rodolpho: Sorry to rock your boat but thats nonsense.Even cannabis is not a gatewaydrug and it had been proven by state authorities in Holland.Could give you the link but you cant read dutch anyway i think.Just take my word for it.Been there done it all.
Explain that to some of my Buddies,who are on Crack,and started out with Pot.
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and that ur swiss i didnt read u just sound like an american,i would have thought the swiss were more openminded but he, every country got its own negatives.Maybe you can read dutch so i will give you the link next.
Has anybody ever seen the ACLU's "Odering a Pizza" short skit? Very funny and very true. Under Total Information Awareness THEY are going to know every last detail of your life and make you PAY wherever they can.
You're right. I didn't want to get into the science and politics on this thread, but the research I did revealed exactly the same thing. The numbers and the conclusions are inconclusive, but people tend not to let facts get in the way of a good story, you know
galaxy15: Just thought I'd correct this - I accidentally posted this as a quote from someone else - somehow it ended up with my name on it.
I actually think there is a far worse issue here - and it relates to respect for our fellow beings - animals included. There really is no-one who can claim to have not infringed on anyones right to anything. The modern world has availed us of a limited number of 'friendly' pursuits. We think we have choice, but there is always someone ready to 'killjoy'. If we lived our lives tiptoeing around other people, we would never get anything done - live, for instance.
I researched the 'smoking' thing, and could not find a definitive study, anywhere, which positively (scientifically) proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that smoking was the sole cause of lung cancer - or any other cancer for that matter. I'm not saying it doesn't contribute, but, scientifically speaking, 100% of smokers do not die of lung cancer 100% of the time. To claim this is, fudging the statistics - and lets face it, it wouldn't be the first time statistics were fudged! To add to this, there is a little anomoly of non-smokers getting lung cancer. There is clearly more than one toxic substance at work here - but comparative studies are extremely rare to find! The one thing we all do, smokers and non-smokers alike is breathe in through our noses and into our lungs. All I am saying is - what else are we breathing that gives us lung cancer? Cancer does not limit itself to one part of the body, depending on what we do - it clearly goes to the weakest area - which is why non-smokers get lung cancer. Second hand smoke is a convenient cop out. What are non-smokers who get lung cancer breathing into thier lungs - and if non smokers are so healthy (do not smoke) why is the cancer choosing the lungs to reside in?
Great post, thanks Indeed, the potential for this to come up in another context in the future is certainly there and if I know anything about business, I'd wager that that is a consideration.
venere08: Addictions such as smoking, alcohol, gambling... and eating disorders, including binge eating, are included in the DSM-1V-Revised, an international medical reference with coded mental health disorders. For a couple of years now, a doctor or psychiatrist can now refer the patient to a psychologist under the Federal Govt Better Access and Better Outcomes initiatives. This allows a person to be eligible for up to 12-18 sessions per calendar year, with reviews, with rebates from Medicare. Members of the public are voluntarily presenting to their doctors, or else the referral is initiated by their doctor or psychiatrist. This can include children as well as adults. It does open up pandora's box, when later applying for eg life insurance etc. But then this has always been a potential issue for people on Third Party Stress Claims, or work related mental health 'injury'.
Frankly, insurers just need to get onto CS, and the lot of us could be tainted with the 'addiction' brush!!! Scary thought!
Brilliant!! and true, indeed. It's all about the $$
norslyman: Has anybody ever seen the ACLU's "Odering a Pizza" short skit? Very funny and very true. Under Total Information Awareness THEY are going to know every last detail of your life and make you PAY wherever they can.
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