Pearl Jam were technically and artistically vastly superior to Nirvana. Kurt Cobain was a songwriter with plenty of intention and plenty of issues but struglled with his limitations.
Their outright theft and failure to disguise the riff used in 'Come as you are' borrowed from Killing Joke's 'The 80's' was a direct reflection of their aimlessness and the general mismanagement of the band. The Foo Fighter's Dave Grohl was almost certainly the conduit for the plaigerism as he had played drums for both bands but the litigation was still hanging in the air when cobain met his untimely demise.
While Nirvana scored big at the bank with 'Nevermind' it somehow seemed a bit tacky and clearly aimed for a younger demographic than their main competitors offering.
Pearl Jam's '10' was a watershed album not just as a genre-definiing moment for grunge but for rock in general. Every track was perfect in its conceptualisation if not in its production and Eddie Vedder heralded his arrival as a gifted songwriter and one of rocks most powerful, interesting and listenable vocalists.
In case you were not aware - the title of the album refers to the 10 individuals dissafected by modern American society as described in each track.
I still sing 'Jeremy' in the shower occasionally (much to the chagrin of the kids). It is one of the few tracks to which I can remember all the lyrics.
ActusReusOPSydney, New South Wales Australia20 posts
Mysticalli: yes, I was. Super ultra cool. Just preferred other kind of music. Something "Heavier" like Rage (but not that "against the machine", obviously).
ahhhh i remember music class at school... We use to "try" and play killing in the name repeatedly. Much to the dissmay of our teacher.. hahahaha
I think Nirvana was a great band but I think they received way too much credit after the fact just because Kurt Cobain killed himself, (or Courtney Love had him killed depending on who you believe). I don't know if they would still be relative had he not died. I'm obviously choosing Pearl Jam. Their songs just mean more to me especially Daughter, my theme song as a teenager. Eddie Vedder's voice gives me goosebumps. When I listen to music I want to feel it and to get something from it and I just don't with Nirvana.
ActusReusOPSydney, New South Wales Australia20 posts
JustJess77: I think Nirvana was a great band but I think they received way too much credit after the fact just because Kurt Cobain killed himself, (or Courtney Love had him killed depending on who you believe). I don't know if they would still be relative had he not died. I'm obviously choosing Pearl Jam. Their songs just mean more to me especially Daughter, my theme song as a teenager. Eddie Vedder's voice gives me goosebumps. When I listen to music I want to feel it and to get something from it and I just don't with Nirvana.
Nirvana surpassed Pearl Jam in record sales as soon as Nevermind came out. So they were obviously doing something right! Its hard to say wether or not they'd still be rellevant today? Although i would probably lean towards your way of thinking Jess. Kurt hit the drugs hard because he couldnt handle the preasure. I seen them here in Aus in 92... They were brilliant live.
In saying that i have seen Pearl Jam 3 times. Vedder's vocals are brilliant...
I like some indiviual songs from Nirvana - my fav. being their unplugged CD because of cobain's folk style - I'm older. I see him as a bit dylanesque & enjoy that about him
I like other songs from other Pearl Jam cds but I think Given To Fly is a very unique work
in the nineties I was still listening to a lot of retro music because I am a child of Hendrix Page Young, and Van Halen
and a lot of country & western - in the 90s rascal flatts, dixie chicks and a lot of retro dwight yoakam , alison krauss
but I honestly think Creed & AIC was some of the best new music to come out of the 90s, then chris cornell had vocals equal to or better than anyone else at the time, and loved KWS
Well,being a former musician myself,and heavily involved in the 80´s AOR scene,-I must say,that "grunge/alternative"completely ruined the whole rock scene....
So as for Nirvana,Pearl Jam,Alice In Chains and their likes,-they have something in common,-they all suck...and responsible for killing rock´n´roll....Sorry...just the way I feel...
well being that rocknroll is american music - with a tie to some influences from England, primarily - it may be that the bands you do not like a2z - are more geared toward musicians & fans from those cultures
I just like the variety rock n roll has evolved but certainly no one is going to like everything...
Grunge killed my poodle perm,Bon Jovi attitude....and look at me now!
Just kidding,-as for American,-AOR was "born" in the US,-Journey,Survivor,Honeymoon Suite,Loverboy.....+ 1.000 other´s...
yes I was just being testy
you obviously like a different sort
but one reason I like certain bands like VH and ACDC is that they endured beyond the decades or the trends - I think that can be said of Journey even tho I ws never a big fan of their I think their music will endure
ActusReusOPSydney, New South Wales Australia20 posts
Music has been evolving ever since it started. Every style of music derived from another.
For someone to say that "Grunge killed rock" .. I laugh at them. Grunge, Rock n Roll, Heavy metal, R&B... They are all just labels put to a style. Labels dont kill genres, fans kill genres.
So you cant blame the genre of "grunge" for apparently killing "rock n roll".. Its the fans who stop listening to the earlier stuff because something better came along.
But in saying that. Rock is not dead my friend. And if you think it is, then you are dilusional.
ActusReus: What are you on about? Was that a gay reference?
Sorry dude, i dont swing that way! hahahaha
No, fear not - I don't swing that direction either. It was a reference to the defeat of the NSW Waratahs by the Wellington Hurricanes in Sydney. Nevermind (get it?) you obviously don't follow rugby...
And as for AtwoZ....my opinion is somewhat the opposite. Those early grunge bands, in fact, saved rock. God knows where the artistically vacuuous glam rock bands of the 70's and 80's would have gone if the dismal punk rock genre did not cross the Atlantic and reinvent itself as the, slightly more socially acceptable for the US market, 'grunge' genre in the late 80's.
It effectively gave birth to bands like Alice in Chains, Limp Bizkit, Staind, Korn, POD, Creed, Nickleback and more latterly, cross-over bands like Evanescence, Breaking Benjamin etc. The general trend is towards more quality music as tends to happen throughout a genre's life-span.
While I didn't tend to listen to grunge at the time, I am gratefull to it now.
And as for someones comment that Nirvana's record sales outstripping PJ's...I think we all know that popularity is no measure of artistic endeavour. If it were - Britney Spears would be the best artist on the planet.
I didn't mean that Nirvana was not a great band cuz they were. The difference for me in listening to them is that I hear Nirvana but I feel Pearl Jam.
ActusReus: Nirvana surpassed Pearl Jam in record sales as soon as Nevermind came out. So they were obviously doing something right! Its hard to say wether or not they'd still be rellevant today? Although i would probably lean towards your way of thinking Jess. Kurt hit the drugs hard because he couldnt handle the preasure. I seen them here in Aus in 92... They were brilliant live.
In saying that i have seen Pearl Jam 3 times. Vedder's vocals are brilliant...
felixis99: limp bizkit is metal/white boy rap not grunge
Hah - you sound a bit like one of those teeny trolls suggesting that Evanescence is NOT emo....like no way! (said with squeeky voice).
Genres are, by nature, broad and overlapping and many modern muscial styles have roots through similar strains. I bet Scott Stapp would probably cringe at the suggestion that Creed is in any way a grunge band which obviously they strictly speaking are not but I expect they would also accept that grunge had a significant influence on the music they produce today.
Most modern rock and metal artists realise that they are somewhat indebted to those San Fransisco bands of the late 80's and early 90's.
nirvana definately they were as real as you get,really brought punk rock back to the forefront and the fact that kurt juat wanted to make music his way without all the b.s.
I was a teen in the 70's.....so that kinda takes me out of the loop I guess. But I remember Nirvana, I had a nephew that really idolized them and had a Fender Jaguar as well. I personally like some of their songs but I was more concerned about my nephew getting into the drug side of it which I am happy to say he did not. They were out of Seatle or close anyway so I thought that was cool...The Portland and Seattle music scene over the years has produced a few that got worldwide recognition and of course many that were/are great but not so well known. I guess I will have to wait for the 70's teen options.. ;-}
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