True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton. ( Archived) (15)

Mar 15, 2009 2:04 PM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
norslyman
norslymannorslymanMinneapolis, Minnesota USA21 Threads 151 Posts
Back off pagans professor the Druids are OUR history. You can't have them.tongue


Every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon I have given you, as I said to Moses." Joshua 1:3

What do the names: Joshua , Jesus , Hesus , Hu Gadarn , Hu the Mighty, Yeshua, have in common? They are all the names given to the same biblical Joshua who took the Israelites into the Promised Land.

Historical Record

Hu Gadarn, the Joshua of the Old Testament, came to Britain in the early to mid 1300's B.C.


Who was Hu Gadarn? Gadarn is a Welsh word. It means 'the mighty.' Hu was a short form of the Old Celtic name Hesus... . Hesus is the Celtic -- and also the Spanish -- pronunciation of Jesus. ...

Jesus was merely the Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua. Hu or Hesus the Mighty was Joshua the Mighty, the great general who led Israel into Palestine. And the Welsh Triad records that in his later years he also settled Israel peaceably in the British Isle. From there, for trading purposes, they spread to the coasts of the continent..."


He was regarded as the personification of intellectual culture and is commemorated in Welsh archaeology for having made poetry the vehicle of memory, and to have been the inventor of the Triads. To him is attributed the founding of Stonehenge, and introduction of several arts including glass-making and writing in Ogham characters. On Hu Gadarn's standard was depicted the Ox; in this possibly may be discovered the origin of the sobriquet, 'John Bull'.

Druidic History Edited by Rome

Hu Gadarn invented the writing method of Ogham script placed on sticks. Benedictine Monks made sticks with Ogham script and spread them throughout the lands they travelled, centuries later, trying to confuse future historians. The history of Europe was edited and the knowledge of Israelites coming to Britain and Ireland was modified and removed as seen fit by the Catholic monks. The identity of Irish and Scottish ethnic origins was lost to any but astute historians.

"Irish history is the only literature which specifically connects Israel with its past. ... And in Ireland the Catholic monks did their best to make it appear that Ireland was not settled by Hebrews at all, but by Magog! ...

...How Confusion Arose in Irish History

The Domestic Annals were artfully expanded to make it appear that Irish history commenced centuries earlier than it did in fact. The task of the monks was rendered easy by an unusual circumstance. ... Each of these factors made it easy for certain later monks, who followed the Septuagint, to alter and expand the official record."

"... suspect that these histories have, over the centuries, been doctored by the 'Romanophilic' monks, who copied them as a part of a general policy of putting the ancient Britons in a bad light."

"The fact is, Rome began early to covet Ireland. Once they got possession, it was necessary for them to destroy the influence of Jeremiah."

"But if some day the secret archives of the Vatican are opened, new interpretations are conceivable and, above all, new facts may be brought to light."
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Mar 15, 2009 2:05 PM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
norslyman
norslymannorslymanMinneapolis, Minnesota USA21 Threads 151 Posts
The first church set up outside of Judea, was established by Joseph of Aramathea (Christ's uncle), in Glastonbury, England, about four years after the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Joseph of Aramathea was the wealthiest (Jewish) man in the Roman Empire, second only to Caesar. He was a friend of Caesar and owned tin mines in Britain. Joseph's influence took Christianity to Britain, in the first century A.D., long before Christianity flourished in Gentile Asia Minor, under the Apostle Paul.

The Apostles followed their Master's directive to go to the lost sheep of the House of Israel,first. Salvation is of the Jews, first. The tribes of Israel are next, and the Gentiles are sprinkled in, until the Millennial rule of Christ begins. Then, and only then, is the commission to "go ye unto all the world" really fulfilled. Christianity is for Israelites.

In the mind of the Vatican, the year 2000 is to begin the millennial rule of the Vicar of Christ, not Jesus Christ Himself. The year of repentance is to prepare the world for the institution of a new world order, under the influence of the Catholic Church. It is too bad if you are Protestant, even worse if you are Jewish or a Seventh Day Sabbath keeper.

The Significance of Joshua in Britain

What scripture says: " Every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon I have given you, as I said to Moses." Joshua 1:3 Never before has there been a historical link which so dramatically sets the British peoples apart from the rest of the world. The presence of Joshua in Ireland and England, makes the British inheritors of the title: 'a chosen people', of the Bible historical account.

The history of the British Isles can now be rewritten to re-establish the national inheritance of the Celtic and Anglo-Saxon peoples with that of the chosen people of the Bible.


Conclusion

The fact that Joshua was in Britain, is the missing link between the Identity Movement and the British peoples. Wherever Joshua placed his feet , became the soil of the Hebrews, known as Israel. The British Isles are the inherited lands of the Tribe of Ephraim, and a refuge for the Houses of Israel and Judah. Who can deny it? It comes from the mouth of the Almighty God of Israel.



Further reading and research :

Compendium of World History , by Herman L. Hoeh, 1969, Vol. I and II, printed in U.S.A.

The Ten Lost Tribes, Rev. Joseph Wild, D.D., 1883, London: Robert Banks, Printer, Racquet Court, Fleet Street, E.C.
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Mar 15, 2009 2:56 PM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
norslyman: The first church set up outside of Judea, was established by Joseph of Aramathea (Christ's uncle), in Glastonbury, England, about four years after the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Joseph of Aramathea was the wealthiest (Jewish) man in the Roman Empire, second only to Caesar. He was a friend of Caesar and owned tin mines in Britain. Joseph's influence took Christianity to Britain, in the first century A.D., long before Christianity flourished in Gentile Asia Minor, under the Apostle Paul.



Interesting story but exactly, somebodies invention - a corruption begun by Lollo, romaniticied by Graves and now seemingly tampered with by various apologists........ there is much academic doubt cast on the actual existence of Hu Cadern.....

Hu Gadarn
A Cymric pseudo-deity: Hu the Mighty
Hu Gadarn is a Cymric (Welsh) pseudo-deity known only from Iolo Morgannwg's 'improved' versions of the Welsh Traids. In Iolo's tale, Hu is the destroyer of a pool monster, but this does not represent any true native tradition and Iolo's 'Hu Gadarn' is entirely invention.




Synonyms:
Cym: Hu the Mighty

Hu Gadarn is a pseudo-deity, similar to Dwyfan/Dwyfach and, indeed, his mythology is also derived entirely from the version of the Trioedd Ynys Prydain 'improved' by Iolo Morgannwg. Edward Williams , more commonly known by his baridc name of Iolo Morgannwg was a stonemason by trade though he is probably better known as the gratest fantasist in Cymric history. He created the modern institution of the Gorsedd of Bards first held on Primrose Hill in London, 1792. He was an industrious academic and both collected and copied numerous ancient Cymric documents many of which have been verified as authentic. Unfortunatel he could not resist 'improving' other documents. He left a cottage full of documents and the question of their veracity has plagued academics ever since. It is known, however, that a full third of the Trioedd Ynys Prydain (the Triads of Britain) found in Iolo's own hand were of his own invention and the triads and histories relating to Hu Gadarn all fall into this category.
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Mar 15, 2009 2:57 PM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
According to the 'Iolo' triads the race of the Cymry came to Britain from the Summer Realm, known as Deffrobani. From amongst these people rose a great leader known as Hu Gadarn (Hu the Mighty) and under this guidance they left the Summer Realm and using coracles they crossed to Britain. They named the country 'Ynys y Mel' (Island of Honey), such a quantity of honey was found therein. Some time after their arrival in this new land he Cymry were troubled by great floods. These were caused by the Afanc which dwelt in Llyn Llion, causing it to break its banks. No wapon could make any mark on this creature's hide. So, Hu Gadarn resolves to drag it from its pool to where it could do no harm. A girl entices the beast from the lake and while the creature sleeps upon her lap Hu bound it with long iron chains. When the Afanc awoke it perceived what had been done and tearing off the woman's breast it heads for its former home. However, the chains were fastened to Hu Gadarn's team of bannog oxen which were strong enough to pull the beast from its lake and drag it over the mountains to Llyn y Ffynnon Las (Lake of the Green Source) in Cwm Dyli, Eryri. By dragging the Afanc they created a created a passs known ever since as Bwlch Rhiw'r Ychen. So great was the effort involved in dragging the Afanc that one of the oxen dropped an eye and that place henceforward was known as Gwaun Llygad Ych (the moor of the oxen's eye) and the pool formed by the eye is known as Pwwll Llygad Ych (Ox-eye Pool). Though the afanc cannot excape from Llyn Ffynnon Las it is still dangerous to go near it.

There is no evidence supporting this as a geniuine tradition. Indeed, the only mention to Hu Gadarn comes in the Llyfr Coch Rhydderch romance known as 'The Expedition of Charlemagne to Jerusalem and Constantinople, and his adventures with Hu Gadarn'. Here Hu Gadarn is styled as the 'Emperor of Constantinople' which was a common enough allusion in Arthurian legend and may have to do with the splitting of the late Roman empire into the Eastern (Byzantine) and Western empires. The main parallel to the tale above seems to be in the romance of Peredur fab Efrawg where there is another pool monster, the Addanc. Peredur slays this beast with a lancde. But to get close to the beast he employs a stone that renders him invisible. In the tale of Peredur also, he was said to have been the lover of the 'Empress of Constantinople' and it may well be that Iolo Morgannwg drew on these elements when fleshing-out the character of Hu Gadarn.

The 'cult of Hu' has gained some popularity in neopagan circles of late, mostly due to Robert Graves' The White Goddess unfortunately he based much of his 'information' about Celtic deities on Iolo Morgannwg's triads. This and his own imagination may have created an entertaining admixture of myth and fantasy but it has nothing to do with native medieval and earlier Cymric tradition.

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Mar 15, 2009 3:02 PM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
Keep going, guys...I'll be checking back in...this is fascinating. wine
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Mar 15, 2009 3:08 PM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
I love this ancient history stuff too Dru wine

The op gave further sources of reading but not his source reference so I found it
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Mar 15, 2009 3:09 PM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
oops - sorry it was this one

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Mar 15, 2009 3:16 PM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
trish123: oops - sorry it was this one



Cool - I love fiction too! grin
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Mar 15, 2009 6:58 PM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
norslyman
norslymannorslymanMinneapolis, Minnesota USA21 Threads 151 Posts
Hu are you talking about? laugh I guess it is all a matter of Hu's history books you're going to listen to.

One of the easiest ways to track a people is their alphabet. Ogham and Hebrew are very similar in that very few vowels. The sacrifices at Stonehenge were not human, but the very same animals used in the Temple service in Jerusalem according to bones found on the site.

Brit means covenant and ish is man - or covenant man. The tribe of Dan crossed the Danube and became the Danes. The causcasians are the ones who crossed the Caucus Mountains as the 10 tribes migrated north. The Saxons are Isaacs sons = Saacs sons = Saxons.

The Israelites have always been known for their erecting of stones and altars. It is a character trait ever since Jacob laid his head on the rock - stone pillars were used as a witness or remembrance. I have read E Raymond Capt "Great Pryamid Decoded" - a tremendous scholar. These are some more I want to read:


Prehistoric London
By E.O.Gordon

Its Mounds and Circles
Its Mystries and Prophesies


Stonehenge
&
Druidism
E. Raymond Capt


The relationship of Stonehenge to the Great Pyramid and the Bible reveals astonishing facts concerning the origin and purpose of this magnificent monument
MORE THAN A&E OR DISCOVERY
HAS OR WILL EVER TELL YOU



Isle Of Iona
by E Raymond Capt

An Scottish Island so small yet so rich in Christian
History. The Hebrew name for Dove.
The Stone of Destiny was first use here to
crown the King of Scotland and was
useed to Crown all the Kings & Queens of England
up to Elizabeth II and was the Stone Jacob rested his head upon.



I'm sorry I haven't read "Stonehenge and Druidism" yet, but it sounds fascinating. The great pryamind is the "Pillar of Enoch" and contains much incredible hidden knowledge - like the circumference of the earth. Stonehenge is typical of the Israelite "Pillar erecters".
professor
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Mar 15, 2009 9:19 PM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
I found all of this information fascinating. I am drawn very strongly towards my roots in Celtic ancestry, and have not yet done serious study on it, but I'd like to. You two have given me some wonderful sources, and I'll be referring to this info in the future. I made notes. Thank you.

wine
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Mar 16, 2009 4:12 AM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
druidess6308: I found all of this information fascinating. I am drawn very strongly towards my roots in Celtic ancestry, and have not yet done serious study on it, but I'd like to. You two have given me some wonderful sources, and I'll be referring to this info in the future. I made notes. Thank you.


He isnt promoting Celtic history Dru, this is all about a bunch of people who have made eroneous interpretations of the Bible and various other mytholigies to suit their own ends. What he is promoting, and this is evident from the works he claims to have read, is Israeli supremacy, namely, the much discreditied movement of British Israelism and very much goes alongside his thread of the other day promoting eugenics.


While I dont usually cite wikipedia as a source, I nevertheless often do find it a useful starting point in any research which is exactly what I have done in this case, I have followed many of the links and have been reading for a few hours before starting this reply. I suggest a quick read of the following link to verify for yourself what I am saying;



I dont have much time just now but will look further into this as soon as I do - have a great day Dru wave
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Mar 16, 2009 4:38 AM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
trish123: He isnt promoting Celtic history Dru, this is all about a bunch of people who have made eroneous interpretations of the Bible and various other mytholigies to suit their own ends. What he is promoting, and this is evident from the works he claims to have read, is Israeli supremacy, namely, the much discreditied movement of British Israelism and very much goes alongside his thread of the other day promoting eugenics.


While I dont usually cite wikipedia as a source, I nevertheless often do find it a useful starting point in any research which is exactly what I have done in this case, I have followed many of the links and have been reading for a few hours before starting this reply. I suggest a quick read of the following link to verify for yourself what I am saying;



I dont have much time just now but will look further into this as soon as I do - have a great day Dru
...and the by Sleight of Hand he pushes Christianity in the Backdoor through Joseph of Arimathea.
Wove it together with the Arthurian Legend.





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Mar 16, 2009 12:06 PM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
trish123: He isnt promoting Celtic history Dru, this is all about a bunch of people who have made eroneous interpretations of the Bible and various other mytholigies to suit their own ends. What he is promoting, and this is evident from the works he claims to have read, is Israeli supremacy, namely, the much discreditied movement of British Israelism and very much goes alongside his thread of the other day promoting eugenics.


While I dont usually cite wikipedia as a source, I nevertheless often do find it a useful starting point in any research which is exactly what I have done in this case, I have followed many of the links and have been reading for a few hours before starting this reply. I suggest a quick read of the following link to verify for yourself what I am saying;



I dont have much time just now but will look further into this as soon as I do - have a great day Dru


Oh, I realized where he was going with this, but it would be interesting to read and see if there's any truth in it. laugh After all, where did the Fir Bolg come from? I know where the Tuatha De Danaans originated, but it would be interesting if the Fir Bolg were originally Israeli, wouldn't it? dunno Just saying....

Oh, yes...I've studied my Celtic tribes...at least those of Ireland. wine
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Mar 16, 2009 1:56 PM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
norslyman
norslymannorslymanMinneapolis, Minnesota USA21 Threads 151 Posts
Gordon Kahl was an American hero, murdered in cold blood. I guess you condone the virtuous Talmudic practice of murdering the Goyim huh? applause All these people who pick on the bible - why doesn't anybody ever expose the Demonic Talmud? Forget the Protocols, the Talmud alone is enough rope to hang every last one of these monsters.scold

Here's something for St Patricks Day:

WHAT JEREMIAH PLANTED
by
Pastor Bertrand L. Comparet


One of the greatest figures in history is the prophet Jeremiah. God commissioned him to carry out a double task: "See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out and to pull down and to destroy and to throw down; TO BUILD AND TO PLANT." (Jeremiah 1:10) His rooting out and throwing down was completed when Nebuchadnezzar's Babylonian army finished the deportation of the Kingdom of Judah to Babylon, its last traces being thrown down when the murder of governor Gedaliah was followed by the flight of the survivors to Egypt, compelling Jeremiah to accompany them, despite his warning against this.

But WHAT AND WHERE DID HE PLANT? Historically, the Bible does not tell us, as it last mentions him at Tahpanhes, in Egypt.

"Thus saith the Lord God: I also will take of the highest branch of the high cedar and will set it; I will crop off from the top of his young twigs A TENDER ONE, and will plant it upon an high mountain and eminent. IN THE MOUNTAIN OF THE HEIGHT OF ISRAEL WILL I PLANT IT: and it shall bring forth boughs and bear fruit and be a goodly cedar: and under it shall dwell all fowl of every wing; in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell." (Ezekiel 17:22-23) Feminine words are used for "young twigs a tender one", though masculine words would have served as well.


The king's daughters were the "tender twigs" which God said He would plant. Where could Jeremiah have taken them? Remember, it must be to a great Israel nation: "In the mountain in the height of Israel". He did not take them to Babylon, where the people of Judah were captives, for what would have been recorded by Ezekiel and Daniel if it had happened. He would not have been allowed to take them through the Babylonian Empire to where the ten northern Tribes of Israel were by this time known as the Scythians.

The record is clear that he did not take them back to the old Kingdom of Judah to stay, though he probably stopped off there long enough to pick up the Ark of the Covenant and Jacob's Pillow, the Stone of Destiny, which had been hidden from the Babylonians. Where else were there Israelite kingdoms? In Greece, in Spain and in Ireland.


Their language was "Phoenician", which is a Semitic dialect akin to Hebrew and became the Gaelic language of ancient Ireland and Scotland, which even today is nearly identical with Phoenician. The Irish Chronicles also record that the Milesians introduced the Laws of Moses, which remained Irish Law until the time of St. Patrick.


The princess Tea Tephi, brought to Ireland by Jeremiah, is undoubtedly the daughter of King Zedekiah of Judah. She was married to Eochaid, the Heremon (0r Chief King) of Ireland, who was of the Milesian dynasty and therefore of the Zarah branch of the Royal Tribe of Judah: so the two branches of the Royal Tribe were now united in the royal family ruling the free half of Judah. As God said to Jeremiah, He would clip off a tender twig from the highest twigs of the great cedar tree of Judah and plant it "in the mountain of the height of Israel", which was fulfilled by this royal marriage.

full article:
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Mar 20, 2009 12:41 PM CST True History of the Druids and First Church in Briton.
norslyman
norslymannorslymanMinneapolis, Minnesota USA21 Threads 151 Posts
This has a lot to do with the Noah's flood post. Joseph of Arimathea involved again!professor

The Egyptian Texts of The Bronzebook: The First Six Books of The Kolbrin Bible is all that remains of a 3600-year old anthology penned by Egyptian academicians and scribes after the Hebrew Exodus. The result of a regional search for the one true G-d of Abraham, it offers alternate accounts of Exodus and Noah's Flood.

Surviving the
Next Global Catastrophe
Related Titles

Written in Egyptian Hieratic, first translated to Phoenician and then into English, it describes a planet the Egyptians called the "Destroyer." According to recently translated Sumerian texts, this object (also known as Nibiru or Planet X) is in a 3600-year orbit around our sun. The Egyptians say it caused Noah's Flood and the Plagues of Exodus. Like the Druids, Sumerians and Mayans, they also warn us of its imminent return and of yet another Biblical tribulation.

The “Other” Exodus Story
While there are parallels to the Exodus story of the Torah (Old Testament), the Egyptian accounts tell us that:

The Ten Plagues of Exodus were caused by the flyby of a planet through our solar system.
Pharaoh and his army perished at the Red Sea after slaughtering over half the Jews.
The Ten Plagues of Exodus were all parts of the same natural global disaster.
Following the Red Sea debacle, Egypt paid dearly to repel an bloody invasion from the South.

Shaken to their national core, the Egyptians conducted the first regional anthropological and historical study of the Middle East. Their aim was to find clues that would lead them to the one true G-d of Abraham, and they published their initial findings in a 21-volume work titled The Great Book.

During the last millennium BCE, Phoenician papyrus traders translated The Great Book from Egyptian Hieratic into their own 22-letter alphabet and entrusted a copy to the Celtic priests in Britain. After the death of Jesus, Joseph of Arimathea (his great uncle on the side of Joseph) founded the Glastonbury Abbey.

It became the repository for these texts as well as those authored by Celtic priests, and in 1184 CE, English King Henry II ordered an attack on the Abbey. The surviving priests secreted the remaining texts to Scotland where they were translated into English and eventually merged to create The Kolbrin Bible.
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