Rumple4skin: When the wolf kills the sheep, is it a sin?
My friend, your question is very good and the answer for that can be too long according to the Buddhist Doctrine. To give this question a precise answer I have to explain the reincarnation/cycle of births and rebirths of the different grounds/worlds/planes of the living beings. Anyway I'll try to shorten my answer as much as I can. To your question my direct answer is "yes"
According to the Buddhism,mainly there are 4 types of blazes/evil states 1. Thirisan (animal) 2. Asura 3. Pretha 4. Yama And for the other three things I can't give single English words since they misinterprets the real meaning of these words.They are used for demons, devils,ghosts,phantoms,tempters,fiends,goblins,gremlins and geneis etc and many more.
Thirisan (Animal) According to the teachings, animals are sentient beings just as humans, comprised of mind-matter (nama-rupa) combination. They are subject to the same kammic laws as humans. A being may be born in the animal plane (which is classed below that of human) as a result of unwholesome kamma.
That's why it is cold that this eternal "Sansara" (cycle of births and rebirths) is full of sorrow and sufferings.No eternal agreements can be made with this sansara.It is so disputable and everything is unstable. Buddhism is not a religion. It is a method for ending up the journey of this sansara.
Rumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK980 posts
ParamaSathya: My friend, your question is very good and the answer for that can be too long according to the Buddhist Doctrine. To give this question a precise answer I have to explain the reincarnation/cycle of births and rebirths of the different grounds/worlds/planes of the living beings. Anyway I'll try to shorten my answer as much as I can.
To your question my direct answer is "yes"
According to the Buddhism,mainly there are 4 types of blazes/evil states 1. Thirisan (animal) 2. Asura 3. Pretha 4. Yama And for the other three things I can't give single English words since they misinterprets the real meaning of these words.They are used for demons, devils,ghosts,phantoms,tempters,fiends,goblins,gremlins and geneis etc and many more.
Thirisan (Animal) According to the teachings, animals are sentient beings just as humans, comprised of mind-matter (nama-rupa) combination. They are subject to the same kammic laws as humans. A being may be born in the animal plane (which is classed below that of human) as a result of unwholesome kamma.
That's why it is cold that this eternal "Sansara" (cycle of births and rebirths) is full of sorrow and sufferings.No eternal agreements can be made with this sansara.It is so disputable and everything is unstable. Buddhism is not a religion. It is a method for ending up the journey of this sansara.
Then "sin" isn't really sin in the Western sense? "Sin", however negative, would be a natural aspect of whichever plane the being inhabits?
I'm interested, where does plantlife rank in comparison to animal life, if at all?
Rumple4skin: Then "sin" isn't really sin in the Western sense? "Sin", however negative, would be a natural aspect of whichever plane the being inhabits?
I'm interested, where does plantlife rank in comparison to animal life, if at all?
well...Pants do not have the type of consciousness (vinnana) inherent in a sentient being, therefore rebirth as a plant or tree is not possible.
Rumple4skin: Then "sin" isn't really sin in the Western sense? "Sin", however negative, would be a natural aspect of whichever plane the being inhabits?
Western sense or Eastern sense, no body can change the existing reality on this earth. If you cultivate corn, you can reap corn as the crop. It is the doctrine of the nature. If we do good, the consequence will be good.
Rumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK980 posts
ParamaSathya: well...Pants do not have the type of consciousness (vinnana) inherent in a sentient being, therefore rebirth as a plant or tree is not possible.
I see.
But obviously plants take up their share of the Earth. So, if the farmer directs his land away from raising cattle in favour of growing crops - thus denying the resources of the Earth to animals, in favour of plants - would it not be a sin?
ParamaSathya: Western sense or Eastern sense, no body can change the existing reality on this earth. If you cultivate corn, you can reap corn as the crop. It is the doctrine of the nature. If we do good, the consequence will be good.
I find your use of the word "good" rather odd to grasp.
Is a volcano that destroys a city a bad volcano or a person who cultivates to reap a crop of corn with a fungus on it - is it still a good consequence?
Perhaps and this is just a suggestion - let go of the words and feelings and thoughts that are good, or bad, or a sin.
The world just is - it is neither good nor bad - it just is.
As for the bad volcano - it one wants to life a long healthy life - don't live next to one.
Killing the flesh only releases the spirit, so in essence you've killed nothing, because the spirit is immortal and in nature its the nutritious flesh that perpetuates the living through its sacrifice until its sacrifice of flesh or life, so its spirit can be free from its host and begin its new life with eternity
We replicate what our parents have become! It is up to us to break the vicious cycle of bad karma! God has implanted within us the ability, coupled with enough intelligence work that one out for ourselves! That meat truck we find ourselves riding behind on its way to slaughter becomes us! For it will be us they will be sticking their fork into the next time round. Our karma becomes the meat on their plate & that is only fair! May God have mercy upon their souls! & may they find everlasting peace! Merry Christmas all! From: Humans, nothing but cannibals pretending to be civilized! Author: FOR ALL WE KNOW WHAT DO WE KNOW? SAVE FOR THAT THE LAW OF KARMA REALLY DOES EXIST! LET LIFE BE OUR ONLY TEACHER AS OUR CREATOR INTENDED IT TO BE & NOT THE CHURCH! AFTER ALL WHO CREATED LIFE ? NO FURTHER COMMENTS!
Rumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK980 posts
ParamaSathya: Western sense or Eastern sense, no body can change the existing reality on this earth. If you cultivate corn, you can reap corn as the crop. It is the doctrine of the nature. If we do good, the consequence will be good.
One of my best friends has cerebral palsy, I could never accept that this is because he did bad.
The richest and most powerful people in my culture have destroyed it, I could never accept that this is because they did good.
Karma is a meritocracy not reflected by Human nature, in my opinion.
ParamaSathya: Western sense or Eastern sense, no body can change the existing reality on this earth. If you cultivate corn, you can reap corn as the crop. It is the doctrine of the nature. If we do good, the consequence will be good.
Karma is just another word for "Ego" as with any other word or explanation of something that's of a "not understood reason" created by man like the word "GOD"
But obviously plants take up their share of the Earth. So, if the farmer directs his land away from raising cattle in favour of growing crops - thus denying the resources of the Earth to animals, in favour of plants - would it not be a sin?
Mind precedes all actions and serves as the principal element both in performing and in assessing deeds. It is mind that rules and shapes action. Words and deeds are also produced by mind. We should think about all the living beings in this universe as human beings and we should do whatever we can for their welfare too.
We have to consider, how the farmer's mind works in that case. If he does it in good intention like for the beneficence of the others, then it won't be a sin. But if he does it for his own sake or the intention is preceded by the greed in his mind, it will be a sin.
Suppose, A rat is caught by a cat and you just save the life of the rat thinking of saving the life of the rat. It will be a Merit. But If you save the rat having the intention of teaching a good lesson to the cat by not allowing it to have its prey, then it will be a sin. See, how does the mind precede of your actions and cause for the consequence.
JeanKimberley: I find your use of the word "good" rather odd to grasp.
Is a volcano that destroys a city a bad volcano or a person who cultivates to reap a crop of corn with a fungus on it - is it still a good consequence?
Perhaps and this is just a suggestion - let go of the words and feelings and thoughts that are good, or bad, or a sin.
The world just is - it is neither good nor bad - it just is.
As for the bad volcano - it one wants to life a long healthy life - don't live next to one.
the world is.
Buddhism teaches there are five types of factors at work in the cosmos that cause things to happen, called the Five Niyamas. Karma is only one of these factors. Present circumstances are the result of countless factors that are always in flux. There is no single cause that makes everything to be the way it is. 1. Utu Niyama Utu Niyama is the natural law of non-living matter. This natural law orders the change of seasons and phenomena related to climate and the weather. It explains the nature of heat and fire, soil and gasses, water and wind. Most natural disasters such as floods and earthquakes would be governed by Utu Niyama. Put into modern terms, Utu Niyama would correlate with what we think of as physics, chemistry, geology, and several sciences of inorganic phenomena. The most important point to understand about Utu Niyama is that the matter it governs is not part of the law of karma and is not overridden by karma. So, from a Buddhist perspective, natural disasters such as earthquakes are not caused by karma.
2. Bija Niyama Bija Niyama? is the law of living matter, what we would think of as biology. The Pali word bija means "seed," and so Bija Niyama governs the nature of germs and seeds and the attributes of sprouts, leaves, flowers, fruits, and plant life generally.
Some modern scholars suggest that laws of genetics that apply to all life, plant and animal, would come under the heading of Bija Niyama.
3. Kamma Niyama : is the law of moral causation. All of our volitional thoughts, words and deeds create an energy that brings about effects, and that process is called karma.
4. Dhamma Niyama something like "manifestation of reality" or the nature of existence. One way to think of Dhamma Niyama is as natural spiritual law. The doctrines of anatta (no self) and shunyata (emptiness) and the marks of existence, for example, would be part of Dhamma Niyama.
5. Citta Niyama(Chiththa Niyama)
Citta, sometimes spelled chitta, means "mind," "heart," or "state of consciousness." Citta Niyama is the law of mental activity -- something like psychology. It concerns consciousness, thoughts, and perceptions. We tend to think of our minds as "us," or as the pilot directing us through our lives. But in Buddhism, mental activities are phenomena that arise from causes and conditions, like other phenomena. In the teachings of the Five Skandhas (Eye,Ear,Nose,Tongue,Body) mind is a kind of sense organ, and thoughts are sense objects, in the same way the nose is a sense organ and smells are its objects.
Mysst: Killing the flesh only releases the spirit, so in essence you've killed nothing, because the spirit is immortal and in nature its the nutritious flesh that perpetuates the living through its sacrifice until its sacrifice of flesh or life, so its spirit can be free from its host and begin its new life with eternity
Applies your opinion to your self and then think will it be reasonable ? Anyone can kill you with the intention of releasing your soul to a new life as you said. Do you like if it happens to yourself. Compare it to yourself Sir.
Rumple4skin: One of my best friends has cerebral palsy, I could never accept that this is because he did bad.
The richest and most powerful people in my culture have destroyed it, I could never accept that this is because they did good.
Karma is a meritocracy not reflected by Human nature, in my opinion.
Ailments(Abadha) Can be occurred;
1. Uthuparinamaja Abadha(Ailments cos of the seasonal changing and climate,weather etc) 2.Waatha Samuttana Abadha (Ailments cos of the Air) 3.Semha Samuttana Abadha (....cos of the phlegm) 4.Piththa Samuttana Abadha (...cos of the bile ) 5.Kamma Vipakaja Abadha (....cos of the consequences of bad karma ) 6.Paropakkamika Abadha (...Cos of the methods used by others ) 7.Vishama Pariharaja abadha ( ...cos of the toxic food drinks,misusing the body and misbehavings etc)
GUZMAN1: What about to kill an snake that it's nearly bitting a child?
Well its a nice tricky question. destruction of a life to save another life. If this happens,you are having both consequences of killing an animal and Saving a Child. Good consequences (merit) for saving a life, and the bad consequence (sin) for destructing a life. Two intentions arises one after another (saving a life and destructing a life)
Rumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK980 posts
ParamaSathya: Mind precedes all actions and serves as the principal element both in performing and in assessing deeds. It is mind that rules and shapes action. Words and deeds are also produced by mind. We should think about all the living beings in this universe as human beings and we should do whatever we can for their welfare too.
We have to consider, how the farmer's mind works in that case. If he does it in good intention like for the beneficence of the others, then it won't be a sin. But if he does it for his own sake or the intention is preceded by the greed in his mind, it will be a sin.
Suppose, A rat is caught by a cat and you just save the life of the rat thinking of saving the life of the rat. It will be a Merit. But If you save the rat having the intention of teaching a good lesson to the cat by not allowing it to have its prey, then it will be a sin. See, how does the mind precede of your actions and cause for the consequence.
The point is that the farmer chooses whichever food to produce based upon the demands of others. So, if we all turned vegetarian the livestock would die out indefinitely in favour of crops.
Rumple4skin: The point is that the farmer chooses whichever food to produce based upon the demands of others. So, if we all turned vegetarian the livestock would die out indefinitely in favour of crops.
mmmm.. you are throwing nice questions my friend
Well...vegetarians never eat fish,egg and meat but do people who eat fish,meat and egg not eat vegetables in this world ? Nothing happens if they become vege ...cos still the people who eat meat , eat vegetables too.
Rumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK980 posts
ParamaSathya: mmmm.. you are throwing nice questions my friend
Well...vegetarians never eat fish,egg and meat but do people who eat fish,meat and egg not eat vegetables in this world ? Nothing happens if they become vege ...cos still the people who eat meat , eat vegetables too.
Actually, most vegetarians don't really eat vegetables. Pastatarians I like to call them.
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