Does the smoking ban in public places go against human rights? (62)
Sommerauer71:
I am sick of hearing non smokers screech about human rights.
I am sick about non smokers scream about how they do not have a choice.
Well, they do, just as smokers have a choice, we can take it to a smokers area, or we can go outside.
They, as non smokers can sit inside.
You are absolutely right, about smoke free buildings, any person that is good, will honour the rules, as we do on plane, trains, buses.
We seem to be the outcasts, and to associate the smoking ban with human rights, is just ridiculous.
Still, what do you expect from a soceity that sees having a child as a human right?
I am sick of hearing non smokers screech about human rights.
I am sick about non smokers scream about how they do not have a choice.
Well, they do, just as smokers have a choice, we can take it to a smokers area, or we can go outside.
They, as non smokers can sit inside.
You are absolutely right, about smoke free buildings, any person that is good, will honour the rules, as we do on plane, trains, buses.
We seem to be the outcasts, and to associate the smoking ban with human rights, is just ridiculous.
Still, what do you expect from a soceity that sees having a child as a human right?
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rodolpho: You make it to easy sommer.
It IS easy.
We fought for freedom for a 1000 years
No, you did not fight for freedom 100 years. THEY fought for freedom. You are merely enjoying the result of their fight.
What's in bold should have been quoted. Sorry about that.
Sommerauer71:
I see it as respecting the law, I can still smoke, it is not banned for me, just I cannot smoke in certain areas. Like if I visit friends, who do not want smoke in their house. I don't.
I see it as respecting the law, I can still smoke, it is not banned for me, just I cannot smoke in certain areas. Like if I visit friends, who do not want smoke in their house. I don't.
It's that easy.
Tamarin: Do you think it takes away freedom of choice?
The first thing is to grasp that a smoker and a non-smoker are not equally free in a railway coach.
In this situation, since neither would like to get off the train, one must adjudicate between the relative weights of each persons choice. I would tend to think, given that passive smoking is very harmful, that the non-smoker has a greater right to ensuring his health than the smoker who neither cares about his own health nor of others.
As for taking away 'freedom of choice' well, that is an everyday matter for all social beings. One may suddenly verbally attack or physically injure someone else on the street. The law takes care of the latter - the former is controlled only by self-regulation. We are a society simply because we have developed norms of social behaviour, ethical behaviour and so on. Occasionally the authorities have to step in as for example in the case of smokers in a confined space with non-smokers.
Another subject arises and that is the righteousness expressed by both camps, smokers and non-smokers - and a third group..born again ex-smokers. The latter are truly horrendous while the fight between the first two groups is a legitimate 'political' fight. The born again should be sent to Devil's Island.
I really dont think this is an abstract or philosophical issue. Somethings are obvious and this is an 'obvious' issue. Those to try to bring in 'rights'and ' freedom of choice' are taking refuge in philosophy. Every scoundrel takes refuge either in philosophy or in patriotism.
Does the smoking ban in public places go against human rights?
Do you think it takes away freedom of choice?
No.
In fact the ban restores people's human right to breath air without having to participate in someone else's smoking habit.
It's not like the air is all that clean to start with, but cigarette smoke makes it a lot worse. I remember times when I could hardly breathe in restaurants and bars.
Do you think it takes away freedom of choice?
No.
In fact the ban restores people's human right to breath air without having to participate in someone else's smoking habit.
It's not like the air is all that clean to start with, but cigarette smoke makes it a lot worse. I remember times when I could hardly breathe in restaurants and bars.
Tamarin: A smoking BAN does not ask it tells you that you can not...
And that is absolutely necessary, because if the decision was left up to smoker's disgression, many would continue to impose their smoke on others.
Breathing the air is a right.
Polluting the air of others is a privilege and should not be imposed without their permission.
Sommerauer71: I don't google anything that I am sure of.
Freedom of choice is a human right, a smoking ban that is in place is not removing our rights as a human.
Because we are still free to smoke.
I fail to see how human rights can be associated with a smoking ban.
For me it is like asking the sky to stop raining.
I am a smoker and I do not feel that my freedom has been taken away.
I see it as respect, being asked not to smoke in certain places.
Freedom of choice is a human right, a smoking ban that is in place is not removing our rights as a human.
Because we are still free to smoke.
I fail to see how human rights can be associated with a smoking ban.
For me it is like asking the sky to stop raining.
I am a smoker and I do not feel that my freedom has been taken away.
I see it as respect, being asked not to smoke in certain places.
Thank you for saying that. My childhood memories are full of being driven in cars with people who smoked IN THE CAR and sitting in pubs pickled in smoke till my eyes streamed and my clothes stank....
Fallingman: Thank you for saying that. My childhood memories are full of being driven in cars with people who smoked IN THE CAR and sitting in pubs pickled in smoke till my eyes streamed and my clothes stank....
Ja, some people still smoke in their cars.
And some people drive recklessly and kill other people who are not driving recklessly.
Well now, arent you glad you grew up and no longer have to tolerate those selfish people anymore? And now you can set good examples, and report people who are smoking in their cars with child passengers!
Even the teenagers in the local school have to wait till they leave the grounds before lighting up their ciggies........
Are non-smokers even grateful for the ban on public transport smokers? I think they should be.
smoky: Ja, some people still smoke in their cars.
And some people drive recklessly and kill other people who are not driving recklessly.
Well now, arent you glad you grew up and no longer have to tolerate those selfish people anymore? And now you can set good examples, and report people who are smoking in their cars with child passengers!
Even the teenagers in the local school have to wait till they leave the grounds before lighting up their ciggies........
Are non-smokers even grateful for the ban on public transport smokers? I think they should be.
And some people drive recklessly and kill other people who are not driving recklessly.
Well now, arent you glad you grew up and no longer have to tolerate those selfish people anymore? And now you can set good examples, and report people who are smoking in their cars with child passengers!
Even the teenagers in the local school have to wait till they leave the grounds before lighting up their ciggies........
Are non-smokers even grateful for the ban on public transport smokers? I think they should be.
Yes! I am not interested in reporting people....more that they show some respect for the rest of us. Some smokers think they are a persecuted group because they are no longer allowed to blow smoke in your face in an elevator!
Fallingman: Yes! I am not interested in reporting people....more that they show some respect for the rest of us. Some smokers think they are a persecuted group because they are no longer allowed to blow smoke in your face in an elevator!
But I bet you dont mind vehicles blowing their fumes in your face? .. Or breathing re-cycled breath in enclosed places? .... In your land where you`re living is smoking still allowed indoors where you ride these escalators?
Because if it is then you should exert your Civic Duty and complain to the Management - Tis not right that you have to suffer like this!Those things are not so bad....though the air in planes is not good for long periods.
No, smoking is not allowed in public buildings...only private ones.
No, smoking is not allowed in public buildings...only private ones.
smoky: along came another person and stood out in the rain with their umbrella, next to her, and COMPLAINED about the Smoker!!!!!
Was she Dutch?
expat2be: Was she Dutch?
expat2be: Was she Dutch?
Dunno, I dont speak to complaining non-smokers trying to get a free smoke to complain about.....smoky: Dunno, I dont speak to complaining non-smokers trying to get a free smoke to complain about.....
Got it. She must have been Dutch.
expat2be: It's that easy.
It is isn't it?
So easy for me, I am not going to make my life complicated at all.
I have all the freedom to smoke that I want.
The fact that I choose not to smoke in my house, or in my car, or in a restaurant, is my choice, I never did it before the smoking ban and to complain about it now would just be plain stupid.
In my days of smoking,when we visited someones Hose,we asked before we lit up.
In the Restaurant,eating Dinner,we waited until everyone was finished eating,the we asked if anyone had any objections to us smoking.
But it seems that Courtesy went down at the same proportion as the increase of Restrictions by Government!
Government is always a Bull in the Chinashop!
They have no Grace in anything they do!
They're less Graceful than me Dancing!
In the Restaurant,eating Dinner,we waited until everyone was finished eating,the we asked if anyone had any objections to us smoking.
But it seems that Courtesy went down at the same proportion as the increase of Restrictions by Government!
Government is always a Bull in the Chinashop!
They have no Grace in anything they do!
They're less Graceful than me Dancing!
expat2be: It IS easy.
We fought for freedom for a 1000 years
No, you did not fight for freedom 100 years. THEY fought for freedom. You are merely enjoying the result of their fight.
We fought for freedom for a 1000 years
No, you did not fight for freedom 100 years. THEY fought for freedom. You are merely enjoying the result of their fight.
We as im my ancestors,are you gonna pinpoint one thing brussel sprout.I am fighting my whole life against the western christian dogma.
So what's up.I can't say we as a people.
My family has been here since the dawn of time so its we to us hombre.
welteruste expatty
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Only a total idiot pleb would DARE to light a cigarette indoors where smoking is banned!
Anyway, lots of non-smokers die from the same things as smokers, with their smug-ness intact.
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