RE: Should we take these refugees?



But relax: Obama says the refugees are no more threatening than tourists.

“Report: al Qaeda Terrorists Entered United States Through Refugee Program,” by Ali Meyer, Washington Free Beacon, November 18, 2015:

Two al Qaeda terrorists who had killed American soldiers were able to enter the country as refugees, according to a report released Wednesday from the House Homeland Security committee.

Waad Ramadan Alwan and Mohanad Shareef Hammadi, two Iraqi refugees settled in Bowling Green, Kentucky, after killing American soldiers, whom they bragged about having “for lunch and dinner.” In 2010, they were caught handling weapons, including included a machine gun and a missile launcher, that they planned to smuggle to insurgents in Iraq.

“I wouldn’t be surprised if there were many more than that,” said Rep. Michael McCaul (R., Texas), the chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security. “And these are trained terrorists in the art of bombmaking that are inside the United States; and quite frankly, from a homeland security perspective, that really concerns me.”

The committee’s report found that the administration’s refugee resettlement program proposal will have “a limited impact on alleviating the overall crisis but could have serious ramifications for U.S. homeland security.”

Jeh Johnson, the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, admitted in October at a hearing before the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committee that organizations such as the Islamic State might attempt to exploit the Syrian refugee resettlement program.

“It is true that we are not going to know a whole lot about the Syrians that come forth in this process,” he said.

President Obama’s refugee resettlement program is now under scrutiny after deadly terrorist attacks in Paris killed more than 120 people and left more than 300 injured on Friday. It is suspected that one of the terrorists entered the country as a refugee.

In addition to these attacks, men in Minnesota were apprehended by the feds for trying to join the Islamic State. There is growing concern that the state would be a recruiting ground for the Islamic State because of its large community of Somali refugees.

The report was released after a nearly year-long investigation evaluating challenges with allowing Syrian refugee flows into the United States.

Governors from many states are now refusing to allow Syrian refugees to resettle in their states.

“Given the tragic attacks in Paris and the threats we have already seen, Texas cannot participate in any program that will result in Syrian refugees—any one of whom could be connected to terrorism—being resettled in Texas,” said Gov. Greg Abbott.

“There is an undeniable connection between our refugee resettlement program and the increased risk of a terror attack within the United States,” said Jessica Vaughan, an immigration expert at the Center for Immigration Studies.

“There have been roughly 70 terrorist plots in the United States since 9/11 and scores of young people who are first or second generation refugees and immigrants who have become involved in some way with Islamist jihadists, either by undertaking attacks here or traveling overseas to join a terrorist group, or both,” she said….

RE: Hug a Muslim

laugh Oh, IS has just opened their affiliates in Mali! doh frustrated rolling on the floor laughing

Ich bin jetzt gespannt was es wird wieder kommt. Hauptsache hat es nichts mit dem islam zu tun. Gar nix! laugh frustrated

RE: Hug a Muslim

seanm, fair enough. Your entitled to your opinion, so do I.

No, I will not reconsider my stance and I cannot be told to learn to accept what my view should be towards muslims, especially after those attacks.

Those chances have long been enough being taken advantages of.... Sorry, I cannot tolerate the intolerant.

RE: Hug a Muslim

True Babette, that's true. The victims are not only the ones who got killed and not only French even you were not even in Paris when it did happen, there were Germans killed and there were Germans who luckily survived after being trapped for hours in Bataclan. There are maybe any Germans that are still under treatment from the injuries they experienced in the incident. I feel for them because they are part of real victims.

We are not targeting, expressing fears, being paranoia or even victims of propaganda as you desperately labeling us. We are pointing out who the real victims are and how they should have been put in first place of attentions. Yes, I did criticise islam behind this terror because I firmly believed this has been the core why such similar attacks happened.

I believe you that for real in France there is no revanche actions initiated by any party to muslims, null threats for muslims as some people like you even imagined, that make this appearance of this video actually looked silly. No clear intention rather than looking for attentions.

Oh you're speaking of tolerance. Having lived in a muslim country where tolerance to non-muslims are not encouraged and practiced, I simply cannot tolerate the intolerant islam.

Now go ahead, carry on hugging each others for no reason if that makes your day better.

teddybear

RE: Hug a Muslim

Oh, was it that hurt that you are still keeping grudges on me? hug

You tried to mislead me to talk about subject that was not related with the title of a thread. That was why I refused your offer to learn history according to what you believed. I cannot support mentality of a 5-year-old nagging boy "If Christians killed in the past, why muslims cannot let to kill?" wink

RE: Hug a Muslim

It does not prove anything to me.

Try compare with this one



The killers were not separatists and happened long time before IS existed. They simply wanted to get their reward of 72 virgins.

It's up to you to keep blindfolded. I somehow chose not to be blinded again. I was once on your shoe until I re-learned history and found many were corrupted for islam supremacy wine

RE: Hug a Muslim

Did she claim that she suffered from hatred? Why I am not surprised. She suffered because she mistakenly thought some opinions directed towards her which were not. So I can say it's her own fault for thinking that she's the victim. She's not religious and is not practicing, why has she to be offended easily? Can you imagine what it would be in real world for criticising islam to muslims? Those terror attacks.

This video of a muslim asking trust and hugs from people is not appropriate and I find it offensive to go on viral in less than a week after the incident in Paris. Why? The ones who need to be hugged right now is the family and relatives from the victims last week, in those 8 random places. Let's mourning for them, for the real victims.

I believe most of us are peace loving person and you don't need to claim which religion you represent if you need a hug from others. If this guy did not mention his religion, I would hug him. But when he mentioned his, I was thinking it was not only muslims deserved trusts and hugs. What intention this guy had by making this video?

Muslim in the video and muslims elsewhere are not the victims. Are they in Paris or in any other part of the world being chased, being tortured, being beaten by non-muslims after those attacks happened? Any proof?

I said those terrorist in Paris were identified muslims. That's the fact, if you do mind with it then protest directly to terrorists why they are muslims when they did their actions. Therefore, hugging a muslim in a situation like this is like embracing the killers and stabbing the family and relatives of real victims behind their back. That I will personally not do.

Now if this thread was only meant to hug each others with a motto of "I love you, you love me, we are happy family" then carry on.

RE: UNION EUROPEAN, GERMANY, TURKEY, PARIS ,, I DON'T FELL BETTER IN NOW !!!

The killing of Charlie Hebdo, which islam have done it? islam islam or islam IS?

Unbelievable doh

RE: UNION EUROPEAN, GERMANY, TURKEY, PARIS ,, I DON'T FELL BETTER IN NOW !!!

Babette, you just baptised islam to have a branch of a new faith, IS's islam. Unbelievable.

RE: Hug a Muslim

Have you been living as minority where muslim is majority for real?

They might not stab you directly as long as you keep silent and not criticized islam and mohammed in front of them. They might not kill you for a reason you are non-muslim but they started to instruct you what you have to eat and to drink, why you have to respect them for not eating and drinking in front of them while they are fasting, why it is possible for non-muslims being leaders in the country, why they encouraged people not to wish merry christmas to christians for example, why it is impossible for non-muslims building their prayer places while mosques does not need to obtain any permits to be built, why non-muslim guy has to convert to marry a muslim woman, and any other non-muslims repressions in every aspect of life.

The list can be longer and it would not stop if we ignore the real problem.

RE: Hug a Muslim





You asked for it.

RE: Hug a Muslim

Babette, I did not misunderstand you. I understood you are in denial that these terrorists happened for one reason: islam. You even dedicate a thread where you claimed you're not feeling safe living in France, Germany and so on, didn't you? I tried to point out to you the cause. If you want to ignore it, go ahead. It won't change you to keep asking why sooner or later you won't want to move in Europe anymore.

RE: Hug a Muslim

Who's calling on people to hate muslims? I did make statement to the OP why I see no reasons to hug muslims especially not after attacks done in the name of islam. It's you who are offended for seeing someone saying that she refused to hug muslims.

Have respects for the real victims, can't you?! Hugging one or thousand muslims will not stop coming incidents and will not stop the root of the problem which is violent in islam.

That is why I called you a hypocrite, you've done nothing that your islam taught you but you blindly devoting and defending a religion that you may not even care to practice it.

RE: Hug a Muslim

and that's none of your business either laugh

Society like you will take prejudices on people like me and ironically the same society will let their children witnessing repressions happened in the name of islam.

RE: Hug a Muslim

Babette, I forgive you for being naive. It's not only France striked by islamic terrorisms. I was in a place where victims fell more than the victims in Paris. More than 200 died and by that time IS did not even exist. The terrorists were also yelling "Awuaa barbar". Was it only a coincidence?

I don't need to change my minds and attitude towards islam. I stay firm.

RE: Hug a Muslim

No need to feel pitty on me, it's you that I have been pittying on. Shouting out loud that your faith is having nothing do with terrorism but never practiced it yourself. Hyprocrisy at its best.

RE: Hug a Muslim

None of your business.

RE: Hug a Muslim

They are not different when they believe in one faith: islam. The difference is the good ones seen as bad ones, and the bad ones seen as good ones. Ring a bell for you?

RE: Hug a Muslim

Why should I hug one? To forgive and to forget the attacks done in the name of islam? No way.

Who can guarantee that those who claimed are peaceful and not terrorists won't be a terrorist in the coming incidents?

You don't need to be muslim to claim you're peaceful.

RE: Hug a Muslim

That's my choice. I say it is what it is.

What's the intention of hugging muslims after islamic terrorists taken place? Not again the playing victims of muslims. Hugging one or thousand muslims will not change violent teachings in islam that they believed in.

Go ahead hugging muslims and keep wondering why islamic terror done by muslims terrorists will keep happening.

RE: Hug a Muslim

No, I cannot hug a person who trust in a belief that teach intolerance to non-muslims. Victims were randoms, but terrorist are not random, they are muslims.

RE: UNION EUROPEAN, GERMANY, TURKEY, PARIS ,, I DON'T FELL BETTER IN NOW !!!

Babette, I don't know how many are there non-muslims millionares or billioners living in Qatar, but they put their money or assets or investment in the country, of course these kind of things will not be refused by Qatar or in any other islamic countries. But, letting these non-muslims people to be leaders or take control of power in islamic countries? That would be impossible.

I am aware of the caught in Aachen yesterday. I wished that our authority could raid all mosques throughout Germany to find potential good muslims practicing islamic teachings and to ban forever Salafist activists in the country.

I was not surprised about the caught in Molenbeek, there were many good muslims as well that have sworn they would make Belgium another islamic state under islamic control, under the teachings of koran. I am also aware the royal family in UK was suggested to convert to islam by an islam preacher.



The pattern is actually talking similar thing here: power of islam. Be it ISIS or islam, they are both the same. If there is no islam, there will be no IS. Declaring that muslims are peaceful is not changing the fact that teaching in islam encouraged muslims to hate non-muslims. Peace and tolerance of muslims only lies within their circles and is spoken or encouraged when muslims are minority.









Yes, Germans are aware of the corruptions happened in our football associations and it is a shame that we do not try to cover or to deny at all, for this reason Wolfgang Niersbach, the ex-president of DFB stepped back this month. We don't stand behind him and hope this case is solved properly through our legal system, so is the case for Beckenbauer.

RE: UNION EUROPEAN, GERMANY, TURKEY, PARIS ,, I DON'T FELL BETTER IN NOW !!!

Qatar is not corrupt? I still cannot forget the news about Qatar bribed FIFA to be the host of World Cup 2022. There were cases and complaints where the workers that built the stadions were not treated well as normal human beings.

RE: Should we take these refugees?

That was for answering shadi on his previous comment:

because your country started all these wars :)

RE: Should we take these refugees?

thumbs down

it sounds like you're having a mental of "I am entitled to..." instead of "I am having responsibility to..." :)

RE: Should we take these refugees?

Your government should learn the mistakes and failures Germany's government made by naively and carelessly inviting all of refugees coming in to the country. They should have made tight screens and registrations to decide who can stay and who cannot. There was a case where a Syrian man registered in Germany with 17 different names, those were exclusive of other identity he had when he registered himself in Denmark and in Sweden as asylum-seekers laugh

Vietnamese refugees, they are also many here. I prefer them staying here rather than the Turks or the Albanians, to be honest. In my opinion, Asian refugees can adapt the western cultural values very well, they wanted to learn the local language and they can speak the local language and they did not stir problems based on their faith's ideology. While the other one sigh you know it well. You have seen the video, One Nation Two Worlds.

RE: UNION EUROPEAN, GERMANY, TURKEY, PARIS ,, I DON'T FELL BETTER IN NOW !!!

Hallo Babette, I have different opinion with you.

"Society might criticise me for taking prejudices and speaking out against islam, the same society will be silent seeing and hearing muslims taking prejudices on Jews and criticising freedom of speech." (Anon)

The victims were randoms, but the terrorist are not. Was it all a coincidence that the terrorist are (good) muslims? Was it a coincidence that they yelled "Awuaaa barbar" on their barbaric actions. No, it was not a coincidence. islam and their blind devotion triggered those terrorists made the attacks and they did in the name of their religion. I failed to see any other religions than islam doing similar attacks constantly, not only in France, but any other parts of the world, including a place where majority of the country are muslims.

Tolerance, solidarity, democracy would only be spoken by muslims if they are minority. When muslims are majority, it would be islam that would be valid exclusively. I bet you don't want to live in a country where majority of the people believe in islam, because it would never give you the comfort feeling to stay there, esp. if you are part of the minority. That explains why many people (including part of majority) wanted to stay away from islamic countries.

Those muslims who claim they are innocent are basically normal human beings that love and want peace and they are not religious or in other words they are muslims but not practicing. The good and religious muslims are those one doing the attacks and those ones doing the jihads. I wish those peace-loving muslims can learn a lot from this incident and other incidents before; there is many red flags in teachings of islam. Muslims are encouraged to safe their life by staying away from islam. Muslims, stop being blindly devoted to a teaching that teach you to hate others in any kind of forms!

http://www.faithfreedom.org/introducing-the-term-jack-muslim/

http://www.faithfreedom.org/islam-and-the-clash-of-civilizations/

RE: Fight terrorism with terror???

No, killing them is actually helping them getting their rewards. If they caught alive then it is better to sanctioned him with the law valid in the country and prescribe them to get therapies to get off their mutual sickness, you know well what I meant about. If those don't help then deport them to no man's island, say like an island full of snakes, suits them since they are alike with the indigenous habitants.

RE: GERMANY ,,, WHERE ARE WE NOW ? ,,,,, GOES ON !!!

Meanwhile in the state of Baden-Württemberg (frustrated), the coalition of red-and-green party agreed to let islam to be taught in schools starting from 2018.



No wonder, both parties (SPD and Grün) are Turkish party giggle

RE: GERMANY ,,, WHERE ARE WE NOW ? ,,,,, GOES ON !!!

In an open letter to its own boss, the personnel board in Ministry of Migration and Refugees (BAMF)located in Nuremberg conveyed their concerns about the real practices doing by their offices towards refugee from Syria, Eritrea, and Iraq. They protested that these refugees have not gone through proper screenings of their personal indentity. The result was 30% of the refugess were giving false information about their home country, however this issue were not taken care seriously by the ministry.

The board also protested over qualification-check procedure that took only for a week which is normally could take for months for a single foreigner. All in all, 10,000 applications were supposed to be declined because it did not fit in requirements the ministry have but somehow staffs in ministry let the cheating practices to keep going on.

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