loving in their giving/receiving, my guess is that conditions come little into it. That applies to cooking as well.
EagleWoman: IMO If someone "expects" (out of habit or prejudice rather than because the other said they would do it) someone else to do something and gets pissed off if/when it doesn´t happen it´s "conditional". IE I´ll "love" you more when/if you do certain things for me...
If each goes with the flow, is generous, understanding and loving in their giving/receiving, my guess is that conditions come little into it. That applies to cooking as well.
It would be extremely difficult to go through a long term relationship and never have a situation like that (top example) IMO
So when a situation like that does happen, do you then see the relationship doomed, do you immediately start doubting the longer term survival of the relationship, which would be damaging in it self
almera03: It would be extremely difficult to go through a long term relationship and never have a situation like that (top example) IMO
So when a situation like that does happen, do you then see the relationship doomed, do you immediately start doubting the longer term survival of the relationship, which would be damaging in it self
Good question ...
Difficult moments in a relationship are not what breaks it. What breaks it is how BOTH handle those moments AND the steps that follow... So the answer to your question would depend on both people´s reactions AFTER the situation where one "messes up" in the eyes of the other and he/she has reacted to it.
A few important questions I´ve learned to ask my self
1. Is this going to have an impact on the rest of my life? - the fact he didn´t cook for me today (even though I hoped he would) or remembered my b/day obviously isn´t)
2. Do I prefer to prove my point and be right OR do I prefer to be happy? IE Don´t sweat the small stuff ...
3. For may be bigger issues ... Can I live with it till I´ve worked on forgiveness / How long am I prepared to let this bother me and spoil the quality of my/our days?
OR is it a break deal even if I gorgive when I´m ready?
Difficult moments in a relationship are not what breaks it. What breaks it is how BOTH handle those moments AND the steps that follow... So the answer to your question would depend on both people´s reactions AFTER the situation where one "messes up" in the eyes of the other and he/she has reacted to it.
A few important questions I´ve learned to ask my self
1. Is this going to have an impact on the rest of my life? - the fact he didn´t cook for me today (even though I hoped he would) or remembered my b/day obviously isn´t)
2. Do I prefer to prove my point and be right OR do I prefer to be happy? IE Don´t sweat the small stuff ...
3. For may be bigger issues ... Can I live with it till I´ve worked on forgiveness / How long am I prepared to let this bother me and spoil the quality of my/our days?
OR is it a break deal even if I gorgive when I´m ready?
Thats a good insight thanks....
point 2. could though, easily lead to complications if not mentioned, whatever caused it, if left unmarked could become a learned habit, or a prolonged one, thus making the ingnoring of the small stuff, surely obsolete as one cannot continuously overlook something that erks you.
point 3. do you give yourself a timescale on determining forgiving, if so, how long would that be, if you don't give yourself one then the relationship could be in limbo for a long time
point 2. could though, easily lead to complications if not mentioned, whatever caused it, if left unmarked could become a learned habit, or a prolonged one, thus making the ingnoring of the small stuff, surely obsolete as one cannot continuously overlook something that erks you.
point 3. do you give yourself a timescale on determining forgiving, if so, how long would that be, if you don't give yourself one then the relationship could be in limbo for a long time
P 2. If it´s something that irks you, wouldn´t class it as "small stuff" ... OR can you accept it as part of who he/she is and love it with the rest of him/her... Sometimes things that used to irk us becoming endearing because they are such apart of the other IE
P3. The operative words are "can I live with it" If the answer is yes, then it shouldn´t affect ALL the areas of the relationship. Both need to be aware and respect the space needed for the personal work. Both should learn & grow from the work. Why give it a time scale? Wouldn´t that be a condition? Why "frame" things? How self-centered does one have to be in a long term relationship? Wanting things to be this way or that way instead of accepting all the phases of the relationship as strengthning and building is what causes disappointment and resentment. And with the build up of those non constructive feelings, eventually breakup. In my experience.
EagleWoman: P 2. If it´s something that irks you, wouldn´t class it as "small stuff" ... OR can you accept it as part of who he/she is and love it with the rest of him/her... Sometimes things that used to irk us becoming endearing because they are such apart of the other IE
P3. The operative words are "can I live with it" If the answer is yes, then it shouldn´t affect ALL the areas of the relationship. Both need to be aware and respect the space needed for the personal work. Both should learn & grow from the work. Why give it a time scale? Wouldn´t that be a condition? Why "frame" things? How self-centered does one have to be in a long term relationship? Wanting things to be this way or that way instead of accepting all the phases of the relationship as strengthning and building is what causes disappointment and resentment. And with the build up of those non constructive feelings, eventually breakup. In my experience.
I understand you & don't want to appear I'm argueing a point, you have to remember I'm a man, lol
p3. was to do with a bigger issue/s therefore I am assuming (yes that word) that to make a decision on whether its a deal breaker or not, would need to be pondered over, surely that thinking can't be stretched over a long period, what is going on while thats happening, normal happy families, because I'm not sure it could if its a potential deal breaker. What says you can't put a condition on yourself. So the original point was, is there a timescale, you said why apply one, ones applied to make the decision because without making it, that bigger issue is still there and that by itself could ruin the relationship. Is it catch 22.
almera03: I understand you & don't want to appear I'm argueing a point, you have to remember I'm a man, lol
p3. was to do with a bigger issue/s therefore I am assuming (yes that word) that to make a decision on whether its a deal breaker or not, would need to be pondered over, surely that thinking can't be stretched over a long period, what is going on while thats happening, normal happy families, because I'm not sure it could if its a potential deal breaker. What says you can't put a condition on yourself. So the original point was, is there a timescale, you said why apply one, ones applied to make the decision because without making it, that bigger issue is still there and that by itself could ruin the relationship. Is it catch 22.
Ahh!!! I replied "assuming" it wasn´t a deal breaker!! And the non necessity for time scale applied to that!!
If it´s a potential deal breaker, I think it could be time for "time out" for agreed length of time, so each can evaluate how much they value the relationship before meeting up and discussing how much they value the relationship - and how to move forward OR how little they value the relationship and move on
If I´d been able to wisely put in practice what I just wrote may be I wouldn´t be single...
But I feel that´s what I´ve learned from my experiences ...
EagleWoman: Ahh!!! I replied "assuming" it wasn´t a deal breaker!! And the non necessity for time scale applied to that!!
If it´s a potential deal breaker, I think it could be time for "time out" for agreed length of time, so each can evaluate how much they value the relationship before meeting up and discussing how much they value the relationship - and how to move forward OR how little they value the relationship and move on
If I´d been able to wisely put in practice what I just wrote may be I wouldn´t be single...
But I feel that´s what I´ve learned from my experiences ...
Wisdom is only gained through experience, thank you
EagleWoman: No I wouldn´t "expect", I might "hope" though .... same as he might "hope" if he was busy ... There´salways possibility of cooking together irrespective of who´s busy or not ...As I said in other post ... there´s always tapas ...
I didn´t mean my post to reflect expectations but rather the myriad of possibilites and combinations so the expectation wasn´t always on the same person to be the cook
Isn’t whats highlighted a contradiction?
After I read this post of yours, I came to the conclusion that (hope) is an (expectation) of in itself, simply semantics. But, I decided to do some research and found it not to be the case. I now understand that one’s (expectations) have nothing to do with someone else and that a multitude of negative emotions can manifest from the resentment triggered by such. As where going with the flow and living each day with (hope) that the uncertainty of life itself and the people within it actually surprise us. Interesting concept !!!
almera03: hey, whats the point of having a dog and then barking yourself......
its about time us men stop pandering to the "little woman" and take back control of the trouser wearing
If men would wear the trousers, that would be great. When I was married, I cooked, cleaned, did the yard work, home schooled the children, took the cars to the shop AND worked outside the home. What did he do? Worked a few days a month, watched tv, and smoked pot. I'm much better off now that I am divorced.
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and if he doesn't...
No I wouldn´t "expect", I might "hope" though .... same as he might "hope" if he was busy ... There´salways possibility of cooking together irrespective of who´s busy or not ...As I said in other post ... there´s always tapas ...
I didn´t mean my post to reflect expectations but rather the myriad of possibilites and combinations so the expectation wasn´t always on the same person to be the cook