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Nov 2, 2008 9:23 PM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
I oculd be wrong about chronology but the order of empires and the story of gods/saviors began in Mesopatamia, the Sumarians, then the Persians, greeks, then Egypt before the Romans conqured them and took over the story from them, changed the saviors name to christ to appease the Jews and have since severely edited the bible (that original story started in Sumar). So what Empire claims ownership of this story now? Aren't many empires around are there ... hmmm
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Nov 2, 2008 9:26 PM CST God & Politics/Power
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
BnaturAl: Have you digested that post yet? What do you think Egypt's part in this drama is?


Anceint knowledge...Summerian.
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Nov 2, 2008 9:26 PM CST God & Politics/Power
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
BnaturAl: I oculd be wrong about chronology but the order of empires and the story of gods/saviors began in Mesopatamia, the Sumarians, then the Persians, greeks, then Egypt before the Romans conqured them and took over the story from them, changed the saviors name to christ to appease the Jews and have since severely edited the bible (that original story started in Sumar). So what Empire claims ownership of this story now? Aren't many empires around are there ...


I'll claim it, send me your gold and your women!laugh


Do I really need an empire to do this?confused mumbling
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Nov 2, 2008 9:27 PM CST God & Politics/Power
airliner
airlinerairlinerCentral, New Jersey USA23 Threads 2 Polls 5,143 Posts
kidatheart: I'll claim it, send me your gold and your women! Do I really need an empire to do this?


I wan sum toolaugh
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Nov 2, 2008 9:34 PM CST God & Politics/Power
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
airliner: I wan sum too



Ok, you can be in charge of the east coast. thumbs up


wave


I'm sure we could run this better than the current "mafia".laugh
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Nov 2, 2008 9:35 PM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
jbibiza: This is an area that I need to learn a lot more about because my views seem to be so different then what seems to be the views of the majority.

What my understanding is, is that after the war there were a bunch of displaced Jewish people that no one wanted. So the countries that didn´t want them decided to pick a spot to give to them. There were some bible references to a spot in the middle of a bunch of countries that were predominantly Muslem, where Palestinians had lived for years... had homes, business´s etc. but they had to leave to give that land to the Jewish people that no one wanted.

The size of the new country was never viable to be a self sustaining country so they kept taking more and more land from Palestine, when Palestinian people got upset and started to fight to keep their land America gave the Isralies lots of money and weapons in order to keep taking land...

I must be missing something because I really don´t see how Palestine has become the bad guy in all this...

I mean in America everyone owns a gun and if anyone tries to take their home, land or property feel quite justified in using it, why are the Palestinians just expected to give up their homes, land and property without a fight?


It's more about being pawns in a drama play jb. The whole thing originates from ancient mesopatamia, (sumar) and Babylon has been fought for more times than you can shake a stick at. Babylon is where Iraq now stands. It's quite convoluted really, but any concern for inhabitants in Isreal or anywhere is the least of a power monger's agenda.
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Nov 2, 2008 9:37 PM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
kidatheart: I'll claim it, send me your gold and your women! Do I really need an empire to do this?


confused well you'd be going up against one so I'm thinking you'd need some pretty big buddies at the very least laugh wave
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Nov 2, 2008 9:42 PM CST God & Politics/Power
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
BnaturAl: well you'd be going up against one so I'm thinking you'd need some pretty big buddies at the very least



Awww Al, don't ruin my dream of being able to afford warm climes, sunshine and the ability to pick presidents.laugh

wave
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Nov 2, 2008 9:42 PM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
kidatheart: Ok, you can be in charge of the east coast. I'm sure we could run this better than the current "mafia".


I can just see tons of iron and scrap metal piled up on the west bank rolling on the floor laughing wave
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Nov 2, 2008 9:43 PM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
kidatheart: Awww Al, don't ruin my dream of being able to afford warm climes, sunshine and the ability to pick presidents.


ok, sorry, go for it ... what would like on your tombstone after the hellfire and damnation you go through? laugh
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Nov 2, 2008 9:45 PM CST God & Politics/Power
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
BnaturAl: I can just see tons of iron and scrap metal piled up on the west bank


Oh you know my weakness.blushing

SCRAPYARDS!!!love laugh

It doesn't even have to be shiny.rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 2, 2008 9:46 PM CST God & Politics/Power
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
BnaturAl: ok, sorry, go for it ... what would like on your tombstone after the hellfire and damnation you go through?



He tried, but was still an idiot.rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 2, 2008 9:47 PM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
kidatheart: Oh you know my weakness.

SCRAPYARDS!!!

It doesn't even have to be shiny.



rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 2, 2008 9:48 PM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
kidatheart: He tried, but was still an idiot.


thats taken, by Sadam Husein .... something else?


laugh
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Nov 2, 2008 10:02 PM CST God & Politics/Power
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
BnaturAl: thats taken, by Sadam Husein .... something else?



"Lost in a dream of a better day, when all are truly human, and understanding"
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Nov 2, 2008 10:06 PM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
kidatheart: "Lost in a dream of a better day, when all are truly human, and understanding"



wow going to need an engraver who can spell and engrave really small letters grin
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Nov 2, 2008 10:08 PM CST God & Politics/Power
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
BnaturAl: going to need an engraver who can spell and engrave really small letters



When I die, they'll never find my body.devil

laugh
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Nov 2, 2008 10:15 PM CST God & Politics/Power
IMmeURyou
IMmeURyouIMmeURyouDe Pere, Wisconsin USA4 Threads 1,192 Posts
others motives are hard to interperate, props to skybow for her thorough attempt at understanding this nearly ununderstandable subject. i think it depends on which group of people we are looking at, i think their are varying views. My honest opinion why it is such an important issue to polititions is because jewish americans tend to be a highly active voting block, and pandering is abound in politics. then there is the extremeist christian wackos who believe that they have to preserve isreal so when jesus comes back during armageddon he can let them have it. then there are several shades of grey in between, wether it be to preserve the sovergnty of Isreal for the Jewish people after what happened to them during the holocost (a noble notion), orto have an allie in region not so friendly to us from where we can launch military operations (not so noble). There are many other reasons one could give for the support of isreal, i however am no expert and just stumbled upon this post, skimmed it a bit and rattled off a few ideas. But as far as the polititians are concerned i think their after votes, just my uneducated opinion.
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Nov 3, 2008 7:43 AM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
IMmeURyou: others motives are hard to interperate, props to skybow for her thorough attempt at understanding this nearly ununderstandable subject. i think it depends on which group of people we are looking at, i think their are varying views. My honest opinion why it is such an important issue to polititions is because jewish americans tend to be a highly active voting block, and pandering is abound in politics. then there is the extremeist christian wackos who believe that they have to preserve isreal so when jesus comes back during armageddon he can let them have it. then there are several shades of grey in between, wether it be to preserve the sovergnty of Isreal for the Jewish people after what happened to them during the holocost (a noble notion), orto have an allie in region not so friendly to us from where we can launch military operations (not so noble). There are many other reasons one could give for the support of isreal, i however am no expert and just stumbled upon this post, skimmed it a bit and rattled off a few ideas. But as far as the polititians are concerned i think their after votes, just my uneducated opinion.


You're not too far and as you have noted, skimming won't get at the core of what's going on. The bible is quite clear and so is the 'empire's' intent. What puzzles me now in light of this information is the part other countries play in this fullfillment of faerie tale christ. The US sends (foreign aid) a great deal of money to Isreal, and to Egypt as well. They also have a lot of Isreali contracts on US soil. And also toss a lot of money into Babylon (Iraq) even though Iraq has a surplus and could support themsleves and whatever troops they figure are needed there. confused If the biblical fantasy is being pushed to conclusion like some self (empire) fulfilling prophecy it's evident who the palyers are; but what is each one's goal?

When the expectation is that 2/3 of the jewish nation will be anihilated, the lack of concern for inhabitants is unconscionable; but leaders of empires rarely have concern for collateral damage in their quests.

Voting is an abhoration in the US. Two parties, in which the party leaders select someone from "their" ranks, means that anyone who doesn't submit to the party line and goals has no chance of getting to the voting booths as a candidate. It hasn't been a true democracy for some time. You're literally choosing from people selected by the empirist policy setters who just happen to be (no surprise) right wing christian bullet heads.
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Nov 3, 2008 7:44 AM CST God & Politics/Power
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
kidatheart: When I die, they'll never find my body.


and you won't need it anyway.. laugh
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