aguylookingforu: well tom why yes ...give me liberty or give me death
But your life, liberty and happiness is threatened if Islamic terrorism expands in the country. Yes?
And during Jefferson day.....they had several 100 Americans taken by the Barbari pirates that were be held in Islamic prisons. Not exactly a nice place. But how much difference is that to the foreign 1000 crewmen held Somalia by the Somolian pirate of today? Not much except the food is better and the torture is less.
Our founding father formed a Army and Navy to protect and defend the country. If was a US Army staffer doing the pat down at the airport security instead of TSA.....that is still in the defense of the country....considering how aircraft have been used to attack it.
All they (Congress) did with the Patriot act was to form a new agency specific and mandated for this defense. And gave it the funding, resources and the direction to operate.
And many US government agencies have specific area to protect the country. Custom...the inspect of goods and person entering the country. The CIA to collect intelligence on foreign threats. The Agri Department to protect and make safe the food supply of the country. Each one operates under a Congressional legislated mandate.
While part of these mandates might be unConsituational...not proven till you have the case raised in court can it be determined. Is the Patriot act perfectly Constitutional? No. None of it is. There is not a mandating piece of legislation that fits all the criteria of Constitutionality. But do you want to do away with them? To the potential lost of your life, liberty and happiness?
We have to be as practical as our founding fathers were. If they had the chance to employ battle carrier group to defeat the British fleet, they would have done it. They used American slang to weed out British spies. But we cannot use biometrics of today to weed out a incoming Islamic terrorist? Because it not mentioned in the Constitution?
By the way...a great question to ask your REP...why we citizens will have bio metric passports but those entering the country don't have bio metric visa? Because back in 2001 soon after 911, this lad proposed biometric visas to them.
T-Storm here this boy is shutting down. Good stuff. Nite all
ActractorguyTims Ford Lake, Tennessee USA2,089 posts
ttom500: But your life, liberty and happiness is threatened if Islamic terrorism expands in the country. Yes?
And during Jefferson day.....they had several 100 Americans taken by the Barbari pirates that were be held in Islamic prisons. Not exactly a nice place. But how much difference is that to the foreign 1000 crewmen held Somalia by the Somolian pirate of today? Not much except the food is better and the torture is less.
Our founding father formed a Army and Navy to protect and defend the country. If was a US Army staffer doing the pat down at the airport security instead of TSA.....that is still in the defense of the country....considering how aircraft have been used to attack it.
All they (Congress) did with the Patriot act was to form a new agency specific and mandated for this defense. And gave it the funding, resources and the direction to operate.
And many US government agencies have specific area to protect the country. Custom...the inspect of goods and person entering the country. The CIA to collect intelligence on foreign threats. The Agri Department to protect and make safe the food supply of the country. Each one operates under a Congressional legislated mandate.
While part of these mandates might be unConsituational...not proven till you have the case raised in court can it be determined. Is the Patriot act perfectly Constitutional? No. None of it is. There is not a mandating piece of legislation that fits all the criteria of Constitutionality. But do you want to do away with them? To the potential lost of your life, liberty and happiness?
We have to be as practical as our founding fathers were. If they had the chance to employ battle carrier group to defeat the British fleet, they would have done it. They used American slang to weed out British spies. But we cannot use biometrics of today to weed out a incoming Islamic terrorist? Because it not mentioned in the Constitution?
By the way...a great question to ask your REP...why we citizens will have bio metric passports but those entering the country don't have bio metric visa? Because back in 2001 soon after 911, this lad proposed biometric visas to them.
T-Storm here this boy is shutting down. Good stuff. Nite all
I'd do away with every law if it meant my freedom. Laws are meant to control the ones who don't cause trouble TT. Just think. How many law abiding people break the law. I don't know of a single one. As I like to say. You can only get yourself in trouble no one else can do it for you.
A woman from Los Angeles , CA who was a tree hugger, a Democrat, and an anti-hunter, purchased a piece of timberland near Colville , WA . There was a large tree on one of the highest points in the tract. She wanted a good view of the natural splendor of her land so she started to climb the big tree. As she neared the top she encountered a spotted owl that attacked her. In her haste to escape, the woman slid down the tree to the ground and got many splinters in her crotch.
In considerable pain, she hurried to Mt. Carmel ER to see a doctor. She told him she was an environmentalist, a democrat, and an anti-hunter and how she came to get all the splinters. The doctor listened to her story with great patience and then told her to go wait in the examining room and he would see if he could help her.
She sat and waited three hours before the doctor reappeared. The angry woman demanded, "What took you so long?" He smiled and then told her, "Well, I had to get permits from the Environmental Protection Agency, the Forest Service, and the Bureau of Land Management before I could remove old-growth timber from a recreational area. I'm sorry, but due to Obama Care, they turned me down."
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! IN 2 YEARS THE DO NOTHING CONSERVATIVES ARE GOING DOWN THE TOILET AGAIN. OBAMA IS GOING TO FIX THE MESS THEY MADE OF THE ECONONMY!!!
raphael118: GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! IN 2 YEARS THE DO NOTHING CONSERVATIVES ARE GOING DOWN THE TOILET AGAIN. OBAMA IS GOING TO FIX THE MESS THEY MADE OF THE ECONONMY!!!
The clock is ticking. He's had 232,693,210 seconds since elected.
raphael118: GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! IN 2 YEARS THE DO NOTHING CONSERVATIVES ARE GOING DOWN THE TOILET AGAIN. OBAMA IS GOING TO FIX THE MESS THEY MADE OF THE ECONONMY!!!
Actractorguy: I'd do away with every law if it meant my freedom. Laws are meant to control the ones who don't cause trouble TT. Just think. How many law abiding people break the law. I don't know of a single one. As I like to say. You can only get yourself in trouble no one else can do it for you.
i had to go smoke but just wanted to say, i'm with you there....
ActractorguyTims Ford Lake, Tennessee USA2,089 posts
raphael118: GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! IN 2 YEARS THE DO NOTHING CONSERVATIVES ARE GOING DOWN THE TOILET AGAIN. OBAMA IS GOING TO FIX THE MESS THEY MADE OF THE ECONONMY!!!
raphael118: GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! IN 2 YEARS THE DO NOTHING CONSERVATIVES ARE GOING DOWN THE TOILET AGAIN. OBAMA IS GOING TO FIX THE MESS THEY MADE OF THE ECONONMY!!!
Oh really now.Gotta news flash for you.It took both parties to get us in the messes we've always been in and it's going to take both parties getting off their dead arses to fix those messes.
jlw45: there are alot of doctors who see right through the so called health care bill...you ever notice how when cnn, or the like, have these doctors on there panel arguing for the bill, they always have on a white smock...??.... ...i just think it's funny...
I've heard that a lot of docs will be leaving their profession. It'll be interesting to see...
raphael118: GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! IN 2 YEARS THE DO NOTHING CONSERVATIVES ARE GOING DOWN THE TOILET AGAIN. OBAMA IS GOING TO FIX THE MESS THEY MADE OF THE ECONONMY!!!
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But your life, liberty and happiness is threatened if Islamic terrorism expands in the country. Yes?
And during Jefferson day.....they had several 100 Americans taken by the Barbari pirates that were be held in Islamic prisons. Not exactly a nice place. But how much difference is that to the foreign 1000 crewmen held Somalia by the Somolian
pirate of today? Not much except the food is better and the torture is less.
Our founding father formed a Army and Navy to protect and defend the country. If was a US Army staffer doing the pat down at the airport security instead of TSA.....that is still in the defense of the country....considering how aircraft have been used to attack it.
All they (Congress) did with the Patriot act was to form a new agency specific and mandated for this defense. And gave it the funding, resources and the direction to operate.
And many US government agencies have specific area to protect the country. Custom...the inspect of goods and person entering the country. The CIA to collect intelligence on foreign threats. The Agri Department to protect and make safe the food supply of the country. Each one operates under a Congressional legislated mandate.
While part of these mandates might be unConsituational...not proven till you have the case raised in court can it be determined. Is the Patriot act perfectly Constitutional? No. None of it is. There is not a mandating piece of legislation that fits all the criteria of Constitutionality. But do you want to do away with them? To the potential lost of your life, liberty and happiness?
We have to be as practical as our founding fathers were. If they had the chance to employ battle carrier group to defeat the British fleet, they would have done it. They used American slang to weed out British spies. But we cannot use biometrics of today to weed out a incoming Islamic terrorist? Because it not mentioned in the Constitution?
By the way...a great question to ask your REP...why we citizens will have bio metric passports but those entering the country don't have bio metric visa? Because back in 2001 soon after 911, this lad proposed biometric visas to them.
T-Storm here this boy is shutting down. Good stuff. Nite all