Dmire: Is poverty in the 3rd world countries , usually refered as 'developing countries' due to their mismanagement of their resources?
Comment: 1.most of the political leaders in these countries are corrupt.Their masters are people in the first world countries.They steal their country's money and bank them in Europe and North America.The money benefits 1st world 2.Unfair world trade practices The catels in 1st world does not allow these countries to manufacture their finished products e.g Ghana is the world producer of cocoa, yet Swiss are no.1 producer of chocolate Germany is the world producer of coffee we drink yet does not have asingle stem of coffee
Whichever country you happen to be in, poverty is relative and corruption is rife. It doesnt matter how they try to hide it with their spin, the poor remain the poor the whole world over and whichever form of greed a particular regime utilises, it never benefits those who need it most or indeed, those who actually work the hardest to produce the goods i.e. the coffee or cocoa pickers, without whose efforts, the fat controllers wouldnt have their stock market to play with in the first place..........
trish123: Whichever country you happen to be in, poverty is relative and corruption is rife. It doesnt matter how they try to hide it with their spin, the poor remain the poor the whole world over and whichever form of greed a particular regime utilises, it never benefits those who need it most or indeed, those who actually work the hardest to produce the goods i.e. the coffee or cocoa pickers, without whose efforts, the fat controllers wouldnt have their stock market to play with in the first place..........
So would you agree with me that a %tage of 1st world is wealth is maintained by 3rd world?
The outsourcing of manufacture wasnt to benefit those countries, it was because production was cheaper even including the costs of transportation (which of course was a boost for the oil industry) but while profits are unscrupulously creamed off at any given opportunity, the only people that ever benefit are those on the top of the pyramid which will (has already as we are witnessing) inevitably lead to a collapse in the world economy.
For any economy to survive it needs to flow, theres little use in producing anything if people dont have the means to purchase it. The signs of collapse have been all round us for years, the stock markets have been working on negative equity and I havent researched it but I would hazard a guess that the offshore tax havens have never been quite so bulging.........
Dmire: Comment: 1.most of the political leaders in these countries are corrupt.Their masters are people in the first world countries.They steal their country's money and bank them in Europe and North America.The money benefits 1st world 2.Unfair world trade practices The catels in 1st world does not allow these countries to manufacture their finished products e.g Ghana is the world producer of cocoa, yet Swiss are no.1 producer of chocolate Germany is the world producer of coffee we drink yet does not have asingle stem of coffee
Dmire: Comment: 1.most of the political leaders in these countries are corrupt.Their masters are people in the first world countries.They steal their country's money and bank them in Europe and North America.The money benefits 1st world 2.Unfair world trade practices The catels in 1st world does not allow these countries to manufacture their finished products e.g Ghana is the world producer of cocoa, yet Swiss are no.1 producer of chocolate Germany is the world producer of coffee we drink yet does not have asingle stem of coffee
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Not necessarily true in all developing countries. China is the biggest developing country. singapore is a developing country. Malaysia is a developing country. A lot of developing country in asia have different situation from those developing countries in north america. asia is more unique in its structure, that up to now, no one can say what causes the slack of economy in one asian country reflects that of the others.
although even by history, developing countries became poorer after they were exploited by developed countries. look at India, originally, it is one of the riches countries. Turkey and Egypt were also rich before including persia and look at them now after they were exploited. Although past is past, the developed countries contributed to the economic slack of most developing countries.
treesaregreen: Not necessarily true in all developing countries. China is the biggest developing country. singapore is a developing country. Malaysia is a developing country. A lot of developing country in asia have different situation from those developing countries in north america. asia is more unique in its structure, that up to now, no one can say what causes the slack of economy in one asian country reflects that of the others.
Yes i agree. But, please of the 53 nations in Afrca for example, name one country, where there is no corruption with monies stashed in banks in Europe and North America with full knowledge of the administration in these countries?
Poverty in third world countries are probably caused by a great many and different reasons. Each situation is unique and should not be generalized. All I know is from what I see from the media. In my opinion the media has a slant that may or may not be true. I don't know the right answer to your question nor to have the ability to solve the problems.
Dmire: Is poverty in the 3rd world countries , usually refered as 'developing countries' due to their mismanagement of their resources?
The number of "third world" countries that have been able to self-govern without interference by foreign nations and corporations is scant. In near all cases of "unstable third world" countries, they suffered foreign-backed dictators, and meddling foreign governments and foreign corporations that acted in their own interests rather than those of the local people.
Iran would have been fine if its democratically elected government had not been overthrown in 1953. Mossadegh wanted to sell oil at the world price and build refineries. Instead, during the Shah's 25 year regime, oil was underpriced and Iran ended up a net importer of gasoline despite being an exporter of oil. The country should have been awash in riches; instead, only the Shah was.
Or look up the antics of United Fruit Corporation (now Chiquita) in opposing fair prices and wages for labour in Guatemala and many other Central American countries. It is unlikely they would not have become economic basketcases if foreign corporations had not been allowed to dictate US foreign policy. Nicaragua under the Sandanistas only failed economically because of the US blockade of its ability to trade.
And remember the US invasion of Grenada? Their government wanted to build an airport to attract more tourism, but the only country that would back them was Cuba, not the US or any other. The US invaded to "protect Grenada from communism", and Grenada ended up a basket case since, its imports five times its exports and are even worse since 2004's Hurricane Ivan thanks to "neo-con economics" which were imposed by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) across Latin America for 20+ years.
What are some recent rare cases where nations were able to act without foreign interference, and only self-governance? Cambodia, Thailand and Vietnam since the 1970s, the so-called "Tiger Economies" which seem to be weathering the worldwide recession better than others.
Dmire: Yes i agree. But, please of the 53 nations in Afrca for example, name one country, where there is no corruption with monies stashed in banks in Europe and North America with full knowledge of the administration in these countries?
It is also rampant in Asia. Even Japan complains of corruption among their leaders, even U.S. has scandals on corruptions. look at the past president of Thailand. he was accused of money laundering. leaders in Philippines as well. most of the questionable cash from corrupt officials are believed to be protected in the Swiss bank.
Dmire: Is poverty in the 3rd world countries , usually refered as 'developing countries' due to their mismanagement of their resources?
I can say as much as India is concerned its poverty is because of the corruption and rapid growth. There is so much of money in this country but there is utter poverty too. The money is not actually going down and distributed to the whole sections of the society but that is a part of the growth curve and I hope this will be even out soon . Each country has its own reason to remain poor and rich.
trish123: Whichever country you happen to be in, poverty is relative and corruption is rife. It doesnt matter how they try to hide it with their spin, the poor remain the poor the whole world over and whichever form of greed a particular regime utilises, it never benefits those who need it most or indeed, those who actually work the hardest to produce the goods i.e. the coffee or cocoa pickers, without whose efforts, the fat controllers wouldnt have their stock market to play with in the first place..........
DAVID HARDAKER: BHP declined the offer of an interview today, though the company says, with the benefit of hindsight, it would never have got into Ok Tedi. The company must now weigh its own profitability against its social and economic obligations to Papua New Guinea. Either way, the cost will be high.
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Ok Tedi mine creating acid problem
Posted Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:26pm AEDT
The managing director of a Papua New Guinea copper and gold mine has admitted that waste from the company's Ok Tedi project has started to generate acid and could cause huge environmental damage.
Keith Faulkner of Ok Tedi Mining confirmed that company executives saw the effects of acid rock drainage along the Middle Fly River in the western province last year.
Acid rock drainage usually exposes sulfide bearing tailings to air and water, forming sulfuric and other acids.
The Ok Tedi mine was previously majority owned by Australian mining giant BHP Billiton, but the company sold its 52 per cent stake to largely Papua New Guinea entities because of concerns over its environmental impact.
The largest private listed stakeholder in the mine is now Canada's Inmet Mining Corporation, which holds 18 per cent.
and the bodies are starting to dawn just now...........its a pity those guys arent around to spend their pay-packets eh????
Established in 1875, Gunns Limited is a long standing Australian business. Australia's largest integrated hardwood and softwood forest products company, Gunns Limited comprises three divisions: The Tasmanian Parliament has heard that aerial spraying on a forestry plantation of Gunns Limited in the north-east has contaminated the drinking water of a neighbouring property.
and this is what has happened to a small town where near where they were spraying~~
The leader of the Tasmanian Greens, Peg Putt, says Gunns gave a Mr and Mrs Carpenter of Wyena two bottles of spring water when told of the contamination.
Ms Putt has told Parliament the couple were told yesterday by a Government official that their drinking water contains atrazine above guideline levels.
Ms Putt has asked Premier Paul Lennon whether he is aware that the official told the Carpenters to stop drinking the water and contact Gunns, which contracted the helicopter aerial spraying.
"Are you further aware that when the representative of Gunns Limited was informed his response yesterday was to drive around to Mr and Mrs Carpenter's house and give them two bottles of spring water and say he would be back in touch today?" she asked.
The Minister for Primary Industries, Steve Kons, says Gunns has been warned about the matter and told that if there are further instances it will be prosecuted.
rocketqueen: here is all about gunns forrestry ltd~
Established in 1875, Gunns Limited is a long standing Australian business. Australia's largest integrated hardwood and softwood forest products company, Gunns Limited comprises three divisions: The Tasmanian Parliament has heard that aerial spraying on a forestry plantation of Gunns Limited in the north-east has contaminated the drinking water of a neighbouring property.and this is what has happened to a small town where near where they were spraying~~
The leader of the Tasmanian Greens, Peg Putt, says Gunns gave a Mr and Mrs Carpenter of Wyena two bottles of spring water when told of the contamination.
Ms Putt has told Parliament the couple were told yesterday by a Government official that their drinking water contains atrazine above guideline levels.
Ms Putt has asked Premier Paul Lennon whether he is aware that the official told the Carpenters to stop drinking the water and contact Gunns, which contracted the helicopter aerial spraying.
"Are you further aware that when the representative of Gunns Limited was informed his response yesterday was to drive around to Mr and Mrs Carpenter's house and give them two bottles of spring water and say he would be back in touch today?" she asked.
The Minister for Primary Industries, Steve Kons, says Gunns has been warned about the matter and told that if there are further instances it will be prosecuted.
sorry there were pieces missing here we go again~
The Tasmanian Parliament has heard that aerial spraying on a forestry plantation of Gunns Limited in the north-east has contaminated the drinking water of a neighbouring property.
The leader of the Tasmanian Greens, Peg Putt, says Gunns gave a Mr and Mrs Carpenter of Wyena two bottles of spring water when told of the contamination.
Ms Putt has told Parliament the couple were told yesterday by a Government official that their drinking water contains atrazine above guideline levels.
Ms Putt has asked Premier Paul Lennon whether he is aware that the official told the Carpenters to stop drinking the water and contact Gunns, which contracted the helicopter aerial spraying.
"Are you further aware that when the representative of Gunns Limited was informed his response yesterday was to drive around to Mr and Mrs Carpenter's house and give them two bottles of spring water and say he would be back in touch today?" she asked.
The Minister for Primary Industries, Steve Kons, says Gunns has been warned about the matter and told that if there are further instances it will be prosecuted.
treesaregreen: although even by history, developing countries became poorer after they were exploited by developed countries. look at India, originally, it is one of the riches countries. Turkey and Egypt were also rich before including persia and look at them now after they were exploited. Although past is past, the developed countries contributed to the economic slack of most developing countries.
Define exploited, and perhaps we can have a real debate. The vast majority of the countries you named were hardly paradises of riches except for the elites-so to say that colonialism caused them to become poor is ridiculous. Colonial countries probably spent more money developing the means to extract commodities from foreign nations then they earned from them.
BebeII: Define exploited, and perhaps we can have a real debate. The vast majority of the countries you named were hardly paradises of riches except for the elites-so to say that colonialism caused them to become poor is ridiculous. Colonial countries probably spent more money developing the means to extract commodities from foreign nations then they earned from them.
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BebeII: Define exploited, and perhaps we can have a real debate. The vast majority of the countries you named were hardly paradises of riches except for the elites-so to say that colonialism caused them to become poor is ridiculous. Colonial countries probably spent more money developing the means to extract commodities from foreign nations then they earned from them.
A adjective 1 exploited developed or used to greatest advantage 2 exploited, ill-used, put-upon, used, victimized, victimised of persons; taken advantage of; "after going out of his way to help his friend get the job he felt not appreciated but used"
do you wish for me to start listing countries that have been exploited???????????? read the one I POSTED above about papua new guinea and BHP for a start^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
BEBE PLEASE READ........AND YOU FPR ONE IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE WORLD KNOW THE EXPLIOTATIONS OF WESTERN SOCIETY CAUSES MUCH HARM TO THE 3RD WORLD.............
rocketqueen: DAVID HARDAKER: BHP declined the offer of an interview today, though the company says, with the benefit of hindsight, it would never have got into Ok Tedi. The company must now weigh its own profitability against its social and economic obligations to Papua New Guinea. Either way, the cost will be high.and more
Ok Tedi mine creating acid problem
Posted Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:26pm AEDT
The managing director of a Papua New Guinea copper and gold mine has admitted that waste from the company's Ok Tedi project has started to generate acid and could cause huge environmental damage.
Keith Faulkner of Ok Tedi Mining confirmed that company executives saw the effects of acid rock drainage along the Middle Fly River in the western province last year.
Acid rock drainage usually exposes sulfide bearing tailings to air and water, forming sulfuric and other acids.
The Ok Tedi mine was previously majority owned by Australian mining giant BHP Billiton, but the company sold its 52 per cent stake to largely Papua New Guinea entities because of concerns over its environmental impact.
The largest private listed stakeholder in the mine is now Canada's Inmet Mining Corporation, which holds 18 per cent.
and the bodies are starting to dawn just now...........its a pity those guys arent around to spend their pay-packets eh????
rocketqueen: BEBE PLEASE READ........AND YOU FPR ONE IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE WORLD KNOW THE EXPLIOTATIONS OF WESTERN SOCIETY CAUSES MUCH HARM TO THE 3RD WORLD.............
3rd world countries aren't required to sell their resources. They could just "sit" on them. Makes no difference to me.
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