About inhumane attacks.... Please tell me, have you ever seen attacks anywhere when all people are warned in advance about the attack in various ways (SMS, leaflets, “knock on the roof”), and are told how is the best way to leave the attack zone long before it starts? I did not see. The Americans attack without warning; Russia attacks without warning; But don’t you care about the fact that Hamas, elected by the majority of the population of Gaza, does not let people out of the shelling zone, thus creating a human shield for itself? Also, don’t you care that the residents of Gaza allowed the construction of tunnels with weapons depots and a complete military infrastructure? Don’t you care? and the fact that constant shelling of Israeli territory was carried out from the territories of hospitals, kindergartens and schools in Gaza? and the residents of Gaza were silent..tolerated..and also rejoiced at the massacre in the Israeli kibbutzim,,, God is their judge, but every nation receives the leadership it deserves
Wow a Russian hen is clucking here, poor oddtraveler, now it’s clear who brainwashed you.. the wind blew from Mr. Putin through his blinkered housewives. if I go to the kitchen, who will do my job instead of me? no, my dear, I’ll stay in my place, but you need to pack your bags and go home to Putin. that's where you belong to
I asked befere but nobody here at cs seemed able to answer: How many Jews live peacefully in Gaza? 1? 5? 10? 100? 100.000? In Israel it's 2 MILLION Arabs and none of them been harrassed over the last month(!) Imagine if it was the other way around, say no more.
Oddtraveller I don’t believe that you were an officer in the American army..sorry, I don’t wish you anything..neither bad nor good..you just infuriate me with your brainless demagoguery.so in the future I won’t read posts where your name appears..as well as the name bodleing, who is simply fed up with his fakes and links to the discredited press service
oddtraveller is simply not a very literate person, in whom there is nothing more than a bag of lies. on one of the other forums I called him a teacher of lies... since his profile says his profession is a teacher... however, as it turned out, he is a teacher of shooting at targets, apparently any other than verbal ones. Conrad, a laconic and correct answer to a stupid tirade Ozzy, very true video... I've seen it before, but it's very relevant now... I read Israeli news channels daily. Yesterday I came across a video in Arabic. there, the commander of the Arab battalion of the Israeli Defense Forces (these serve Arab citizens of Israel who themselves just want to serve in the army) addresses Hamas... very harshly... he simply said that his battalion is already on the way for the Hamas to destroy them and set the Gaza people free. Pitty I can't attach this video here
My answer to bodleing and his supporters(happily they are in minority here) First of alI I would like to clarify what does your call to Israel to “fight proportionately” mean? Is this a proposal to shoot Gaza civilians in their beds and cut off the heads of babies? Or should Netanyahu's government call for the killing of all Arabs around the world? Could you be a little more specific? What I’m trying to convey to the dense people here - It is not a local conflict, it’s a conflict between 2 civilizations. The world has entered into very strong turbulence. The central Western press, like BBC and the New York Times, has now provoked Jewish pogroms all around the world.. They have endangered the lives of Jews all over the world.. They allowed themselves to give a fake information, for example, about an Israeli missile strike on a hospital... the information came from Hamas, was unverified and, as it turned out later, false, but it worked in favor of the poor Palestinian people. The truth came quickly enough; within 4 hours it was established that the missile was carried out by militants of Islamic jihad.. but the chain of reaction to media reports had already begun, and that was it! IT provoked pogroms of Jews around the world... and no one bothered to apologize for spreading these lies. the evil that came to Israel on October 7 is pure evil, which cannot be justified by any political motives. I’ll give you a comparative example: at the beginning of the war with Ukraine, Russia struck the Ukrainian Rostov maternity hospital. please remind me whether there were calls for the killing of Russians all around the world? Are Ukrainian babies cheaper than Palestinian ones? Or America's bombing of Afghanistan and Iraq for 2 months after 9.11. did you also care about the thousands of people killed there? I already realized that for you and your few satellites here in the forum, the life of the Israeli children is equated to zero. For years, the European liberal community has sponsored the murder of Israelis. Over the past decades, after the killings of Israeli civilians, Israel began operations to clean up Hamas militants. the whole world was making noise in defense of the poor Palestinian people. Yes, the Palestinian people are poor, because since 2007 they have been hostages of Hamas, which cuts the heads of its Palestinians who tried to resist, just like it did to the Jews. It would be better for the world community, suffering for the poor Palestinian people, to support Israel in the fight against Hamas, which has created a protective shield for itself from its own folk, placing rocket launchers near and on the top of hospitals, schools, residential buildings, and then after Israel’s response to regular rocket attacks from Gaza, carries out the bloody bodies of murdered children, showing them to BBC television cameras... this is an old Hamas tradition You have angered me so much that I will say sharply - this time Hamas will be done.. and many civilians in Gaza will die, but it will be for the benefit of those who remain to continue to live. whether you like it or not... I said everything and am no longer going to support your anti-Semitic post. If you go on with your provoking videos, then just go to the hell together with your stupid "satellites"
his utopian ideas are good, but they float in the air. this is just demagoguery. There is not a single constructive suggestion in what he says. and most important, this is a demagogic rhetoric that came at the wrong time.
I’m curious what he would say if he would found himself in Kibbutz Beeri on October 7, 2023. there lived several American families with similar views... and where are they now? It’s a pity that Israel does not release the video of the massacre of civilians of the kibbutz on October 7, which was filmed by Hamas. I would like all the empty talkers to see this... I saw it myself... and with all my left--center position, I simply cannot sleep, eat, drink, smile anymore. . the Israeli army showed this video to all Western correspondents 3 days ago.. some of them fainted, some vomited, some just cried.. it was decided not to publish this video. But I wish personally you mister bodleing could see it..I am curious which songs will you sing after it
About donations to Gaza every year you can find all the information in Wikipedia. I usually ignore trolling, especially Putin +Hamas, or trolling from banal anti semites. I answered you only because Israel is losing in the informational war to its enemies, who are very good in creating false statements
Yep. That s right. Grandsi, Conrad gave you the answer..instead of the green houses that Israel left in Gaza when it withdrew the army from there in 2005, there are now factories for the production and launch of missiles. The mafia s organization called the UN also had a hand in this... it was not profitable for them that the residents of Gaza could provide themselves with food... who would then give such subsidies to gaza. A lot of money also ended up in the pockets of UN representatives
OddTraveller, i cannot imagine you being a teacher/ professor (yes, i ve checked your profile). maybe only a teacher of lies... i guess before starting to teach someone you should go to educate yourself first... And now a few words specially for your education, even knowing it would not help, but i try The Myth of the Israeli Blockade International law does not require any country, including Israel, to have an open border with an independent territory where a hostile population lives. No defensive measures taken in response to enemy attacks are qualified by international law as collective punishment. All the time that the so-called blockade lasts, a flow of products, things, materials from Egypt, from Israel, from the sea flows into Gaza, partly smuggled, partly as part of humanitarian aid. Israel is constantly creating humanitarian corridors. What are the materials obtained through these corridors used for? You guessed it, to create rockets and tunnels, to hold children's camps in which five-year-olds march with machine guns and shout “Death to the Jews!”, and teenagers learn to kill. Yet Israel periodically allows these materials into Gaza, allows Palestinians into Israeli hospitals, allows family reunifications - making sure over and over again that none of its kind gestures are reciprocated, but doing them again and again in order to remain within the bounds of humanity.
Grandsi, Iran may be forced to go to war with Israel because if it turns its back on its allies, Hamas and Hezbollah, it will demonstrate its weakness and inability to protect its allies. Weakness could have fatal consequences in the Middle East. On the other hand, Tehran really does not want to go to war. There are two reasons. First, the enormous force that the US sent to Israel's shores to protect it (two carrier groups), warning Iran of the consequences if it intervened in Israel's war with Hamas. Secondly, unlike Gaza, anti-war sentiments absolutely prevail in Iran, and they sometimes turn into anti-Palestinian sentiments. The Iranian regime is mortally tired of the majority of the country's population, including because it spends huge amounts of money to help Hamas and Hezbollah, in conditions when the majority of Iranians are at or below the poverty line. Here are two good reasons not to go to war. Perhaps the Iranians will choose a middle path - low-level intervention, shelling of Israeli military bases by the Lebanese pro-Iranian Hezbollah in the areas bordering Lebanon, and sporadic shelling of American military bases in the Middle East. we will see soon...
Grandiozzie, It doesn’t matter whether you are a Jewish or not..you are a thinking and analyzing person who takes the correct position at this stage. I agree completely...without the total destruction of the Hamas organization, the residents of Gaza have no future...maybe America will find them a worthy leader...I don’t think Israel will do this
and now about the poor residents of besieged Gaza-In 2009, Gaza received $948 million in American aid. In 2010, the US and the EU gave it $413 million, and in 2011 - $514 million. Sweden (47 million), Great Britain (45), Norway (40) and the Netherlands (29) gave. And so was all this time. Gaza received over $1.18 billion in donations in 2021 and over $1.17 billion in 2022 from various countries and organizations. WHERE IS THE MONEY? Where are the hospitals and schools built on them, where are the cultivated fields, where are the factories producing all sorts of useful things, where are the houses and roads? Where are the jobs created? There is none of them. Because these billions were spent on TENS OF THOUSANDS of missiles, mines, diversion tunnels, because instead of hospitals they built bunkers for the Hamas military command, and launchers were placed in existing hospitals, schools, and residential buildings. And after Israel destroyed these tunnels and bunkers, they built them again. What was not spent on wars went into the pockets of Hamas leaders. Journalist Palki Sharma Upadhyay (India) wrote in 2021: “The leaders of Hamas, including the head of the Politburo Ismail Haniyeh, left the Gaza Strip a long time ago and live in other countries of the world - Turkey, Qatar and Lebanon. They live in first-class apartments in Beirut, Doha and Istanbul, wear expensive suits, fly on private jets, and their children are involved in luxury real estate. any more questions about sufferings of Gaza citizens?
“A protest demonstration was staged by Jewish students at the University of Cleveland at the entrance to the auditorium where the notorious professor Norman Finkelstein was supposed to participate in a scientific discussion, reports. The former professor was fired from the University of Chicago for systematic anti-Semitic propaganda. Finkelstein has a particular hatred for the Jewish state, and he does not miss a single opportunity to condemn Israel, even when the Israelis themselves are victims of aggression.In his speeches, Finkelstein is full of open hatred of Israel, always justifying the actions of its enemies, such as Hamas and Hezbollah, despite the fact that society, in where he lives very comfortably, regards these organizations as terrorist (//www.jewish.ru/news/world/2008/12/news994269783.php) (12/17/2008).
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RE: A Palestinian man speaks out.
About inhumane attacks.... Please tell me, have you ever seen attacks anywhere when all people are warned in advance about the attack in various ways (SMS, leaflets, “knock on the roof”), and are told how is the best way to leave the attack zone long before it starts? I did not see. The Americans attack without warning; Russia attacks without warning;But don’t you care about the fact that Hamas, elected by the majority of the population of Gaza, does not let people out of the shelling zone, thus creating a human shield for itself? Also, don’t you care that the residents of Gaza allowed the construction of tunnels with weapons depots and a complete military infrastructure? Don’t you care? and the fact that constant shelling of Israeli territory was carried out from the territories of hospitals, kindergartens and schools in Gaza? and the residents of Gaza were silent..tolerated..and also rejoiced at the massacre in the Israeli kibbutzim,,, God is their judge, but every nation receives the leadership it deserves