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RE: Hidden messages from CS....

Big Brother is watching every step

My natural is a loving ignorance to all they collect and assume out of this "GUINIA PIG SORT OF RESEARCH " thats all what we are in here anyway

WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

(Lillylady)

Maybe from where you live - you have not noticed that the whole world has taken NOTICE - Europe - the Americas - Asia and all the others watching unbelivable happenings - more than in the US - they where busy - time was choosen on holidays and election of Obama !
You are seemingly not connected to the whole world picture at all -you spit hatered for Arab people calling all terrorists - sounds familiar to the bushies.. - what makes you stand for nothing but senseless Zionistic believe - Hey but in the same time you claim to be a pacific Humanitarian ?

Where you think is the real reason for Israel bombing and bulldozing so many homes of palestinans plentyfull also in the surroundings of Jerusalem and the Westbank, including the "New Israeli Residential Areas" land of Palestinian out-skirts right at hand to the thiefs, namely the Orchards, Olive grooves which where planted by their great grand fathers - rightly documented on deeds and recognised already by the British - Haaaaa People of No Land have documents ! Recognize them Israel if you want Peace!
Now Gaza still living in a KZ - while they blew them up totally in the last operation like cowards - Tunnels you shout Tunnels they need them to survive as the Jews in the Warsaw Getto - its sooo sad - Germany lives with a big "mea culpa maxima" and there is the whole saying of "Never again"!!!!
And ought to know dear Jewish Lady - nobody hates you -
But be sure "Never again" must not be abused again in this way !

RE: Why do men living in a relationship mostly have to

As much as I know - Malta does not separate its waste - at home -all goes into bags on the road - except for Glas - please correct me if I am wrong..

RE: Why do men living in a relationship mostly have to

Do not ferget the Bio waste - every second week - which container, which day in which week on which side of the road ..

and then tell that to an innocent foreigner

RE: Why do men living in a relationship mostly have to

Hi Uli - realy they do ??


I must have got something wrong - I take it out mostely myself

but then - its me - who wants rather to be taken out ...
but I can assure you I don´t look like a garbage bag

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This may take some people by surprise, but the UN has not used the term "Jewish state" since 1947. Resolution 181 then called for a "Jewish state" and an "Arab state," with gerrymandered borders designed to craft Jewish and Arab majorities in each state. But the attempt was rendered obsolete when Zionist forces established "Israel" on a much greater swath of territory that had, in total, held a substantial Arab majority, and expelled most of the Arab residents. As refugees, according to the Geneva Conventions, those Arab residents have the right to return to their homes, villages, towns and cities. But their return would eliminate the Jewish majority in what became "Israel," so Israel hasn't allowed this.

Hence the UN cannot confirm Israel as a Jewish state (i.e., a state that can legitimately sustain a Jewish majority) without contradicting international law regarding the right of refugees. When the UN refers to "Israel" today, it does not understand Israel as the "Jewish state" in the old ethnic-majority terms of 1947, because Israel can be granted no "right" to an ethnic demography that would prevent the return of refugees"

Virginia Tilley is associate professor of Political Science and International Relations, Hobart and William Smith Colleges, and author of The One-State Solution: A Breakthrough for Peace in the Israeli-Palestinian Deadlock. She is currently at the Centre for Policy Studies, Johannesburg, South Africa".

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"As the Palestinians stand to lose most of what is left of their homeland to this fuzziness, Hamas is refusing to endorse it. Is this extremist Islamic intransigence, warranting a funding freeze? Let us run a little thought experiment: Would Canadian, or Norwegian, or English, or French governments be called on the international carpet for not recognizing the "right to exist" of a neighboring state that is, with military force, settling its own ethnically defined population within contiguous walled cities and enclaves in Canadian, Norwegian, English or French national territories, while promising to carve those nations into "cantons?"

Absent clear borders, recognizing Israel's "right to exist" must mean something else. And of course it does. Clearly implicit in the term is Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.
In other words, the "right" Hamas is being required to endorse is that Israel can legitimately compose itself as a state in Palestine that is populated and run primarily by Jews, primarily for Jews. Such a state would thus be authorized by Hamas to sustain whatever laws and policies necessary to preserving its Jewish majority, even rejecting the return of Palestinian refugees mandated by international law. Or building a massive Wall on Palestinian land designed to protect the Jewish state from the "demographic threat" of mass non-Jewish citizenship-i.e., the Palestinians. Israel's would also be legitimized for past actions on the same agenda, such as expelling the Palestinians from their homes in 1948, and for its future plans, such as confining Palestine's indigenous people to cantons.

Israel's leadership has declared all these measures necessary to preserve Israel as "a Jewish and democratic state," as phrased in Israel's Basic Law (and reiterated by Mr. Sharon, Mr. Olmert, and almost every Israeli party across the political spectrum). Yet it is not the fact of this open policy of ethnic cleansing, but Israel's right to pursue it, that is expressed in the phrase, "right to exist."

Hence bitter reluctance by the PLO, the Arab states, and much of the Muslim world to do so for many decades. They abandoned that position in 1989-90, as a pragmatic gesture toward a two-state solution. Cannot the EU then insist that Hamas recognize Israel's "right to exist" if the PLO, the PA, and all other governments in the world have recognized it?

The problem is that the quid pro quo that supported this recognition, formalized in the Oslo process, is now clearly wrecked by Israel's unilateral annexations of land. Carving the West Bank into cantons has eliminated any hope of a viable Palestinian state. The two-state solution is not working. In these conditions, should Hamas recognize Israel's "right to exist" if it is recognized to be eliminating Palestinian sovereignty altogether?
The more embarrassing problem, however, is that the EU itself has not explicitly recognized Israel's "right to exist" in this sense. Nor has Canada, or Norway. The United Nations has not done so, either. They haven't, because they can't."

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Quoting here part of an long article written by VIRGINIA TILLEY
May 12, 2006 Way before the Gaza escalation took place !
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First, it is simply unbelievable. All agree that Israel's withdrawal of major settlement blocs in the West Bank (especially, the major cities of Ma'ale Adumim, Ariel, and Gush Etzion) is not foreseeable. The Israeli government itself has declared them permanent. No international actor or combination of actors has the political will and/or clout to change Israeli policy. Israel will not withdraw the major settlement blocs under any circumstances short of a national emergency. Hamas's suddenly waxing nice will not constitute that emergency.

Second, the argument adopts specious Israeli claims about Arab logics that only dwindling ranks of Israel's die-hard supporters still believe. Israeli propaganda holds that Arab "hatred" for Israel is irrational, born solely of Judeophobia, religious zealotry, and cultural backwardness, and that tough measures can therefore leverage Arab capitulation to reality even while the occupation continues. In this view, Israel's hold on the West Bank is not really an "occupation," serving a program of land annexation, but only a benign "administration," forced on Israel by collective Arab and Palestinian unwillingness to recognize Israel's "right to exist."

The funding cut-off endorses this fantasy in holding that Hamas has rejected Israel's authentic "promise of peace" due to its rejectionist Islamic dogma and not because Hamas has graphic evidence that Israel has no intention of permitting Palestinians a viable state. In this twisted view, cutting vital funds should make Hamas rethink this "irrationality," abandon its "extremism," recognize Israel's "right to exist," and end all hostile actions toward it. Hamas and the PA will then be rewarded (it is hinted vacantly) with a return to the Road Map.

Aside from its transparent tomfoolery (full awareness the US and Israel are eliminating the conditions for the Road Map as quickly as possible), deeper problems plague this papery notion. For if we look more closely at what Hamas is being asked to do, none of it makes sense either.

What does a "right to exist" mean exactly? There is no "right to exist" for states under international law. The formula has arisen in international diplomacy uniquely regarding Israel. It does not mean simply diplomatic recognition, which is the "fact" of existence. It does not mean recognizing Israel's "right to self-determination," either, or we would be using that famous term.

Let us pretend for a moment that Hamas is being asked to recognize Israel in the normal diplomatic sense. In this case, however, the EU position is unsupportable, because diplomatic recognition of a state routinely requires one bit of vital information: "right to exist" where? Israel's borders are not set. Even its plans for those borders are not known; with impressive brashness, Mr. Olmert has announced that we will not know until 2010.

It is entirely legitimate for Hamas to require firm confirmation of Israel's borders before recognizing it. It should also be incumbent on the international community to confirm where those borders will be before insisting that Hamas recognize Israel's "right" to them. Otherwise, recognizing Israel's "right to exist" could be construed to mean that Israel has a "right to exist" within whatever borders it chooses in coming years.

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YES - you keep repeating yourself - but so do I -


Good Night !

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Typically - Visit Israel - see some nice occupation walls but don´t go to the other side or we might kill you - that´s what they are saying !
But as they arrest even Jewish peace activists from Israel - also very much declared as non-grata. PERHAPS THEY ASSIST TERRORISTS??

Anyone who assists the Palestinians in any part of their pledge in keeping their land is non-grata and confronted with Israels Army. Many organizations complain about that.
Anything happens its their responsability not Israels - and you can´t make this wrongs a Israelis right by this sort of declarations, as they come always ready with answers prefabricated by their legal departments - testimonies are not heared at all -

That must change! The UN Envoys took plenty of records - hopefully it will get a hearing.

And pleace stop declaring other posters in this Thread an Anti-Jewish - and Hamas supporters. Nobody gives you titels !!

History was widely discussed - Zionists plan is happy to find and create always an enemy to justify their actions !
As for the foodhold of Hamas in Gaza - is to big extent their own fault and all could have been different if Westbank and Gaza would have been joined!

Israel will get nowhere in creating more enemy by their actions against Civilians and pushing the borders with illigal settlemnts -bulldozing down Palestinian homes and building walls through their land in the way they do.
Its largely critizised by Jewish communities and Israelis alike!

And as Israel did not want to talk to Hamas, when Hamas wanted an agreement - so instead Israel started the offencive in Gaza, this was stated also by Jewish press, as little help for the election campaign.

Lets hope world leaders find a way to Status Quo - and with a little goodwill or pressure .. Israels policies will hopefully change.

Fact is that you can´t lock up the people of Gaza without providing for their livelihood and then bomb the whole population down in saying their tunnels are disturbing peace - its a cheap excuse to blame alone Hamas on that one !

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Be sure there are plenty of arrests without trial and revenge killings for that !

But I agree that there is always propaganda from both sides.

Only Israel has the better one ...perhaps the best Press control in the world.
Who listens to Hamas propaganda? The people in Gaza perhaps, and even more now - because of what happend.

As I posted before:

"An example of this process surrounds the most shocking atrocity of this war so far: the shelling of the UN Fakhura school in Jabaliya refugee camp.

Immediately after the incident became known throughout the world, the army “revealed” that Hamas fighters had been firing mortars from near the school entrance.
As proof they released an aerial photo which indeed showed the school and the mortar. But within a short time the official army liar had to admit that the photo was more than a year old.

A falsification.

Later the official liar claimed that “our soldiers were shot at from inside the school”.
Barely a day passed before the army had to admit to UN personnel that that was a lie, too.
Nobody had shot from inside the school, no Hamas fighters were inside the school, which was full of terrified refugees.

But the admission made hardly any difference anymore.
By that time, the Israeli public was completely convinced that “they shot from inside the school”, and TV announcers stated this as a simple fact.

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Further writes Uri Avnery in his article:

" WE MUST pursue all the legal processes in Israel and call for an independent investigation and the indictment of suspected perpetrators. We must demand this even if the chances of it happening are slim indeed.

If these efforts fail, nobody will be able to object to trials abroad, either in an international court or in the courts of those nations that respect human rights and international law.

Until then, the black flag will still be waving."


Israel as recognized Nation and has to act as such!

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.....cont....

An objective investigation has to find out whether the decision to start the war was justified, or if there existed another way of stopping the launching of rockets against Israeli territory. Without doubt, no country can or should tolerate the bombing of its towns and villages from beyond the border. But could this be prevented by talking with the Gaza authorities? Was our government’s decision to boycott Hamas, the winner of the democratic Palestinian elections, the real cause of this war? Did the imposition of the blockade on a million and a half Gaza Strip inhabitants contribute to the launching of the Qassams? In brief: were the alternatives considered before it was decided to start a deadly war?

The war plan included a massive attack on the civilian population of the Strip. The real aims of a war can be understood less from the official declarations of its initiators, than from their actions. If in this war some 1300 men, women and children were killed, the great majority of whom were not fighters; if about 5000 people were injured, most of them children; if some 2500 homes were partly or wholly destroyed; if the infrastructure of life was totally demolished – all this clearly could not have happened accidentally. It must have been a part of the war plan.

The things said during the war by politicians and officers make it clear that the plan had at least two aims, which might be considered war crimes: (1) To cause widespread killing and destruction, in order to “fix a price tag”. “to burn into their consciousness”, “to reinforce deterrence”, and most of all – to get the population to rise up against Hamas and overthrow their government. Clearly this affects mainly the civilian population. (2) To avoid casualties to our army at (literally) any price by destroying any building and killing any human being in the area into which our troops were about to move, including destroying homes over the heads of their inhabitants, preventing medical teams from reaching the victims, killing people indiscriminately. In certain cases, inhabitants were warned that they must flee, but this was mainly an alibi-action: there was nowhere to flee to, and often fire was opened on people trying to escape.

An independent court will have to decide whether such a war-plan is in accordance with national and international law, or whether it was ab initio a crime against humanity and a war-crime.

This was a war of a regular army with huge capabilities against a guerrilla force. In such a war, too, not everything is permissible. Arguments like “The Hamas terrorists were hiding within the civilian population” and “They used the population as human shields” may be effective as propaganda but are irrelevant: that is true for every guerrilla war. It must be taken into account when a decision to start such a war is being considered.

In a democratic state, the military takes its orders from the political establishment. Good. But that does not include “manifestly” illegal orders, over which the black flag of illegality is waving. Since the Nuremberg trials, there is no more room for the excuse that “I was only obeying orders”.

Therefore, the personal responsibility of all involved - from the Chief of Staff, the Front Commander and the Division Commander right down to the last soldier - must be examined. From the statements of soldiers one must deduce that many believed that their job was “to kill as many Arabs as possible”. Meaning: no distinction between fighters and non-fighters. That is a completely illegal order, whether given explicitly or by a wink and a nudge. The soldiers understood this to be “the spirit of the commander”.

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I DO NOT object to trials abroad. The main thing is that war criminals, like pirates, should be brought to justice. It is not so important where they are caught. (This rule was applied by the State of Israel when it abducted Adolf Eichmann in Argentina and hanged him in Israel for heinous crimes committed outside the territory of Israel and, indeed, before the state even existed.)

But as an Israeli patriot, I would prefer suspected Israeli war criminals to be put on trial in Israel. That is necessary for the country, for all decent officers and soldiers of the Israeli army, for the education of future generations of citizens and soldiers.

There is no need to rely on international law alone. There are Israeli laws against war crimes. Enough to mention the immortal phrase coined by Justice Binyamin Halevy, serving as a military judge, in the trial of the border policemen who were responsible for the 1956 massacre in Kafr Kassem, when dozens of children, women and men were mown down for violating a curfew which they did not even know about.

The judge announced that even in wartime, there are orders over which flies “the black flag of illegality”. These are orders which are “manifestly” illegal – that is to say, orders which every normal person can tell are illegal, without having to consult a lawyer.

War criminals dishonor the army whose uniform they wear – whether they are generals or common soldiers. As a combat soldier on the day the Israeli Defense Army was officially created, I am ashamed of them and demand that they be cast out and be put on trial in Israel.

My list of suspects includes politicians, soldiers, rabbis and lawyers.

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THERE IS not the slightest doubt that in the Gaza war, crimes were committed. The question is to what extent and by whom.

Example: the soldiers call on the residents of a house to leave it. A woman and her four children come out, waving white handkerchiefs. It is absolutely clear that they are not armed fighters. A soldier in a near-by tank stands up, points his rifle and shoots them dead at short range. According to testimonies that seem to be beyond doubt, this happened more than once.

Another example: the shelling of the United Nations school full of refugees, from which there was no shooting – as admitted by the army, after the original pretexts were disproved.

These are ”simple” cases. But the spectrum of cases is far wider. A serious judicial investigation has to start right from the top: the politicians and senior officers who decided on the war and confirmed its plans must be investigated about their decisions. In Nuremberg it was laid down that the starting of a war of aggression is a crime.

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February 2, 2009


I like to share a part of an interesting article on Counter Punch today
By URI AVNERY

A Spanish judge has instituted a judicial inquiry against seven Israeli political and military personalities on suspicion of war crimes and crimes against humanity. The case: the 2002 dropping of a one ton bomb on the home of Hamas leader Salah Shehade. Apart from the intended victim, 14 people, most of them children, were killed.

For those who have forgotten: the then commander of the Israeli Air Force, Dan Halutz, was asked at the time what he feels when he drops a bomb on a residential building. His unforgettable answer: “A slight bump to the wing.” When we in Gush Shalom accused him of a war crime, he demanded that we be put on trial for high treason. He was joined by the Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, who accused us of wanting to “turn over Israeli army officers to the enemy”. The Attorney General notified us officially that he did not intend to open an investigation against those responsible for the bombing.

I should be happy, therefore, that at long last somebody is ready to put that action to a judicial test (even if he seems to have been thwarted by political pressure.) But I am sorry that this has happened in Spain, not in Israel.

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ISRAELI TV VIEWERS have lately been exposed to a bizarre sight: army officers appearing with their faces hidden, as usual for criminals when the court prohibits their identification. p*dophile, for example, or attackers of old women.

On the orders of the military censors, this applies to all officers, from battalion commanders down, who have been involved in the Gaza war. Since the faces of brigade commanders and above are generally known, the order does not apply to them.

Immediately after the cease-fire, the Minister of Defense, Ehud Barak, promoted a special law that would give unlimited backing by the state to all officers and soldiers who took part in the Gaza war and who might be accused abroad of war crimes. This seems to confirm the Hebrew adage: “On the head of the thief, the hat is burning”.

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More News from Israels Haaretz Newsletter

Since its very long please read all on:



Last update - 00:06 01/01/2009


Secret Israeli database reveals full extent of illegal settlement

By Uri Blau

Tags: West Bank, Settlements

Just four years ago, the defense establishment decided to carry out a seemingly elementary task: establish a comprehensive database on the settlements. Brigadier General (res.) Baruch Spiegel, aide to then defense minister Shaul Mofaz, was put in charge of the project. For over two years, Spiegel and his staff, who all signed a special confidentiality agreement, went about systematically collecting data, primarily from the Civil Administration.

One of the main reasons for this effort was the need to have credible and accessible information at the ready to contend with legal actions brought by Palestinian residents, human rights organizations and leftist movements challenging the legality of construction in the settlements and the use of private lands to establish or expand them. The painstakingly amassed data was labeled political dynamite.

The defense establishment, led by Defense Minister Ehud Barak, steadfastly refused to publicize the figures, arguing, for one thing, that publication could endanger state security or harm Israel's foreign relations. Someone who is liable to be particularly interested in the data collected by Spiegel is George Mitchell, President Barack Obama's special envoy to the Middle East, who came to Israel this week for his first visit since his appointment. It was Mitchell who authored the 2001 report that led to the formulation of the road map, which established a parallel between halting terror and halting construction in the settlements.

The official database, the most comprehensive one of its kind ever compiled in Israel about the territories, was recently obtained by Haaretz. Here, for the first time, information the state has been hiding for years is revealed. An analysis of the data reveals that, in the vast majority of the settlements - about 75 percent - construction, sometimes on a large scale, has been carried out without the appropriate permits or contrary to the permits that were issued. The database also shows that, in more than 30 settlements, extensive construction of buildings and infrastructure (roads, schools, synagogues, yeshivas and even police
stations) has been carried out on private lands belonging to Palestinian West Bank residents.

cont...

WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Sooo it is suddenly a legal occupation -
turning the facts around of who are the occupying forces - does not make it legal...

- you like this games of words - just make a thread of wordgames

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When hundreds of Israeli soldiers start opposing the form of occupation and its methods of required oppressive conduct and inhuman treatment to Palestinians, something truly is happening that goes further to the right of protecting the own country.

Anyone questioning that they don´t know what is going on ? And that those guys are only anti Israel ??

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Israel prepares post-war battle for public opinion.»

With the fighting over, foreign journalists and non-governmental organisations are expected to flood into the impoverished Palestinian territory to assess the damage from 22 days of massive bombing and shelling.

With this in mind, Israel is reportedly “readying a new offensive — the battle for public opinion.”
AFP reports Israel has begun compiling information to try to prove that many of the 4,000 residential buildings, 51 government buildings, and 20 mosques it hit during the offensive were legitimate targets used by Hamas militants.

At least six Israeli ministers will be “fanning out to different countries to press home Israel’s view of the conduct of the war.” Welfare Minister Isaac Herzog said Israel is aiming to prevent an ‘over-dramatization‘ of the facts.”

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that is what it´s all about - is´nt it ?

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HF comes in --- its so private that no one is here ---

sneeks back out

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When I created this Thread I had a lot of questions - hoping for some interesting discussion - I got quite confused at times - it was amazing enough that the MOD´s did not pull it off -
Thanks

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Thanks for speaking your mind freely

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Drewski writes here a very notorious distortion of the truth;
What really happens is absolute the opposite

Quote: "nothing is going to change until Palestinians stop their official policy of taking over Israel."

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Its very pathetic when people can´t say anything to the fact that Israel is a occupational Military Force, taking Palestinans land with any means and force - with a brutal surpression and violence to human living conditions.
Why don´t you go and live with them for a while - if you don´t believe it ?
Some people here would just reply in this pathetic way to any critic even coming from Jewish Israeli, who has been watching the ongoings as soldiers.


You can go on and on - but so will the people who are opposing the war - and more people evey day in more countries are discusted with that, the press has become more and more critic - be sure.

Calling it propaganda is a way that will not work anymore.
The latest attack on Gaza is the example of what Israel reseved as peace treatment for Palestinians and what they call an effort to peace.

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Hamas has nothing to do with the oppression and genocide of the Palestinians since 1948 by Israel....they are relatively new...so why would their constitution have any bearing on what Israel has been doing for many decades when there was no Hamas???? Oppression Law & Legal Definition"Oppression is the subjugation of one group by another, carried out under conditions of unequal power, and often enforced by threats of or by actual violence. According to Webster’s Third International Dictionary (1993), oppression is the “unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power esp. by the imposition of burdens; esp. the unlawful, excessive or corrupt exercise of power other than by extortion by any public officer so as to harm anyone in his rights, person, or property while purporting to act under color of governmental authority”.Hamas is and always has been just another excuse for Israel to carry out it's genocide and oppression against the Palestinian people that has already existed for decades....[/quote]

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Uri Avnery - Gush Shalom - Peace Movement in Israel
His courage has my admiration!

In 1975, Avnery was seriously injured in a knife attack; the attempted assassin was later officially declared insane.

In 2006, settler activist Baruch Marzel called on the Israeli military to carry out "a targeted killing" against Uri Avnery.

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Lilly, Fact is that ISRAEL IS ALSO A NUCLEAR POWER - and disposes of highly questionable nuclear and chemical weapons.
Where is the warranty they will not try or use them ?
But of course about this you don´t like to talk
Therefore I do not believe that Pretzel missed the point completely - the paragon is not far fetched as you want to make believe -
Its like you are trying to control this forum ? - playing the keeper of false onesided morals in this Thread - also then threatening with the MOD´s - Big Brother is watching sort of attitude - it´s so typical and pathetic -

As to your last post -
I am not saying Hamas is harmless in itself. But from you it sounds just like propaganda - See how bad they are - see what they are like ... But why you never - principally never - see any wrong in what the Israelians do -
We all know there could be pages filled with terrible misstreatments to thousends Palestinians by the Isralis.

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