Conwad, Even one=armed rowers have a voice. And if that voice dosn't agree with you, name calling is not the answer. We won't tolerate it. After all I don't call you names do I?
UN chief convenes first meeting of panel appointed to investigate IDF flotilla raid, says members must seek ways to examine and identify circumstances, context of incident and recommend ways of avoiding future incidents
Yitzhak Benhorin Published: 08.10.10, 20:36 / Israel News share
WASHINGTON – UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon convened a panel investigating the IDF raid on a Gaza-bound flotilla Tuesday for the first time since the members were appointed.
UN spokesman Martin Nesirky did not rule out that the panel might seek to talk to IDF soldiers or officials from either side to seek information or clarification, though Israel has said it would not cooperate with any probe againstits soldiers.
Ban met former prime minister of New Zealand, Geoffrey Palmer, outgoing Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, Israeli representative Joseph Ciechanover, and Turkish delegate Özdem Sanberk at the UN Headquarters in New York.
In a statement to the press, Ban said the panel was "not designed to determine individual criminal responsibility, but to examine and identify the facts, circumstances and the context of the incident, as well as to recommend ways of avoiding future incidents".
On Tuesday evening the four panel members are set to hold their first work meeting. Ban stressed that as part of their task, they should "seek the fullest cooperation of the national authorities".
On Monday Ban denied having made any agreement with Israel stipulating that the panel would refrain from questioning military commanders.
Israel responded firmly to the secretary-general's denial, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reiterating that "Israel would not participate in any panel which wants to question IDF soldiers."
Lilly, Thank you so much for the complements at the end of the last Gaza aid thread. Your compassion radiates resolute!
Dear heart, I know you see no connection between fact and fantasy but I'll try and make this easy for you.
If there were plans to risist the IDF piracy do you think the defenders of the flotilla might, just maybe, have brought ,... a gun? Or maybe two guns!!! Or prehaps reconnasence equipment to prepare for the attack? Or, how about ,...oh,..nevermind sweety, you just don't get it do you. And please keep looking for that partner out there! Remember, theres someone somewhere just like you, looking for you!
A Jewish world organization was founded in 1912 on the German-Polish border with the specific purpose of fighting Zionism. This organization, Agudath Israel, "Union of Israel," was to represent the true Jewish people in the world and to unmask the unwarranted and unjust claims of the Zionists. Rabbis everywhere joined Agudath Israel, as did masses of observant Jews. Anti-Zionist congresses were convened in Vienna and in Marienbad. In countries such as Poland, Agudists were members of parliament. Under Agudah leadership more than 50 years ago, Jews in the Holy Land opposed to Zionism obtained permission from Britain, the mandatory power in Palestine, to declare in writing that they did not wish to be represented by the Zionists or any of their groups, particularly not by the Zionist quasi-governmental organizations such as the Va'ad Leumi, "National Council."
Shortly thereafter, Jacob de Haan, a former distinguished Dutch diplomat who was then leader of Agudath Israel in Palestine, initiated talks with Arab leaders with a view toward the eventual establishments of a state there in which Jews and Arabs would have equal rights. In this way he hoped to forestall the creation of a Zionist state. Despite threats to his life, de Haan, fully aware of the ultimate dangers of a Zionist state, continued his talks and negotiations. On the eve of his departure in 1924 for Britain to meet with authorities there, he was assassinated by the Haganah, the Zionist paramilitary force, in the center of Jerusalem as he came from evening prayers. More than a half a century ago, this devout and visionary Jew gave his life in a fight that he considered paramount, at a time when the world at large was still blind and deaf to the difficulties and problems that a future Zionist state would entail.
neither the founder of political zionism nor any of the prime ministers of the Zionist state believed in the divine origin of the torah nor even in the existence of god. all prime ministers were members of a party that opposed religion in principle and that considered the Bible a document of ancient folklore, devoid of any religious meaning. and yet these same zionists base their claim to the Holy Land on this same Bible, the divine origin of which they deny
You can fool some of the people some of the time But not all the people all of the time.
So Al, its not about you trying to belittle my position. It's not just "my" position.
I tried to introduce the concept of global prejudice.
You double-talked your way around and around that one.
We both know that Israel is many things. A nation, a tribe, an ideology, a religion. Many jews don't support Zionism. Many Palestinians don't support Hamas. Israel is digging herself a hole by alienating people around the world. You don't see this. It's in keeping with your "omnipotence". You feel as if there is no need to explain to anyone "why" Israel does as she does. Everyone else is just "other than" and with that omnipotence everyone else is irrelivant. Fodder.
This, sadly, is where your wrong Al. Because there are a whole lot more of us than there are of you, Al. Understand? Sure, your fruitcake, Netanyahu, has 200 plus nuclear warheads. But remember Al, When that button is pushed, there's no running away. They'll be no one to save with the world in a grave.
Be obstinant. Self-rightous. Show your bravado. It dosn't impress anyone Al. It kind of makes you look old and bewildered.
No one is buying into your dung. Sure, all the Bob and Weave tards like Lilly et al, chime in from time to time but we've already proven the "pact mentality" you folks use.
Classic display of one=sided reporting. Its all over the Public Broadcast Stations, Alberta. But then again "Fark the Public Broadcast Stations" right?
The United Nations inquiry in to the flotilla slaughter has threatened to drop it's investigation because Israel won't let the commitee interview IDF involved in the attack.
The rocket attacks are predominantly individual acts following mostly perssonal agenda. Israel continues to interpret this as "warfare" so as to continue her "annexing" scam.
Then of course, theres the occasional vist by the IDF with their state of the art killing machines and they slaughter a thousand or so, women and children included.
As much as you folks try and try to paint this picture of me as a radical,..you expose yourself..and your position as being, sophomoric, childlike. I say Israel behaves as if she is omnipotent. You call ME a liar?? It's so transparent.
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Conwad,Even one=armed rowers have a voice. And if that voice dosn't agree with you, name calling is not the answer. We won't tolerate it. After all I don't call you names do I?