HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ?????? ( Archived) (106)

Aug 3, 2010 2:22 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
umeakuka
umeakukaumeakukaDalian, Liaoning China4 Threads 2 Polls 19 Posts
just few days ago, the US president, Barrack Obama, announced that over 50,000 US troops fighting in Irag are gonna be withdrawn from Iraq........

However, the insurgents have not been totally subdued, instead, they keep growing and waxing stronger by each moment of the day... statistics has it, that the Iraqi war has cost the US over 700billion dollars since the US led invasion in 1993, and over 400/800billion dollars, will be spent in the next four years due to the aftermath of this war........

Now, the US, is withdrawing its troops, even when the masterminds (Osama Bin Laden) and his conspirators are still alive and basking in euphoric shouts of victory........

Now, the big questions are,
- HAVE AL QAEDA WON THE WAR????????
- WHATS GONNA BE THE AFTERMATH OF WITHDRAWAL OF US TROOPS?????
- WITHDRAWING TROOPS FROM IRAQ, IS THAT THE BEST DECISION OR IS IT A SIGN OF FAILURE??????????

conversing conversing
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Aug 3, 2010 2:42 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
umeakuka:
However, the insurgents have not been totally subdued, instead, they keep growing and waxing stronger by each moment of the day...


I'd like to see your information to support that as from what I know the insurgents have gotten weaker and the Iraqi government and security forces stronger which, is what the US withdrawal schedule is based on.

umeakuka: statistics has it, that the Iraqi war has cost the US over 700billion dollars since the US led invasion in 1993, and over 400/800billion dollars, will be spent in the next four years due to the aftermath of this war........



oooo kay. Not sure what this has to do with your post but .....

umeakuka: Now, the US, is withdrawing its troops, even when the masterminds (Osama Bin Laden) and his conspirators are still alive and basking in euphoric shouts of victory........


Osama Bin Laden didn't have anything to do with the Iraq war although the Iraq invasion was certainly part of the US strategy to present a new front to defeat Qutbism as part of the War on Terror. it actually went one way - to the disadvantage of jihadists and their Qutbist masters.

umeakuka: Now, the big questions are,
- HAVE AL QAEDA WON THE WAR????????


Nope. They are marginalized and are a far weaker force than they were with all goals except their survival as a loose and far reduced in capability terrorist organization from what they were pre 911.


umeakuka: - WHATS GONNA BE THE AFTERMATH OF WITHDRAWAL OF US TROOPS?????


Iraqi security forces take full control with fifty thousand US forces hopefully playing pool and training while things quiet down. If need be, those troops are fully capable of providing the aid required to the Iraqi security forces.

umeakuka:
- WITHDRAWING TROOPS FROM IRAQ, IS THAT THE BEST DECISION OR IS IT A SIGN OF FAILURE??????????


It's a sign of success!
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Aug 3, 2010 3:14 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
umeakuka
umeakukaumeakukaDalian, Liaoning China4 Threads 2 Polls 19 Posts
Albertaghost: I'd like to see your information to support that as from what I know the insurgents have gotten weaker and the Iraqi government and security forces stronger which, is what the US withdrawal schedule is based on.

oooo kay. Not sure what this has to do with your post but .....
Osama Bin Laden didn't have anything to do with the Iraq war although the Iraq invasion was certainly part of the US strategy to present a new front to defeat Qutbism as part of the War on Terror. it actually went one way - to the disadvantage of jihadists and their Qutbist masters.
Nope. They are marginalized and are a far weaker force than they were with all goals except their survival as a loose and far reduced in capability terrorist organization from what they were pre 911.

Iraqi security forces take full control with fifty thousand US forces hopefully playing pool and training while things quiet down. If need be, those troops are fully capable of providing the aid required to the Iraqi security forces.
It's a sign of success!


hey Albert, even Hilary Clinton, in her own speech admitted that the militants are gaining momemtum, and that possibilities of them being completely subdued is unlikely......also, withdrawing the whole US troops from Iraq is no sign of success, its just that Obama wants to keep his promise and the major reason for doing so is becos the US have lost over 4500soldiers cos of the war.......i think they dont want to lose more......
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Aug 3, 2010 3:21 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
umeakuka: hey Albert, even Hilary Clinton, in her own speech admitted that the militants are gaining momemtum, and that possibilities of them being completely subdued is unlikely......


Of course. It's the ME and, with a hundred different groups of malcontents, there never will be total peace there. name a country in the ME that doesn't have an insurgent or militent problem.

umeakuka: also, withdrawing the whole US troops from Iraq is no sign of success,


Fifty thousand troops are staying. Thought you knew that.

umeakuka: its just that Obama wants to keep his promise and the major reason for doing so is becos the US have lost over 4500soldiers cos of the war.......i think they dont want to lose more......


He is carrying on with Bush's plan to have a phased withdrawal contingent on the state of affairs in Iraq. That is why the lowering of troop strength from one hundred thirty to fifty thousand is a sign of success. Obama wishes to ensure that all is not lost for political expediency in his silly campaign promises as he knows he has already broken them since it is way past sixteen months but, he knows that he has to ensure Iraq does not fail hence, the reclassifying of one third of the troops to 'support' status.
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Aug 3, 2010 3:36 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
umeakuka: hey Albert, even Hilary Clinton, in her own speech admitted that the militants are gaining momemtum, and that possibilities of them being completely subdued is unlikely......also, withdrawing the whole US troops from Iraq is no sign of success, its just that Obama wants to keep his promise and the major reason for doing so is becos the US have lost over 4500soldiers cos of the war.......i think they dont want to lose more......
who says AL US-Forces will be withdrawn?laugh
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Aug 3, 2010 3:36 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
Conrad73: who says AL US-Forces will be withdrawn?
ALL that is!grin
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Aug 3, 2010 3:41 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
Toekiss4u
Toekiss4uToekiss4uScappoose, Oregon USA7 Threads 215 Posts
umeakuka: just few days ago, the US president, Barrack Obama, announced that over 50,000 US troops fighting in Irag are gonna be withdrawn from Iraq........

However, the insurgents have not been totally subdued, instead, they keep growing and waxing stronger by each moment of the day... statistics has it, that the Iraqi war has cost the US over 700billion dollars since the US led invasion in 1993, and over 400/800billion dollars, will be spent in the next four years due to the aftermath of this war........

Now, the US, is withdrawing its troops, even when the masterminds (Osama Bin Laden) and his conspirators are still alive and basking in euphoric shouts of victory........

Now, the big questions are,
- HAVE AL QAEDA WON THE WAR????????
- WHATS GONNA BE THE AFTERMATH OF WITHDRAWAL OF US TROOPS?????
- WITHDRAWING TROOPS FROM IRAQ, IS THAT THE BEST DECISION OR IS IT A SIGN OF FAILURE??????????


Smoke and mirrors.. to keep the sheep [media watchers] entertained and busy whilst the Luciferian priesthood prepares for the up and coming blackout of the entire grid.
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Aug 3, 2010 4:55 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Sign of success,my foot. Do you remember Vietnam? Run Summy Run, like a dog, your tail between your legs,remember the nuclear weapons of Saddam (never found),and Landen in Afganistan(never found), when US is going to learn,that people all over the globe, are not against the American people, they are against the unjust policies of the US goverment.- Pulling the troops out of Afganistan?? why so soon??Nobody read that you cannt win in this country.- A proverb in my country say, " If you do the same mistake twice,you are not a wise person", thats why the US goverment has become the laughing stock,repeating stupidity in world afairs,time after time.-
Albertaghost: I'd like to see your information to support that as from what I know the insurgents have gotten weaker and the Iraqi government and security forces stronger which, is what the US withdrawal schedule is based on.

oooo kay. Not sure what this has to do with your post but .....
Osama Bin Laden didn't have anything to do with the Iraq war although the Iraq invasion was certainly part of the US strategy to present a new front to defeat Qutbism as part of the War on Terror. it actually went one way - to the disadvantage of jihadists and their Qutbist masters.
Nope. They are marginalized and are a far weaker force than they were with all goals except their survival as a loose and far reduced in capability terrorist organization from what they were pre 911.

Iraqi security forces take full control with fifty thousand US forces hopefully playing pool and training while things quiet down. If need be, those troops are fully capable of providing the aid required to the Iraqi security forces.
It's a sign of success!
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Aug 3, 2010 5:22 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
chris27292729: Sign of success,my foot. Do you remember Vietnam? Run Summy Run, like a dog, your tail between your legs,remember the nuclear weapons of Saddam (never found),and Landen in Afganistan(never found), when US is going to learn,that people all over the globe, are not against the American people, they are against the unjust policies of the US goverment.- Pulling the troops out of Afganistan?? why so soon??Nobody read that you cannt win in this country.- A proverb in my country say, " If you do the same mistake twice,you are not a wise person", thats why the US goverment has become the laughing stock,repeating stupidity in world afairs,time after time.-


You know me Conrad....I got to do it again............

what do you call 500 ton of yellowcake ore that located in Irag. Later shipped to a Canadian processing firm for processing into safe reactor fuel rods? Yellow ake ore can be made into dirty nuc, and dirty nucs are considered a WMD.

Guess we have misinformed person here.......
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Aug 3, 2010 5:26 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
ttom500: You know me Conrad....I got to do it again............

what do you call 500 ton of yellowcake ore that located in Irag. Later shipped to a Canadian processing firm for processing into safe reactor fuel rods? Yellow ake ore can be made into dirty nuc, and dirty nucs are considered a WMD.

Guess we have misinformed person here.......
still wonder what went NW to Syria in those Trucks at the beginning of the War!confused
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Aug 3, 2010 5:40 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Conrad73: still wonder what went NW to Syria in those Trucks at the beginning of the War!


Well the coin flip here is between the Iraqi treasury and Sadam's chemical and biologic weapons. Maybe both?

But let us not talk Assad having any WMDs. The last time the Israeli heard that rumor.....a square 4 story building supposedly used for irrigation in a remote area of Syria was made target practice.....when they got a chance afterward to look down into destroyed building with satellite imagery....they found a illegal nuclear reactor.

They must have been heating the water prior to putting it on the field to grow crops......laugh
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Aug 3, 2010 5:41 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Bush puplicly admitted no nuclear weapons found,as about the Syrians, why donnt you force them for evidence,as weel the Canadians.- Puplic evidence not hearsay.
Conrad73: still wonder what went NW to Syria in those Trucks at the beginning of the War!
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Aug 3, 2010 5:44 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
chris27292729: Bush puplicly admitted no nuclear weapons found,as about the Syrians, why donnt you force them for evidence,as weel the Canadians.- Puplic evidence not hearsay.
Actually a matter of Record that the Canadians processed that Yellow-Cake!
Also Videos exist of those Trucks bailing out to Syria.
Couldn't be pursued because of the action of a "LOYAL" NATO-Member in the Region!
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Aug 3, 2010 6:00 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
strict
strictstricttehran, Iran5 Threads 2,018 Posts
Conrad73: who says AL US-Forces will be withdrawn?
what a nice mistakelaugh
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Aug 3, 2010 6:20 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Puplic evidence,where somebody can go on the internet and dig out the Canadian goverment files. Puplic evidence not hearsay.This is a puplic evidence.-- Tha CIA director, admitted puplicly, after a few months of the invading forces in Iraq,that no weapons of mass distraction found.- Declared war on a pretext,does not justified no war,by the way who declared war on the USA???.- The Iraqis or the Afgans???
Conrad73: Actually a matter of Record that the Canadians processed that Yellow-Cake!
Also Videos exist of those Trucks bailing out to Syria.
Couldn't be pursued because of the action of a "LOYAL" NATO-Member in the Region!
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Aug 3, 2010 6:32 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Toekiss4u: Smoke and mirrors.. to keep the sheep [media watchers] entertained and busy whilst the Luciferian priesthood prepares for the up and coming blackout of the entire grid.
thats what they are calling the taliban etc./satanist&were still in germany&japan etc.think usa will be gone no!no jobs here here to have a war.watch out iran/korea etc.if we get an R for prez
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Aug 3, 2010 6:39 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
bollywood
bollywoodbollywoodTRIVANDRUM, Kerala India53 Threads 2 Polls 973 Posts
umeakuka: just few days ago, the US president, Barrack Obama, announced that over 50,000 US troops fighting in Irag are gonna be withdrawn from Iraq........

However, the insurgents have not been totally subdued, instead, they keep growing and waxing stronger by each moment of the day... statistics has it, that the Iraqi war has cost the US over 700billion dollars since the US led invasion in 1993, and over 400/800billion dollars, will be spent in the next four years due to the aftermath of this war........

Now, the US, is withdrawing its troops, even when the masterminds (Osama Bin Laden) and his conspirators are still alive and basking in euphoric shouts of victory........

Now, the big questions are,
- HAVE AL QAEDA WON THE WAR????????
- WHATS GONNA BE THE AFTERMATH OF WITHDRAWAL OF US TROOPS?????
- WITHDRAWING TROOPS FROM IRAQ, IS THAT THE BEST DECISION OR IS IT A SIGN OF FAILURE??????????


Nobody has won any war . All so called victories and defeats are manipulated and written in the history books to suit vested interests . US is definitly not won this war. but the lifeof Iraq people and the peace in this region is definitly lost for ever.
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Aug 3, 2010 6:43 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Yes this "LOYAL" NATO-Member,is the beloved child of all the USA goverments after the 2nd WW. Who is going to listen to your "free Kurdistan" Conrad,or "free Cyprus" from 35,000 troops,who is obstracting the peace process there?? the Greeks?? having resign that they lost their homes,and there is no hope of regain them.- As i sais,globally the people are not against the American people, they are against their onesided polycies.-
Conrad73: Actually a matter of Record that the Canadians processed that Yellow-Cake!
Also Videos exist of those Trucks bailing out to Syria.
Couldn't be pursued because of the action of a "LOYAL" NATO-Member in the Region!
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Aug 3, 2010 7:11 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
chris27292729: Bush puplicly admitted no nuclear weapons found,as about the Syrians, why donnt you force them for evidence,as weel the Canadians.- Puplic evidence not hearsay.


Sometimes you just need to stay quiet about things......maybe GWB did not want the world thinking dirty nucs when he had two hot wars going on?

Here is a blog on it



by the way....the thing about making dirty nucs is....you don't need HEU material or even LEU material. You just add enough of even a low grade ore to the to make it radioactive dirty nuc. You want to make it hotter....you just add more low grade material. 500t of even low grade yellowcake....is likely about 6-8 nuclear cores when processed.

It depends on their kilo size and processng method. But what the heck...Sadam would have never made nuclear processing facilities for making nuclear cores. He was too nice a guy for that......

You know what I finding interesting. GWB talked about Iran's growing nuclear proliferation of nuclear materials and processes. Liberals at the time assaulted him by getting the 'facts' wrong.

Obama comes out and shows satellite imagery of a hidden Iranian nuclear site near Qom, that supports GWB claims. Now we got Obama's DoD talking about thier contingency plans for strikes on Iran nuclear facilities. But hey....President A is too nice guy to use his nuclear facilities for making nuclear cores......
and Obama is too nice a guy to do a preemptive strike on Iran nuclear facilities.
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Aug 3, 2010 7:20 AM CST HAVE AL QAEDA WON D WAR IN IRAQ??????
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
Al-Qaeda havn't won but we havn't won neither. Iraq has just swapped Saddam for another group of militarists/Nationalists that appear to be on our side, for now.
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