Profound Love or profane love (19)
Dagosto: Yes and I appreciate the effort, as I know when you post in Forums you are usually using your other head. But that doesn't make your insight here less valid.
(I have taken the liberty of editing your quote, above, from "don't just me" to "don't just mean," as I expect you intended, because you raised an interesting point.)
(I have taken the liberty of editing your quote, above, from "don't just me" to "don't just mean," as I expect you intended, because you raised an interesting point.)
Cheers mate,told you it wasnt easy!
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" Never mind the moon, get them doon " .... Rab C.Nesbitt ( atheist )
IMO both forms of love are an illusion of personal necessity and equally valid.
sorry, no typos ....
... oi t'ink
IMO both forms of love are an illusion of personal necessity and equally valid.
sorry, no typos ....
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RDM59: " Never mind the moon, get them doon " .... Rab C.Nesbitt ( atheist )
IMO both forms of love are an illusion of personal necessity and equally valid.sorry, no typos .... ... oi t'ink
IMO both forms of love are an illusion of personal necessity and equally valid.sorry, no typos .... ... oi t'ink
Ok, a fair assessment, R. But, you say "both." Is there some difference then, that makes the two discreet? If so, what is it?
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Dagosto: Ok, a fair assessment, R. But, you say "both." Is there some difference then, that makes the two discreet? If so, what is it?
One of the illusions will never disappear as it is TOTALLY under your own control.
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In my opinion Love is Love 
Getting right down to the nitty gritty if you Love someone or something, you hold that person in your heart and have respect and concern for their welfare.
You have a feeling of nurturing and protection towards them. A feeling of never wanting to cause them any hurt, distress and definately not to let them down in any way..
I just think whether it is my fella, God or my puppy, its all Love in equal measures
Getting right down to the nitty gritty if you Love someone or something, you hold that person in your heart and have respect and concern for their welfare.
You have a feeling of nurturing and protection towards them. A feeling of never wanting to cause them any hurt, distress and definately not to let them down in any way..
I just think whether it is my fella, God or my puppy, its all Love in equal measures
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SummerUK: In my opinion Love is Love
Getting right down to the nitty gritty if you Love someone or something, you hold that person in your heart and have respect and concern for their welfare.
You have a feeling of nurturing and protection towards them. A feeling of never wanting to cause them any hurt, distress and definately not to let them down in any way..
I just think whether it is my fella, God or my puppy, its all Love in equal measures
Getting right down to the nitty gritty if you Love someone or something, you hold that person in your heart and have respect and concern for their welfare.
You have a feeling of nurturing and protection towards them. A feeling of never wanting to cause them any hurt, distress and definately not to let them down in any way..
I just think whether it is my fella, God or my puppy, its all Love in equal measures
Is it? Consider the classic overboard scenario: You, your fella, your puppy, and there's only two life preservers. Is it really a fair choice as to who's gonna drown and die?
Happy puppy! Happy puppy! Yes you're a good dog, aren't you? Happy puppy!
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Dagosto: Is it? Consider the classic overboard scenario: You, your fella, your puppy, and there's only two life preservers. Is it really a fair choice as to who's gonna drown and die?
Happy puppy! Happy puppy! Yes you're a good dog, aren't you? Happy puppy!
Not really a good scenario Dag... I would hold onto the puppy of course Happy puppy! Happy puppy! Yes you're a good dog, aren't you? Happy puppy!
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SummerUK: Not really a good scenario Dag... I would hold onto the puppy of course
Sure. Only joking, we are, but...it does illustrate, there are different types, or levels, of love, doesn't it? So back to the original question: is the love of faith different from romantic love, or isn't it? If it is different, how?
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Dagosto: Sure. Only joking, we are, but...it does illustrate, there are different types, or levels, of love, doesn't it? So back to the original question: is the love of faith different from romantic love, or isn't it? If it is different, how?
Yes but I did answer. I don't think there is any difference. I think Love is Love Your original question wasn't about who you love more or less. No one knows how they will react in any given situaton (re your scenario) We may think we know but we really don't and in fact we sometimes react in the complete opposite way in which we always believed we would
Its only my opinion
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SummerUK: Yes but I did answer. I don't think there is any difference. I think Love is Love
Your original question wasn't about who you love more or less. No one knows how they will react in any given situaton (re your scenario) We may think we know but we really don't and in fact we sometimes react in the complete opposite way in which we always believed we would
Its only my opinion
Your original question wasn't about who you love more or less. No one knows how they will react in any given situaton (re your scenario) We may think we know but we really don't and in fact we sometimes react in the complete opposite way in which we always believed we would
Its only my opinion
A very wise assessment, if I may say so, Summer.
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Dagosto: A very wise assessment, if I may say so, Summer.
Not an assessment sadly.. I've been there in the worst situation possible and I did react in the absolute opposite way to which I'd always believed I would.------ This thread is Archived ------
bump ...
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I'm gonna go and have a cup of tea and think about this...
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jac379: I'm gonna go and have a cup of tea and think about this...
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Dagosto: Here's 3 quotes:
"I am a flame, dancing in love's fire." -- Rumi, 13th c. Persia
"My heart is gladder than all of these, because the birthday of my life, my love, is come to me." -- Christina Rossetti, 19th c. England
"How can I measure up for anyone else, after such a love as this?" -- Pete Townshend, contemporary, England
Here we've three writers of some distinction, all describing their feelings of love. And at first glance, all might seem to be describing feelings of romantic love. In fact, all three, separated by centuries, are actually writing of their religious devotion. Even more startling, all three write of three different faiths! (Rumi of his Islamic faith, Rossetti of her Christian faith, Townshend of his devotion to the Avatar, Meher Baba.)
So my question is, is there a difference between romantic love and religious devotion, the love one feels for one's deity of choice? Given these examples, the two could easily be confused. Or is it simply the manner of expressing love that makes them sound similiar? And by corollary, is there a spiritual aspect to romantic love?
"I am a flame, dancing in love's fire." -- Rumi, 13th c. Persia
"My heart is gladder than all of these, because the birthday of my life, my love, is come to me." -- Christina Rossetti, 19th c. England
"How can I measure up for anyone else, after such a love as this?" -- Pete Townshend, contemporary, England
Here we've three writers of some distinction, all describing their feelings of love. And at first glance, all might seem to be describing feelings of romantic love. In fact, all three, separated by centuries, are actually writing of their religious devotion. Even more startling, all three write of three different faiths! (Rumi of his Islamic faith, Rossetti of her Christian faith, Townshend of his devotion to the Avatar, Meher Baba.)
So my question is, is there a difference between romantic love and religious devotion, the love one feels for one's deity of choice? Given these examples, the two could easily be confused. Or is it simply the manner of expressing love that makes them sound similiar? And by corollary, is there a spiritual aspect to romantic love?
Love, like all other emotions, is a decision we make. We feel it, or measure it, by the amount of joy, ecstacy, happiness, contentment, or peace we get from it.
When we change our minds, (through someone not loving us back, or loss of a belief, or feeling of a Diety letting s down), love is gone.
There is no difference, whether it is religious, personal, whether we are alone, or with others. Love is just the self satisfaction we get from deciding to feel good about something, or someone.
For some people this can equate to a spiritual experience, no matter if the recipient is a diety or a person.
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Love is a concept and as such, is a mecurial, tricksie little tyke.
Perhaps you're trying to capture air with this question?
To try and formalize, or define a concept like love, is to ignore that each individual's concept will be different, just like when we look at green, we both may agree its called green, but have no way of knowing that we are seeing the same colour.
There is perhaps another parallel between sacred and profane love. Given that they are both concepts unique to each individual, to try and formalize, or define love is a false imposition akin to organized religion. Once you do that, the concept starts to become corrupted by the boundaries and expectations that you place upon it.
It's notable that Time claims to have no experience of either sacred, or profane love, but has to be one of the most compassionate people who contributes on these forums. Perhaps the respect that he has for other humans, regardless of their status in life, is a far more functional form of love than either romantic, or religious love. It is maybe more encompassing in its pragmatism...and it probably would have a better end result if we were all to employ the same ethos.
Perhaps you're trying to capture a butterfly, who, once caught, has much of its beauty and power removed?
Perhaps you're trying to capture air with this question?
To try and formalize, or define a concept like love, is to ignore that each individual's concept will be different, just like when we look at green, we both may agree its called green, but have no way of knowing that we are seeing the same colour.
There is perhaps another parallel between sacred and profane love. Given that they are both concepts unique to each individual, to try and formalize, or define love is a false imposition akin to organized religion. Once you do that, the concept starts to become corrupted by the boundaries and expectations that you place upon it.
It's notable that Time claims to have no experience of either sacred, or profane love, but has to be one of the most compassionate people who contributes on these forums. Perhaps the respect that he has for other humans, regardless of their status in life, is a far more functional form of love than either romantic, or religious love. It is maybe more encompassing in its pragmatism...and it probably would have a better end result if we were all to employ the same ethos.
Perhaps you're trying to capture a butterfly, who, once caught, has much of its beauty and power removed?
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reb56: w/ brandy in it?
I'll have that dash of brandy now, thanks Reb.
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Dagosto: Here's 3 quotes:
"I am a flame, dancing in love's fire." -- Rumi, 13th c. Persia
"My heart is gladder than all of these, because the birthday of my life, my love, is come to me." -- Christina Rossetti, 19th c. England
"How can I measure up for anyone else, after such a love as this?" -- Pete Townshend, contemporary, England
Here we've three writers of some distinction, all describing their feelings of love. And at first glance, all might seem to be describing feelings of romantic love. In fact, all three, separated by centuries, are actually writing of their religious devotion. Even more startling, all three write of three different faiths! (Rumi of his Islamic faith, Rossetti of her Christian faith, Townshend of his devotion to the Avatar, Meher Baba.)
So my question is, is there a difference between romantic love and religious devotion, the love one feels for one's deity of choice? Given these examples, the two could easily be confused. Or is it simply the manner of expressing love that makes them sound similiar? And by corollary, is there a spiritual aspect to romantic love?
"I am a flame, dancing in love's fire." -- Rumi, 13th c. Persia
"My heart is gladder than all of these, because the birthday of my life, my love, is come to me." -- Christina Rossetti, 19th c. England
"How can I measure up for anyone else, after such a love as this?" -- Pete Townshend, contemporary, England
Here we've three writers of some distinction, all describing their feelings of love. And at first glance, all might seem to be describing feelings of romantic love. In fact, all three, separated by centuries, are actually writing of their religious devotion. Even more startling, all three write of three different faiths! (Rumi of his Islamic faith, Rossetti of her Christian faith, Townshend of his devotion to the Avatar, Meher Baba.)
So my question is, is there a difference between romantic love and religious devotion, the love one feels for one's deity of choice? Given these examples, the two could easily be confused. Or is it simply the manner of expressing love that makes them sound similiar? And by corollary, is there a spiritual aspect to romantic love?
In describing "romantic" love to someone recently, I wrote this..."If love is a burning desire, it rages in my heart, uncontrolled, fed by the winds of time.".... cr 2011..
In describing to me her love for Christ, my daughter explained it this way..."He lives within me now because I have opened the door to my heart and invited Him in...In everything I do, I "first" consider how it will affect my relationship with Him."....
Two statement about love....Very similar, or completely different?
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"I am a flame, dancing in love's fire." -- Rumi, 13th c. Persia
"My heart is gladder than all of these, because the birthday of my life, my love, is come to me." -- Christina Rossetti, 19th c. England
"How can I measure up for anyone else, after such a love as this?" -- Pete Townshend, contemporary, England
Here we've three writers of some distinction, all describing their feelings of love. And at first glance, all might seem to be describing feelings of romantic love. In fact, all three, separated by centuries, are actually writing of their religious devotion. Even more startling, all three write of three different faiths! (Rumi of his Islamic faith, Rossetti of her Christian faith, Townshend of his devotion to the Avatar, Meher Baba.)
So my question is, is there a difference between romantic love and religious devotion, the love one feels for one's deity of choice? Given these examples, the two could easily be confused. Or is it simply the manner of expressing love that makes them sound similiar? And by corollary, is there a spiritual aspect to romantic love?