ARE MEN DIFFERENT? (60)

May 23, 2009 11:41 AM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
ghost007
ghost007ghost007swieqi, Majjistral Malta52 Threads 4 Polls 885 Posts
OK i was asked to start a thread ...so by popular demands here goes .......I have often felt that it must be tough for men who find themselves in a position where they are the sole provider of bread in a family and somewhat scary i would have thought to have 2,3,4 people relying on you ...i mean what if something happens and you lose your job ???? do men feel like this?????


do they ever feel that they are stereotypes and society expects them to fulfill the role of main provider?????


how many men would like a situation where their partner makes a very good salary and they can stay home .....read..do charity work....cook.......spend time with the kids etc........?????peace
May 23, 2009 11:42 AM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
Lagoona22
Lagoona22Lagoona22Bugibba, Majjistral Malta161 Threads 11 Polls 10,711 Posts
Marry me, I'll do the dishes....angel
May 23, 2009 11:54 AM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
liakos
liakosliakossamos, North Aegean Greece22 Threads 393 Posts
ghost007: OK i was asked to start a thread ...so by popular demands here goes .......I have often felt that it must be tough for men who find themselves in a position where they are the sole provider of bread in a family and somewhat scary i would have thought to have 2,3,4 people relying on you ...i mean what if something happens and you lose your job ???? do men feel like this?????do they ever feel that they are stereotypes and society expects them to fulfill the role of main provider?????how many men would like a situation where their partner makes a very good salary and they can stay home .....read..do charity work....cook.......spend time with the kids etc........?????


Society doesn't support a 'house husband' yet, though they might be more inclined to this than their wives. when i had people relying on me, it was horrible the fact that i was expected to provide but wasnt respected in my opinions (when ie i didnt like my job and wanted to find another, and got no emotional support through that). Like if providing was the end of the whole thing and like i should shut up even if things became stupid. It felt to me that my ex partner's security was more important than my well being whilst trying to provide. Is that a stereotype? couldn't she aim for a situation where we would both be happy? Many times i feel, smokey, that women's insecurities dictate the mail provider's stereotype. and also some times when women are materially independent, men are presented as useless, with no apparent purpose on this planet. like if women's idea of male spirituality ends at the loaf of bread. I think that male female relationships are going through changes and BOTH must reestablish what these relationships mean to them. drinking
May 23, 2009 11:54 AM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
ghost007
ghost007ghost007swieqi, Majjistral Malta52 Threads 4 Polls 885 Posts
Lagoona22: Marry me, I'll do the dishes....


LOL i dont think we will get on ......2 dishwashers in the family and no cook we will starve ......moping
May 23, 2009 11:58 AM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
guiriman
guirimanguirimansouth of milan, Lombardy Italy53 Threads 6 Polls 2,128 Posts
very interesting cos only this week I have been talking about this very same topic in some of my language classes .. it seems that in Italy it is totally unacceptab;e for a man to stay at home and look after the kids while the woman works .. and all the students across the board seemed resolute in that opinion.

In the UK it's nothing strange for a man to be the 'house husband' as it's known there ..

I was made redundant when my daughter was 4 years old and it seemed very traumatic at the time .. my life has however gone from strength to strength since that time .. and I dread to think how things might have been if I hadn't got that lucky break, as I see it now ..
May 23, 2009 12:00 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
HomeAlone86
HomeAlone86HomeAlone86Vilnius, Aukštaitija Lithuania4 Threads 59 Posts
In my country there is nothing wrong or weird if a woman earns more money. Although it's still unusual for man to stay at home with kids while his wife is working and providing the whole family.
Anyway, I wouldn't mind this if it was better for my family.
May 23, 2009 12:01 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
ghost007
ghost007ghost007swieqi, Majjistral Malta52 Threads 4 Polls 885 Posts
liakos: Society doesn't support a 'house husband' yet, though they might be more inclined to this than their wives. when i had people relying on me, it was horrible the fact that i was expected to provide but wasnt respected in my opinions (when ie i didnt like my job and wanted to find another, and got no emotional support through that). Like if providing was the end of the whole thing and like i should shut up even if things became stupid. It felt to me that my ex partner's security was more important than my well being whilst trying to provide. Is that a stereotype? couldn't she aim for a situation where we would both be happy? Many times i feel, smokey, that women's insecurities dictate the mail provider's stereotype. and also some times when women are materially independent, men are presented as useless, with no apparent purpose on this planet. like if women's idea of male spirituality ends at the loaf of bread. I think that male female relationships are going through changes and BOTH must reestablish what these relationships mean to them.



hi Hakos wave i really agree with what you say here ....many dont accept the role of house housband.......and yes men are often seen as only a way of providing the bacon .....they infact often have less choices than women who often can choose to stay home or work or study .....though i do know some women who have financed their husband's study ......and women do sometimes dipense of men if they dont need their cash ..the thing is in the past there was a level of equality with men havind domain over the finances and women domain over the kids today women often have both and men find themselves powerless...although i must admit sometimes it can also be their fault cos many women have reinvented themselves in the context of the 21 st century ...some men also have...but many men still stick to the same roles their parents had and refuse to take on roles which they see as roles for women..or am i wrong here?????
May 23, 2009 12:03 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
symbolistartist
symbolistartistsymbolistartistHanko, Southern Finland Finland10 Threads 761 Posts
ghost007: OK i was asked to start a thread ...so by popular demands here goes .......I have often felt that it must be tough for men who find themselves in a position where they are the sole provider of bread in a family and somewhat scary i would have thought to have 2,3,4 people relying on you ...i mean what if something happens and you lose your job ???? do men feel like this?????do they ever feel that they are stereotypes and society expects them to fulfill the role of main provider?????how many men would like a situation where their partner makes a very good salary and they can stay home .....read..do charity work....cook.......spend time with the kids etc........?????

There are loads of house husbands in Scandinavia. That's one reason trying to adapt to other cultures can be even worse. Ok they don't open the doors for us women anymore... it's a shame IMO. I hope gradually there will be an equality that also allows for les petites différences, that is the things that make us unique as men and women.
May 23, 2009 12:03 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
sasseez
sasseezsasseezlakes entrance, Victoria Australia1 Threads 3,150 Posts
It is a changing trend here in Aus as a lot of men have lost jobs from one reason or another, and also coz some women do prefer to work and they like the ide of someone being a home carer with the child instead of putting the child in a day care centre.
May 23, 2009 12:05 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
sasseez
sasseezsasseezlakes entrance, Victoria Australia1 Threads 3,150 Posts
men do a fine job as being a home hubby lol it takes time for them to get use to but with ppl i kno they end up loving it.
May 23, 2009 12:06 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
ghost007
ghost007ghost007swieqi, Majjistral Malta52 Threads 4 Polls 885 Posts
symbolistartist: There are loads of house husbands in Scandinavia. That's one reason trying to adapt to other cultures can be even worse. Ok they don't open the doors for us women anymore... it's a shame IMO. I hope gradually there will be an equality that also allows for les petites différences, that is the things that make us unique as men and women.


hi home alone...symbol and sassee wave its very interesting that you say in your countries its becoming more and more common ...the thing is i live on a catholic..conservative patriochial society so things change very slowly here .....
May 23, 2009 12:09 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
ghost007
ghost007ghost007swieqi, Majjistral Malta52 Threads 4 Polls 885 Posts
guiriman: very interesting cos only this week I have been talking about this very same topic in some of my language classes .. it seems that in Italy it is totally unacceptab;e for a man to stay at home and look after the kids while the woman works .. and all the students across the board seemed resolute in that opinion.

In the UK it's nothing strange for a man to be the 'house husband' as it's known there ..

I was made redundant when my daughter was 4 years old and it seemed very traumatic at the time .. my life has however gone from strength to strength since that time .. and I dread to think how things might have been if I hadn't got that lucky break, as I see it now ..




Yeah its strange how somethings something which seems bad can turn into the best thing after all hug
May 23, 2009 12:09 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
sasseez
sasseezsasseezlakes entrance, Victoria Australia1 Threads 3,150 Posts
hi ghost and everyone else wave

AUS is a very multi cultral country with diverse beliefs, and yes i can see why when a country is more one belief.. change would be difficult.
May 23, 2009 12:38 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
symbolistartist
symbolistartistsymbolistartistHanko, Southern Finland Finland10 Threads 761 Posts
ghost007: hi home alone...symbol and sassee its very interesting that you say in your countries its becoming more and more common ...the thing is i live on a catholic..conservative patriochial society so things change very slowly here .....

All I can say is poor you! Hey, we have a female president and the husband is actually being the "second lady" rolling on the floor laughing that's the kind of man I think I'll be needing one day! grin though at second thought, with a lil more zeal than the stay-at-home husbands over here though... cool
May 23, 2009 12:40 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
CaptainBeirutIII
CaptainBeirutIIICaptainBeirutIIILondon, Greater London, England UK95 Threads 1 Polls 1,186 Posts
ghost007: ARE MEN DIFFERENT?


Different than what, the jellyfish Lagoona speaks of in that other thread?
grin
May 23, 2009 12:44 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
symbolistartist
symbolistartistsymbolistartistHanko, Southern Finland Finland10 Threads 761 Posts
ghost007: hi home alone...symbol and sassee its very interesting that you say in your countries its becoming more and more common ...the thing is i live on a catholic..conservative patriochial society so things change very slowly here .....

I invite you to come and check it out though. Only experience can answer the question "ARE THEY DIFFERENT" OR "ARE THEY FROM MARS"... I think you need some non-catholics to compare with cheers
May 23, 2009 1:11 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
fearlessmophism
fearlessmophismfearlessmophismgraz, Styria Austria7 Threads 1 Polls 39 Posts
in any country that have some conservative principles, i dont think is wise for men to work while the wimmin stay at home. the equation deserve some balancing.
May 23, 2009 1:22 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
gopi59
gopi59gopi59chennai, Tamil Nadu India20 Threads 2 Polls 260 Posts
ghost007: OK i was asked to start a thread ...so by popular demands here goes .......I have often felt that it must be tough for men who find themselves in a position where they are the sole provider of bread in a family and somewhat scary i would have thought to have 2,3,4 people relying on you ...i mean what if something happens and you lose your job ???? do men feel like this?????do they ever feel that they are stereotypes and society expects them to fulfill the role of main provider?????how many men would like a situation where their partner makes a very good salary and they can stay home .....read..do charity work....cook.......spend time with the kids etc........?????


There was a stage in my life, i had to do all the above, because i didnt ave a job having left my sea-going job.......i was happy i could spend tme with my of, (then, during that period) 5-7y years old........i really had a tought time finding a suitable shore job after having left sea........though i enjoyed doing things for my son, while my now ex-wife had a steady government job, society did look down on me.......... yes, i did enjoy being with my son, cooking, washing the clothers, dishes, and takign my son to and from school.........but that was the period i had time to get into some spiritual development...which i see now, was a blessing in disguise........but society did look down on me...........

but frankly i didnt mind being doing what i did a that stage of life......matter of fact i enjoyed it......i dont know about the rest of you guys////
May 23, 2009 1:24 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
CaptainBeirutIII
CaptainBeirutIIICaptainBeirutIIILondon, Greater London, England UK95 Threads 1 Polls 1,186 Posts
If that Sommer bird was here, this thread would be 11 pages long by now.
May 23, 2009 2:27 PM CST ARE MEN DIFFERENT?
rodolpho
rodolphorodolphoamsterdam, North Holland Netherlands30 Threads 3,401 Posts
hell i raise the kids

i can make more money behind my laptop then any of u can,
includin bill MF gateslaugh
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