Drewski Forum Posts (343)

Obama Intent on Keeping His Word - Again

Ray

Iraqis desire to be free to decide their own fate unlike what Saddam offered. To pull out too soon and allow forces which can upset the fragile democracy may return it to what it was or worse, therefore, it is only too late when we are unable to do anything about that threat.

Ray

Yes, I wish he was more forceful too. The pandering to the left by utilizing too few forces to secure the country allowed Qutbists and factionalized entities to congeal and attempt to take power rather than allow the people to simply decide themselves in peace.

Ray

You’re not sure about occupying the entire world? Interesting that you yourself are not sure while everybody else including Bush were only fixated on Iraq.


Ray

The troofer is out there.

Ray

And Obama is in on it as they, the all powerful Globalists allowed him to.

Ray

Good thing he’s not in charge.

Obama Intent on Keeping His Word - Again

Gypsy

As in Germany and Japan or did you have an actual precedent of your own in mind?

Gypsy

No. I agree with you it would not be viable to occupy the Middle East for good.

Gypsy

That was but one of the reasons given. The others were to prosecute the War on Terror and conduct the official policy of the US towards Iraq since the Clinton era which was regime change.

Gypsy

Glad you see it the same as I do. Freedom of speech and the right to protest are cornerstones of democracy, loving the USA is not a prerequisite of freedom, it is ho hum Parisian radicalism.

LucasAus

1. None of them were adjacent to Saudi Arabia and thus, any deployment of US troops would not facilitate pressure on the regime to crack down on Qutbists who enjoyed fifty percent active and passive support within the Kingdom.

2. None of them were slated by Congress for regime change as policy of the US.

3. None of them were in violation of the ceasefire terms as described in UNSC resolutions 660 – 1441.

4. None of them had the ability or resources to rebuild themselves once regime change occurred.

5. None of them had a leader who was a regional threat.

6. Pakistan is an ally in the War on Terror who’s position is more precarious as the royal Family of Saudi Arabia was hence, will more than likely be the last action taken in the war on Terror.

Obama Intent on Keeping His Word - Again

Gypsy
All the reasons for the war were accomplished which included ....

- to get Iraq to comply with ceasefire terms
- to stop Iraq’s Inadvertence to UNSC resolutions
- to force Iraq to cease it’s violation of human rights
- to stop Iraq’s material breaches of UNSC resolutions
- to end Iraq’s WMD capability and aspirations
- to end repression of Iraq’s civilian population
- to force Iraq to return or cooperate in accounting for Kuwaiti and third country nationals
- to force Iraq to return Kuwaiti property wrongfully seized by Iraq,
- to end Iraqi Support for terrorism
- to show America has the will to help allies and destroy foes
- to depose a regional threat take in Saddam that would have to be dealt with sooner or later
- to force action from SA to take care of it's radicals
- to pressure other regimes in the area not to provide passive or active support to Jihadists
- to position US troops in the region in force to enable that pressure
- to aid their global and NATO mission by placing a Strategic Air Support base
- to support and help create an Arab democracy as an example to others

So, what part of it was a defeat?

Obama Intent on Keeping His Word - Again

Gypsy

Actually he inherited a UN mandated occupation years after a war has occurred. At relative peace at the moment compared to what it once was he risks losing an expensive and hard won victory.

As I said, I hope that for Iraq's sake he knows what he is doing.

Obama Intent on Keeping His Word - Again

Plans to continue pullout of Iraq despite advice of senior military commanders.







Hope and Change. I admire his conviction and willingness to push forward but sure hope for Iraqis sake he knows what he's doing.

RE: Twenty-Eight days of Black History

Happily

At least 54% of the American voters would disagree you as well. Which leaves the other 46% as probably disagreeing with you too as they had Black, Hispanic and other racial people working in key positions within the Republican administration.

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Hugz

Well done now, address my refutations to your video that you challenged me to refute.

Then we can move onto other things.

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Hugz

Pardon me? I debate with facts, civility and when I do attack, it is the supposed fact or opinion not the poster. Unlike yourself who not voluminous cut and pastes that I cannot back up when challenged on it, I told you that when address them all I will certainly reciprocate. After all, why should I tell somebody something personal that does not even back up their own shtick when refuted?

Hugz

Well for that matter, why should I give personal information to somebody who refuses to even address the points they asked for previously? I've had experience as a minority but as for being oppressed or experiencing genocide, .... please.

Now, still waiting for you to address your outstanding and rather old points to which you challenged me to refute before we move onto new business thanks.

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Hugz

You're right I didn't. One thing at a time and your tardiness in addressing my rebuttals to your four day old post is not about to get my answer any faster.

Hugz

Strange, there are currently 39 known juvenile political prisoners, detained in various prisons in Tibet

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Hugz

Sorry Hugz, you still haven't cleared up the bogus facts from you video so, until then, anything you post is probably the same crapola.

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Hugz

Isn't it the year 2009 right now? Of course, you're not too good with numbers so I can excuse that error. In any case, rockets got into Gaza through tunnels as they certainly didn't go through Israeli checkpoints.

RE: Twenty-Eight days of Black History

Happily

No there is not but when you deny your nationality by only being half then I believe that is wrong.

Happily

Not a bit. I'm proud of my First Nation and White European heritage but I don't need to call my self 'Original-Canadian' in order to have some sort of illusion of superiority. I'm Canadian and, only Canadian as this is enough for anybody i believe.

Happily

Fine however, when they continually say they are Greek Canadian I wonder why they don't like this country enough to join it completely.

Happily

While they are certainly free to go visit Greece or whatever with my blessings, this is their home and, to allude otherwise by describing themselves as only half of this and the other half that is diluting their patriotism in order to appear superior to others. You are either a Canadian or not.

Happily

I have never forgotten mine but, have never shoved it down anyone's throat by continually referring to myself as 'Original-Canadian.'

Happily

I've also been and lived all over the Middle East, Europe and North Africa and seen things, met great people and experienced things that you can only dream off while you 'traveled' around the US once or twice so no, don't feel sorry for me.

Happily

Yes and “ignorance is the mother of presumption” as you have proved.

Happily

Ah the presumption of superiority swells withing you, you don't know me so how can you just come out with this garbage?

Happily

'Drewski' or a respectful abbreviation is my name thanks. If you cannot be civil then don't bother responding with your drivel.

And you have a great day too!

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Were those 'pretend' tunnels and rockets?

Oh, it's you Lilly. Guess not. Thought it was Highfidelity again.

Say, wondering ...... how come Hamas has weapons when Hugz said they didn't and could therefore not be a military?

Just wondering.

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Highfidelity



It's called 'playing diplomat' because in the real world Highfidelity, Hamas officialy has the destruction of Irael as it's official policy centerpiece and, states that it will not negotiate with Israel or the international community whatsoever.

Of course, if you had bothered reading their charter instead of just doing cut and paste from all your hate Israel kook sites you would know that.

So, while you live in a pretend world, Hamas, in the real world has no intention of living in peace with anybody save themselves in a Palestine they have eradicated of all Israelis.

"Let us pretend for a moment"

Yes, let's pretend that you actually have a sense of reality.

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Highfidelity

Did you and Hugz take an oath of some kind not to inform yourselves? She has stated that she does not have to read the charter of Hamas and has proved herself more than a few times that she has not. Now, you prove that you have not either otherwise you would know that Hamas does not negotiate or, sit down to talk peac.

What they say........

RE: hiya

Wen is a head of state and he was assaulted. I suppose you would give a thumbs up if Obama goes to Iran and receives same from an America hating creep? I certainly don't. Like them or not, like their countries or not, they are heads of state and, should be concerned about their duties as such, not trying to dodge immature people who can't control themselves.

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Hugz believes that Israel is the only country on earth that publicly jails activists without trial.



Nobel peace laureate Suu Kyi, the face of Myanmar’s beleaguered opposition, has been detained without trial for about 13 of the past 19 years, despite a worldwide campaign calling on the country’s military rulers to release her.



In many countries, especially in Asia, a system of long-term detention has been developing. Prisoners are kept in poor prison conditions year after year and the authorities do not grant them the basic right to a trial.

Hugz

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Hugz

So the self described Hamas military wing known as Izzedeen al-Qassam Brigades is not a military to you? Just a bunch of unemployed guys running around looking for chicks or, how would you describe this force that has a command structure and describes themselves as a military unit?

Hugz

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Hugz

Hamas is a group of civilians? Hugz, it is the government of the nation of Palestine. It has all the functions and responsibilities of a normal government which include social welfare, education, law enforcement, defense and such. It is not simply a gaggle of guys.

Here are five hundred thousand links about the Military Wing of Hamas.



Oh, and you know the guy who was quoted as saying he and his army would use civilians as human shields? He's Fathi Ahmad Hammad, leader of the Izzedeen al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas.



Hugz

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Hugz

Oh really? You said that your video was all factual and challenged me to disprove it and now, you still come here to say that Fathi Ahmad Hammad, member of the Palestinian Legislative Council never said this ......

What he said......

Hammad is a leader of the Izzedeen al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas, and in 2006 was elected to the Palestinian Parliament as a Hamas representative. He is also director of Al-Aqsa TV, which aired his comments on February 29.

Even though you say he never said it you can watch him say it here .....



Point from Hugz video proved false in this post .....


Hugz

Which ones are not on the video Hugz? Wondering, have you even seen the thing? I have and, typed out the contentious lies as they flashed up on the screen then did some research to expose most of them as fabrications. You obviously have not seen it.

Hugz contentions =

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Hugz

Whatever Hugz. I called you on your vid and now you are to debate counter points after you called every statement in it a fact. Your newer 'facts' mean nothing as they are probably rehashed from the same video so until this is settled, you don't have much credibility.

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Highfidelity

Sure, there is but seems your antennae are tuned to the Koolective sound machine from Hamas. wondering why you only promote the Palestinian propaganda against Israel and never the reverse.

Can you at least say that you think that Hamas, the government of Palestine is wrong? Wrong in both using their own children as human bombs to deliberately target Israeli children and, that their charter which states that a Jihad must obliterate the state of Israel and, that their official stance of hiding behind women and children and using them as human shields is wrong?

If you can't, and only complain about Israel's actions then you are simply part of the problem which you complain about.

Highfidelity

For a place where supposedly no news was getting out you sure were able to write a lot of the Israeli atrocities occurring there so I suppose you do.

Highfidelity

And as I commented on before that contrary to what many were saying, unlike Hamas which does not admit to using too much force or, to making errors or, holding inquiries, at least Israel goes through the motions.

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Lilly

Hamas are gutless cowards and need women and children to fight and take punishment for them. And don't hold your breath waiting for any inquiry into the war crimes these vermin commit. Avnery says that possibly there may have been crimes committed by the Israeli side but, I sure know that blowing up a bus full of kids is a crime.

Funny some here on this thread don't have the sense to understand that obvious point and so, direct their bigoted hate towards one entity only. Even when no doubt exists that terrorism in the form of deliberately targeting children and kids in buses, pizza parlors and such has no military value and is pure crimes against humanity.

RE: Twenty-Eight days of Black History

Rastaman



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Rastaman

RE: Twenty-Eight days of Black History

Pretzelman

Or in Canada for that matter. I'm so sick of the hyphenated Canadians and their 'special Canadian in your face status' crap. That said, we are all Americans or Canadians so why should we not make efforts to learn about all of our histories rather than just the white ones?

I personally think this thread is right on track as a starter for some waking up to history.

RE: Twenty-Eight days of Black History

Heck, Canadian black people we have Michelle Jean our Governor General.

RE: Twenty-Eight days of Black History

Well Rastaman, you caught me on this one. Only ones that come to mind are Frederick Douglass, Aaron Douglas, George Carver, Richard Drew, Rosa Parks and all the rest like Malcolm X and a bunch of sports figures and musicians like Lois Armstrong that everybody else knows.

I wonder, as this is black history month, possibly you cold give us some interesting ones that are not civil rights leaders or activists, sports figures, musicians etc. Surely there must be some explorers, military leaders, philosophers and kings out there that we don't know about.

Ooops, one comes to mind, Peary's man at the North Pole, Matthew Hensen. Here is his website

RE: This commercial was declined for the Super Bowl

It is a good ad however, I could tell what the end was going to be about a third of the way through. Why they didn't air it I don't know however, a couple of points are fallacies;

1. Obama is not African American, he is of mixed race and;

2. If he is considered African American, he is actually the second Black President. Harding was first.

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Lilly

Not really Lilly. Most people will just continue on with their biased shtick of how impartial they are and then just bash Israel without mentioning anything you have just passed on. Heck, most have not even bothered to read the charter of Hamas yet have an opinion that they believe gives them the right to speak with authority.

The hate filled people on both sides I don't care for however, it is seriously vile when somebody who is supposedly impartial has to distort truth to hate one side in this tragedy. That is a betrayal of the free speech and relative intellectual freedom that we in the west have been blessed with, and all so they can play the part of Lenins Useful Idiots for the Hamas sound machine.

The Israelis being attacked can carry on in relative peace however, who I feel truly sorry for are those Palestinians who actually want peace and, not a life of hate for their children and simply wish this to stop.

Hamas doesn't give a dam about them. If they did they would at least try to negotiate rather than officially state that to talk is not within their program. funny, strapping bombs on the sons of the people they profess to help is part of the progressive plan they have.

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Hugz

Hugz so called counter proof

Taken directly from the US Military Code of Justice. Guess sometimes a good old fashioned non bogus site is needed to get you to prove your own point a non fact. Even if it is only 1/2 of the story.