Yes, I voted for them they are following my wishes
5
8%
Yes I voted therefore I accept what they are doing
5
8%
Yes I didn't vote but accept what they are doing
3
5%
No, I voted for something different to be done
17
27%
No I was not asked or informed this would be done
9
15%
No I believe they have lied to me
20
32%
Really don't give a toasted sandwich
3
5%
Total Votes
62
At the end of WWII the people of Germany were held collectively responsible for the atrocities committed by their 'government/dictatorship' should we accept responsibility for what our country does in our name?
Iuchi_Zien: At the end of WWII the people of Germany were held collectively responsible for the atrocities committed by their 'government/dictatorship' should we accept responsibility for what our country does in our name?
Common people are easy to manipulate ,with ...that`s no secret... so.. a often repeated lie ,becomes a "science " fact
every country is manipulating with their citizens ...one way or another are we responsible for it ???? should be take the blame ???
Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
Iuchi_Zien: At the end of WWII the people of Germany were held collectively responsible for the atrocities committed by their 'government/dictatorship' should we accept responsibility for what our country does in our name?
I think every citizzen of a country should be held responsible whether they voted or not. An abstention to vote is basically a no vote or a vote that says you do not agree with any of the political parties.
The only option to not being held responsible for your countries politics is to move country.
Easy for some to say...... Those who are fortunate enough to be able to make that move. I moved for a better life for my family, as I prefferred the Italian lifestyle..... I am one of the fortunate ones, able to do so.
Iuchi_Zien: At the end of WWII the people of Germany were held collectively responsible for the atrocities committed by their 'government/dictatorship' should we accept responsibility for what our country does in our name?
of cause yes, you should. you benefit from the good actions so why can't take the ugly too? Let me go direct, I believe that if Germany had to pay for it, Saddam had to pay for it, then you should be forced to pay for what you did in iraq.
Oooh you are from the UK? I guess you will have many damages to pay for, never mind you will call it civilisations, colonisations or britanization, but I am sure your victims should be allow to have case ageist you. But Sadly, you are the one who set the rules and then play the game, so you must be a winner before you play.
Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
somone4u: of cause yes, you should. you benefit from the good actions so why can't take the ugly too? Let me go direct, I believe that if Germany had to pay for it, Saddam had to pay for it, then you should be forced to pay for what you did in iraq.
Oooh you are from the UK? I guess you will have many damages to pay for, never mind you will call it civilisations, colonisations or britanization, but I am sure your victims should be allow to have case ageist you. But Sadly, you are the one who set the rules and then play the game, so you must be a winner before you play.
When you point the finger... look on the hand that is doing the pointing, and notice how many fingers are pointing back at you.
France has never had any colonies, has it Napolean is just a figment of our imagination
kiwi69: Parodox no#1 Democracy- as in communism as in "WE", are "you" responsible for a Dictatorship as in "Bush", hardly a comparrison even if Jed said so
But surely the US people are responsible for Bush, OK he got into power with some VERY questionable tactics but the people LET him. If there had been the kind of unrest that occurred in the Ukraine do you honestly believe JWB would have been president?
somone4u: Mr since a preschool Chile is the only one who have to be taught how to use the words then a mature like you should not only be recognize by the size of the body, but responsibility on the mind is dire need.
I just didn't like the tone of your post............ the fact in life is that there are winners nad there are losers (fairly or unfairly) and it gets really really boring after a few decades to hear the same old whinings - ok?
RobertC2: That's because it's a hard question and difficult to answer!
Must admit I haven't voted because I really don't know if I should be held responsible for an act which involved deliberate lies and subterfuge. I really am not sure.
Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
Iuchi_Zien: Must admit I haven't voted because I really don't know if I should be held responsible for an act which involved deliberate lies and subterfuge. I really am not sure.
I am not sure either, but what I am sure is, that you have the power to do something about it now. If enough people feel strongly about it, then get the politicians out !
Great question/answer ie "who's voting & who's not" democracy in it's purest form. If I voted and you didn't like my responce would you accept democracy?
kiwi69: Great question/answer ie "who's voting & who's not" democracy in it's purest form. If I voted and you didn't like my responce would you accept democracy?
Buy the way, who's more Democratic, The UN Sanctions per majority or .......?
Englishman55: Isn't that the way of politics...... many have an opinion but very few vote.....
The only ones that bother me are those that don't vote, then whine about the result afterwords.
Sometimes I choose not to vote......... so I don't whine when 100's of thousands died to give me the right to vote; but it's often a very hard choice and I don't feel strong enough as a personality to have the determination to try and change the world we live in.
I guess in some ways the Americans have a point in that some argue that the right to bear arms gives them the ability to overthrow a government if they get really pissed off and decide to have a revolution.
As Brits we tend to believe we don't need to revolt and are quite revolting enough as we are - thank you very much; however, before I joined the Army, I was entertained to lunch by a serving General and he told me that the top brass of the Forces had been seriously overthrowing the then disastrous Labour government of the day!
RobertC2: Sometimes I choose not to vote......... so I don't whine when 100's of thousands died to give me the right to vote; but it's often a very hard choice and I don't feel strong enough as a personality to have the determination to try and change the world we live in.
I guess in some ways the Americans have a point in that some argue that the right to bear arms gives them the ability to overthrow a government if they get really pissed off and decide to have a revolution.
As Brits we tend to believe we don't need to revolt and are quite revolting enough as we are - thank you very much; however, before I joined the Army, I was entertained to lunch by a serving General and he told me that the top brass of the Forces had been seriously overthrowing the then disastrous Labour government of the day!
Now THAT would have been fun!
"I was entertained to lunch by a serving General and he told me that the top brass of the Forces had been seriously THINKING OF overthrowing the then disastrous Labour government of the day!"
somone4u: Mr since a preschool Chile is the only one who have to be taught how to use the words then a mature like you should not only be recognize by the size of the body, but responsibility on the mind is dire need.
Zambe insulting People again in his own Inimitable Fashion?
Englishman55: I am not sure either, but what I am sure is, that you have the power to do something about it now. If enough people feel strongly about it, then get the politicians out !
That's called 'anarchy'........ the original anarchists were a very peaceful lot and their philosophy certainly was/is, but we tend to associate the name with a bunch of hooligans!
kiwi69: Great question/answer ie "who's voting & who's not" democracy in it's purest form. If I voted and you didn't like my responce would you accept democracy?
If I don't vote in 'your' democracy should I be bound by it?
It also opens the question that weren't the UK bombers responsible for the acts they protested (by killing themselves and others) about? Or like me could they hedge their bets and say I was lied to I'm not responsible.
Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
kiwi69: Great question/answer ie "who's voting & who's not" democracy in it's purest form. If I voted and you didn't like my responce would you accept democracy?
RobertC2: "I was entertained to lunch by a serving General and he told me that the top brass of the Forces had been seriously THINKING OF overthrowing the then disastrous Labour government of the day!"
Well said, I'm sure ANZACS feel the same way, by the way do you realize that NZ lost more soldiers per population than any-other country during WW1/WW2 bar Russia.
Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
kiwi69: Well said, I'm sure ANZACS feel the same way, by the way do you realize that NZ lost more soldiers per population than any-other country during WW1/WW2 bar Russia.
Yes, I did know that, and I have a great respect and admiration for the Kiwi's along with the Poles for the sacrifices you made.
Along with the many other allies that layed down their lives for democracy.
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