I think the Carbon Tax is - ( Archived) (69)

Darkhorseman: Joh would be too busy counting his brown paper bags ... but the point is, neither Pauline H nor Joh BP are mental giants and they wouldn't try to convince us to accept a Carbon Tax. So HOW DUMB is our Prime Minister?

Wysterious: That woman makes my skin crawl - worst of all - her ears are so floppy they swing in the gentlest of breezes. She is a backstabber, a liar and fundamentally dishonest. (Yep - she is a politician but she is totally inadequate) - I am embarrassed that she is Australia's representative and those who voted her in should be ashamed of themselves. I think the term woman Prime Minister is a term that should only be applied to an intelligent female - not one that sounds like she should have a lead role in Kath & Kim.
ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH and worst worst worst worst of all my name is Julia

starcrossfish: I started voting 5 yrs ago...YEAP...i got away with it for 16yrs!!....never trusted any of them...BUT...have alway's thought if i did vote, i'd vote labour due to their 'hand's up' for union's nod...i listen to ABC and BBC new's on the radio... these commercial station's for new's are CRAP!!...they purposely feed the majority of us thing's to stir people up...anyway...i'm still doing my homework on this one...can i suggest people listen to these new's broadcast's from ABC and BBC, you WILL get the FULL STORY....there's also ALOT of thing's going on around the world, we could learn more about....which COMMERCIAL new's DOES NOT feed us...THERE'S a reason for that.

Darkhorseman: I don't know that the Tax is actually "illegal" or "against the Constitution" but I am willing to listen and be informed. If it is illegal in anyway we won't need to wait to vote the barstards out to squash it.

Carbon Credits is a concept where you can create reusable energy generation and claim RECs (reusable energy credits). For instance, You can install a grid connected small solar generation plant (Solar cells and invertor) and feed energy back into the power grid and get allocated RECs for them. At this time you would get around 1700 RECs for a plant installed on the Sunshine Coast Qld. Each REC was valued at around $50.00 when they first started the scheme. Then the government decided to include Solar Hot water systems into the scheme. The price of a REC fell to around $25.00 ... as industry has understood how they will need to buy these RECs from someone the price has risen again to around $45.00. The RECs have to be traded through a REC bank. They cannot be traded directly from small reusable generation owner to industry user.

The power that you feed back into the power grid also has value. But the price has to be agreed by contract. At present, Power in Qld costs around 21 cents per unit (KW/Hour or one kilowatt for one hour) and reusable power is bought from the solar (or wind) generator for 51 cents per unit. In NSW Power was costing around 25 cents per unit and they were buying reuseable power at 60 cents per unit. There has recently been 55MW (Megawatts, million watts) of solar power connected and the NSW Government lowered the decreed rate to 20 cents.

Wysterious: I would have thought the sensible thing to do was to make that technology affordable and available to all of us and then tax the people/businesses that do not comply - instead we are to be taxed so we could not afford to make the changes as the government has already taken the money - oops accidentally slipped those funds into another wage increase for politicians!!!

Darkhorseman: And that is the crux of it.
Governments need ever increasing tax takes to cater for the ever increasing size of the public service payroll and superannuation liability. It wasn't a case of "if a GST" but how they would get a GST installed. Paul Keating tried to get it up but couldn't as his cabinet ministers knew it was electoral suicide. It had to wait for the more ruthless John Howard with his control of his front bench.

But still Howard couldn't get the broad-based tax he really needed. The GST was watered down by the exclusion of food, rent and education. Western governments need a tax on EVERYTHING that you do to live in civilization. The Carbon Tax is that tax. It even allows tax on tax which is every finance minister's dream.

You see, they don't have to pay to get to work, you pay for that and you'll pay the tax on it. They don't have to pay for their offices or accomadation in Canberra or their electorates. Yep, you pay for that and you'll pay the carbon tax on it. And they get 80% of their walk out salary on retiring in Superannuation. That is guaranteed no matter how their superannuation investments perform. And they do cost us. The increasing public service also costs us as public service grows and its salary bill grows with 6% and 7% per year increases as private Australians struggle to get 2% or 3% over several years.

kizzy27: I feel the tax is ridiculous only as it will have little or no impact on carbon emmissions reductions ,it will encourage manufacturers to import products like steel as it will be cheaper to but ofshore than right here this could potentially put our steel industry outta business ands at the same time create more emmisions ofshore so its not a reduction but a relocation, The only way a carbon tax cou;d be benificial would be if other importedcarbon heavy good be taxed proir to entry into australia , ofcourse the govement has no jurisdiction to impose a tax because of our trading agreements .
Reducing our carbon is a very big issue , its important to our planet but industry is important to our nation , There is no easy answer I feel more reasearch needs to go into this tax and the ramifications of it ,Its not the money I mean ide happily pay $10 a week to help reduce carbon emmissions but not to just move them ofshore ....dumb

kizzy27: I feel the tax is ridiculous only as it will have little or no impact on carbon emmissions reductions ,it will encourage manufacturers to import products like steel as it will be cheaper to but ofshore than right here this could potentially put our steel industry outta business ands at the same time create more emmisions ofshore so its not a reduction but a relocation, The only way a carbon tax cou;d be benificial would be if other importedcarbon heavy good be taxed proir to entry into australia , ofcourse the govement has no jurisdiction to impose a tax because of our trading agreements .
Reducing our carbon is a very big issue , its important to our planet but industry is important to our nation , There is no easy answer I feel more reasearch needs to go into this tax and the ramifications of it ,Its not the money I mean ide happily pay $10 a week to help reduce carbon emmissions but not to just move them ofshore ....dumb

kizzy27: Yes but we then produce the steel here , steel in the long term is a green industry, steel is renewable recyclable material but if we are taxed on the production sude here it will be cheaper to buy ofshore disableing our Australian indusry and NOT reducing the planets emmissions only Australias which are minute compared to offshore anyway

kizzy27: I feel the tax is ridiculous only as it will have little or no impact on carbon emmissions reductions ,it will encourage manufacturers to import products like steel as it will be cheaper to but ofshore than right here this could potentially put our steel industry outta business ands at the same time create more emmisions ofshore so its not a reduction but a relocation, The only way a carbon tax cou;d be benificial would be if other importedcarbon heavy good be taxed proir to entry into australia , ofcourse the govement has no jurisdiction to impose a tax because of our trading agreements .
Reducing our carbon is a very big issue , its important to our planet but industry is important to our nation , There is no easy answer I feel more reasearch needs to go into this tax and the ramifications of it ,Its not the money I mean ide happily pay $10 a week to help reduce carbon emmissions but not to just move them ofshore ....dumb

Oldbussy: only one thing wrong they dont get their super once the leave their jobs that was ouoltlawed a few years ago. So now thay have to wait untill they get tpo 55 like most of us have too.

akaRALF: absolutely

Wysterious: i work in the Australian steel industry and already cheap Asian imports are affecting Australian workers.