An Eye For An Eye? (52)
Sometimes the only solution I have is to find forgiveness or be willing to forgive. If I live in the past I cannot live well today. Hoping for revenge or evening the score so to speak brings no internal peace at the end of the day. Be well.
LadyDiz2: Hm, you should perhaps visit a few of these facilities where 20 prisoners are placed in cells meant for 2. You might just reassess this living 'in comfort' perception you have.
When last I heard our jails were about 130% overloaded. That is about 2.6 prisoners per cell meant for 2. Now you report 20 in such a cell. I can understand why criminal get back on the street so quick. There is not place for them all in our jails.
Ccincy: Most if not political figures will obviously say that they are/aren't for the death penalty.They also have a way of crunching numbers of deaths.I've known of cases where someone will serve time or be executed for a crime they never committed.If someone is 100% found guilty and there's no doubt they committed the crime then they should do the time or done away with.
CC, that is my only concern. The poor guy who is not guilty. If the state cannot proof beyond all doubt that he is guilty of murder he should go free. Beyond reasonable doubt is a load of nonsense that can send innocent people to jail.
Catfoot: Ah, you see, what happened here is competent police officers and detectives were forced into early retirement to make place for political appointments to incompetent people, thus leaving us with an ineffective police force.
If a unit is to effective in fighting corruption the unit is disbanded and the members are discredited as incompetent.
With regards to your last sentence, murders have doubled since the moratorium and subsequent abolishment of the death penalty in South Africa.
If a unit is to effective in fighting corruption the unit is disbanded and the members are discredited as incompetent.
With regards to your last sentence, murders have doubled since the moratorium and subsequent abolishment of the death penalty in South Africa.
Catfoot, I really feel your frustration there and the need to fix what is a not-too-good one. It's a situation you can't understand unless you've lived in it...but
I needs to be fixed without the taking of more lives. Having said that, I might feel differently if it were one of my loved ones hurt or worse.
rebel2: Perhaps the issue then is for someone who has the determination and ability in power to address the problem from the top downwards.
Executing people will not eliminate the overall problem.
Executing people will not eliminate the overall problem.
Now you're talking but finding such a person here will be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
unlaoised: Catfoot, I really feel your frustration there and the need to fix what is a not-too-good one. It's a situation you can't understand unless you've lived in it...but
I needs to be fixed without the taking of more lives. Having said that, I might feel differently if it were one of my loved ones hurt or worse.
I needs to be fixed without the taking of more lives. Having said that, I might feel differently if it were one of my loved ones hurt or worse.
...she says as she reads a news update about one of Johnny Clegg's back-up vocalists was shot dead today, for the price of his car and his cellphone.
LadyDiz2: And for those from the bottom up to get involved in governance structures and neighbourhood initiatives. I know it seems impossible to change but then apartheid seemed impossible to overcome, too, but overcome it we did.
Diz, I know that some people are trying their best and it is not you I'm fighting with. Iit is the system I'm kicking against.
joey987: Sometimes the only solution I have is to find forgiveness or be willing to forgive. If I live in the past I cannot live well today. Hoping for revenge or evening the score so to speak brings no internal peace at the end of the day. Be well.
This is not living in the past, it is an ongoing thing. Based on hospital records, it is estimated that about 58 people are ,murdered each day in South Africa. Interpol corroborates this. If it was something of the past it would be easy to move on but we live with it every day while our government hides the true facts to look effective.
unlaoised: Catfoot, I really feel your frustration there and the need to fix what is a not-too-good one.
Maybe a bit of frustration too but mostly fear and concern. It cannot go on like this indefinitely.
unlaoised:
I needs to be fixed without the taking of more lives.
I needs to be fixed without the taking of more lives.
Try telling this to the murderers. About 58 people in SA die each day being murdered.
unlaoised: ...she says as she reads a news update about one of Johnny Clegg's back-up vocalists was shot dead today, for the price of his car and his cellphone.
See what I mean? And mostly people are killed for the change in their pocket.
Oregongold: One Utah Rep. is wanting to bring back firing squads, I am for that.. Simple, swift and no wasted rubbing alcohol for the needle!
I bet some will campaign to disinfect the bullets to prevent blood poisoning.
Catfoot: Does a man deserve to live after he had purposely and intentionally killed another man? I hear this nonsense all the time about his constitutional right to live but what about the rights of the person he had killed?
Do we have the right to defend our own lives by the taking of another?
How do we act when somebody lost his life due to the negligence and/or recklessness of another person?
Is a crime of passion any different than any other crime if you had enough time to reconsider?
What about killing somebody in a rage; on the spur of the moment, so to speak? Is such a person fit to walk around in public. What happens when he gets cross again?
Is attempted murder any different than murder? Is doing a bad job mitigation if it was clearly his intention to kill?
I personally don’t think a man deserves the right to live if he had willfully killed another; no matter what the reason. He had forfeited that right when he took it away from his victim.
Do we have the right to defend our own lives by the taking of another?
How do we act when somebody lost his life due to the negligence and/or recklessness of another person?
Is a crime of passion any different than any other crime if you had enough time to reconsider?
What about killing somebody in a rage; on the spur of the moment, so to speak? Is such a person fit to walk around in public. What happens when he gets cross again?
Is attempted murder any different than murder? Is doing a bad job mitigation if it was clearly his intention to kill?
I personally don’t think a man deserves the right to live if he had willfully killed another; no matter what the reason. He had forfeited that right when he took it away from his victim.
Catfoot: See what I mean? And mostly people are killed for the change in their pocket.
Ja I know, it's serously bad, Catfoot, it keeps me awake at night worrying about my elderly parents there.
Interesting the calls for the death penalty to be brought back by the commenters on that news story, btw.
unlaoised: Interesting the calls for the death penalty to be brought back by the commenters on that news story, btw.
The people are tired. Most want it back but the ANC want to give prisonor's voting rights. I wonder what happened to that notion.
Catfoot: The people are tired. Most want it back but the ANC want to give prisonor's voting rights. I wonder what happened to that notion.
With good reason...but look who's been voted back in for another term
unlaoised: With good reason...but look who's been voted back in for another term
But it is ok, they are cutting their own throats slowly but surely
Catfoot: Ok, also noted. What do you suggest we do with the murderer to prevent him from doing the same to another.
When a dog bites once he will bite again, and once a lion had tasted human flesh he becomes a man eater. Humans are the same. Killing becomes easy once you have done it before.
When a dog bites once he will bite again, and once a lion had tasted human flesh he becomes a man eater. Humans are the same. Killing becomes easy once you have done it before.
actually a dog that bites often does not bite again, and a lion that has tasted human flesh does not hunt humans - it is all a crap shoot, in the living and dying business.
What about a business person who intentionally cuts corners in his business and it kills someone? Like the guy who owned a tanning company for years and let the toxic crap go into the ground instead of safely expensively disposing the waste, and it gets into the groundwater and kills the 13 kids with cancer?
JeanKimberley: actually a dog that bites often does not bite again, and a lion that has tasted human flesh does not hunt humans - it is all a crap shoot, in the living and dying business.
What about a business person who intentionally cuts corners in his business and it kills someone? Like the guy who owned a tanning company for years and let the toxic crap go into the ground instead of safely expensively disposing the waste, and it gets into the groundwater and kills the 13 kids with cancer?
What about a business person who intentionally cuts corners in his business and it kills someone? Like the guy who owned a tanning company for years and let the toxic crap go into the ground instead of safely expensively disposing the waste, and it gets into the groundwater and kills the 13 kids with cancer?
Dogs that bite once more than often bite again. Both Cape Town and Johannesburg municipalities and many others have by-laws to do away with any dog biting a human. The owner has no say in it.
I live in Africa. These lions here are majestic animals but monsters and do become man eaters; esp when older. They have to be hunted and killed for they will hunt nothing else but humans.
The scenario re the toxic waste that you painted is gross negligence and/or recklessness and should be punished according to the law, however the intent here was not to kill.
No. "An eye for an eye makes the world go blind."
I oppose the death penalty, and more importantly it is estimated in the USA that as many as 4% of death row inmates are entirely innocent.
Do you have the right to defend yourself? Of course. That's different from revenge and mob justice.
I oppose the death penalty, and more importantly it is estimated in the USA that as many as 4% of death row inmates are entirely innocent.
Do you have the right to defend yourself? Of course. That's different from revenge and mob justice.
In this country when the death penalty was under review, the conventional wisdom of the time is that we do not want to stoop to the level of the killer, or become what it is that we hate. There is some merit to that.
So we do not permit vengeance, but rather have a system of jurisprudence as most western nations, where there is a jury and a trial with rights of appeal.
Texas, I believe, has executed more inmates than any other US state, but I doubt that has prevented much crime.
Vengeance is always a mistake. It is a route for the small minded and ignorant, in my opinion. It can be hard to resist that particular temptation at times though. But other avenues are available for a REASON....whether or not executions are a mistake is a harder question. Personally I believe in the Commandment that Thou Shalt Not Kill.
So we do not permit vengeance, but rather have a system of jurisprudence as most western nations, where there is a jury and a trial with rights of appeal.
Texas, I believe, has executed more inmates than any other US state, but I doubt that has prevented much crime.
Vengeance is always a mistake. It is a route for the small minded and ignorant, in my opinion. It can be hard to resist that particular temptation at times though. But other avenues are available for a REASON....whether or not executions are a mistake is a harder question. Personally I believe in the Commandment that Thou Shalt Not Kill.
Catfoot: Dogs that bite once more than often bite again. Both Cape Town and Johannesburg municipalities and many others have by-laws to do away with any dog biting a human. The owner has no say in it.
I live in Africa. These lions here are majestic animals but monsters and do become man eaters; esp when older. They have to be hunted and killed for they will hunt nothing else but humans.
The scenario re the toxic waste that you painted is gross negligence and/or recklessness and should be punished according to the law, however the intent here was not to kill.
I live in Africa. These lions here are majestic animals but monsters and do become man eaters; esp when older. They have to be hunted and killed for they will hunt nothing else but humans.
The scenario re the toxic waste that you painted is gross negligence and/or recklessness and should be punished according to the law, however the intent here was not to kill.
maybe true about the lions - city living in American, I have no way of knowing about that - as my source is from Discovery channel and reading on the animals.
However the dog biting is an odd thing because the greatest number of dog bites are of the friendly pet - the cocker spaniel breed- the most common in numbers, a children's pet and it is because the young child is at the same height as the dog and
in a close family setting - where it is a matter of accident and the dog not taught good manners and it is a dog after all.
So if someone murders someone and says it was an accident and not intended to kill them, like a crime of passion then it is unintentional and not subject to the capital punishment rules you support?
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Executing people will not eliminate the overall problem.