CaptainBeirutIIIOPLondon, Greater London, England UK1,186 posts
I think that the British-English language can sometimes come across in a way that it seems snobbish, by how phrases are put together, the dry sort of humour, etc American-English has more of a back-patting, high-five kind of style to it, and often a simple, straightforward, 2PM re-run of a Brooke Shields sitcom kind of humour.
That’s why, often, someone from Britain might come across as taking the piss, being pissed off, seem to think they’re superior, when they’re not at all.
CaptainBeirutIII: I think that the British-English language can sometimes come across in a way that it seems snobbish, by how phrases are put together, the dry sort of humour, etc American-English has more of a back-patting, high-five kind of style to it, and often a simple, straightforward, 2PM re-run of a Brooke Shields sitcom kind of humour.
That’s why, often, someone from Britain might come across as taking the piss, being pissed off, seem to think they’re superior, when they’re not at all.
steve6611Victor Harbor, South Australia Australia1,767 posts
Oh rather, Tally Ho old Chap. Sorry had to get it out of my system. I prefer the British - English language basically because I was brought up in that environment. It is fasinating the different pronounciations/dialects you get in different regions of Britain/England & also the different humour. Australia's language & humour is derived from the British/English . I prefer British humour as it has a timeless quality to it & is relevant to social issues/society at the time it is/was written.
steve6611: Oh rather, Tally Ho old Chap. Sorry had to get it out of my system. I prefer the British - English language basically because I was brought up in that environment. It is fasinating the different pronounciations/dialects you get in different regions of Britain/England & also the different humour. Australia's language & humour is derived from the British/English . I prefer British humour as it has a timeless quality to it & is relevant to social issues/society at the time it is/was written.
Interesting Steve...
The English language has the most dialects throughout the world, easy to work out why.
American English is very different to British English and I am sure the Australian tongue is also.
The BBC English that is spoken is what I would refer to as the nicest English tone, because it has no regional dialect. I was taught English as I teach to a non native speaker, so I have no regional dialect, but I have a British undertone to my accent. Basically, a Notherner would automatically assume I was from the South of the country, and a Southerner would say I had a typical home counties accent. The Northerners would say I had a very 'snobbish' accent, one did a couple or three weeks ago in the Captian's local.
I am not up to date with all the modern 'new' words that appear around, so I do have to ask them to explain, I have an Ex Pats level of the language and given that I was educated in another language, it took me many years to resort back to the English language. Now while I have the position I do, Europeans write very differently to the Brits. And I can come across as being difficult to understand.
We all have our influences with the way we speak, I probably speak more naturally with HIM, because he does not have much of a 'foreign' accent when he speaks English. But if I speak with a person who has a really thick dialect I really do struggle to understand.
steve6611Victor Harbor, South Australia Australia1,767 posts
Hi Sommer That was a great post. Yes the Australian tongue is different & every state in Australia has different pronounciations . That was fascinating I didnt know that the english language had the most dialects throughout the world. See we do learn here.
I have been told from family My Fathers side come from Bolton in Lancanshire & my Mothers side come from Penzance in Cornwall & Edinburgh in Scotland so I have had an upbringing of a few different dialects.
One of my closest friends his family are from York & yes when his father gets going after a few beers its a fun dialect to decipher.
What you said about being a bit difficult to understand is interesting because some Americans have trouble with understanding the Australian tongue.
CaptainBeirutIII: I think that the British-English language can sometimes come across in a way that it seems snobbish, by how phrases are put together, the dry sort of humour, etc American-English has more of a back-patting, high-five kind of style to it, and often a simple, straightforward, 2PM re-run of a Brooke Shields sitcom kind of humour.
That’s why, often, someone from Britain might come across as taking the piss, being pissed off, seem to think they’re superior, when they’re not at all.
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I think alot of it has to do with the accent itself because, in the Northeast & Southeast United States, it is very common to find the British accent in a sense, and having lived briefly in the Midwest U.S., the accent tends to be mistaken as a "snobby tone". So it isn't alot to say that, the same mistake could be that the accent is mistaken as someone talking in a snobby tone of voice. (Hard to explain to those that aren't familiar with the different accents of the U.S., but I'm sure you get the gist.)
Kinda like those that live in the Southwest of the U.S., they tend to have a more aggressive tone when in fact it is more so the accent they carry that has the aggressive tone, when I'm sure, they have the same social behaviors as the rest of the country.
steve6611: Hi Sommer That was a great post. Yes the Australian tongue is different & every state in Australia has different pronounciations . That was fascinating I didnt know that the english language had the most dialects throughout the world. See we do learn here.
I have been told from family My Fathers side come from Bolton in Lancanshire & my Mothers side come from Penzance in Cornwall & Edinburgh in Scotland so I have had an upbringing of a few different dialects.
One of my closest friends his family are from York & yes when his father gets going after a few beers its a fun dialect to decipher.
What you said about being a bit difficult to understand is interesting because some Americans have trouble with understanding the Australian tongue.
I know Bolton well, my father is a Lancashire lad, my mother is Irish... So the dialects I was exposed to were very wide. Until I came to Europe when I was 14 where no person understood me and then I had to learn to talk all over again in English and in French.
I struggeled when I lived in the US with understanding some of my neighbours and work colleagues.
They also struggled sometimes to understand me even though they would say 'Speak, speak, we love your accent'
My own accent adapts naturally, because of my job where there are 23 languages in use and a lot of dialects, pronunciations are picked up.
The German language is a very gutteral language and the pronunciations are similar to those in the NW of England, with certain words which is something that sounds completely alien to me, even though I was from there as a child.
So I try not concentrate on the pronunciations, more about being understood. Which sort of all falls into place. I also try to keep up with my French with some students who are native French speakers. Languages evolve and it is important to keep up with them to maintain fluency.
LethalLove: Ppppppppppppppttttttttthhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!Seriously though, I suspect at times, the rather self-depracating style of humour shared by Brits and aussies is seen as very offensive by Americans..
They aren't used to people who take the mick out of each other..and laugh harder than the one doing the stirring.
From the outside looking in, it can seem that one is cruelly insulting the other....and rather than take offence, we roar with laughter.
I don't know if that would be seen as snobbery though...
I think you could be right there.
I have often been accused of being condescending, superior and haughty, when actually I am not any of those things in my day to day to contacts.
I do consider myself British, it says so on my passport and I certainly do have the British swing on my accent. I work with Americans, I lived there for years and I still have the 'cell phone' and I call the boot of a car, the trunk.
If I am talking about something that I am passionate about, then my tone alters and I think that can be said for most people.
steve6611: Out of curosity Sommer how many different languages can you speak . As I find this fascinating
French, German and English.
German I studied at school, as I did Latin, it was mandatory, at my school to study Latin, which it is still is in Austria, as it is not a working language, a dormant one. But I never continued Latin. I did not like German as a student, it was not until I lived in Austria, that I began to enjoy the language and use it on a day to day basis. Captain speaks four or five, English being our common language.
steve6611Victor Harbor, South Australia Australia1,767 posts
Thats fantastic well done. English is my major one, I have learnt Indonesian & some spanish & a couple of Australian Aborigine dialects Oh and the old Cornish dialect
steve6611: Thats fantastic well done. English is my major one, I have learnt Indonesian & some spanish & a couple of Australian Aborigine dialects Oh and the old Cornish dialect
Indonesian? Fascinating.
Oh I could not understand the Cornish dialect, it is way above me.
steve6611Victor Harbor, South Australia Australia1,767 posts
So true lethal , thats why a majority of our defence forces were/are based in Northern Australia. Now the kiddies learn Japanese & Chinese ...thankyou Mr Rudd
LethalLove: I have found that having a concise form/style of writing, with little or no 'high 5's' can set a 'tone' of superiority, yes.
Absolutely.
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There's a directness of speech within the Brit and aussie language...we don't have a lot of 'you knows', 'like', 'oh yeah' flowered through what we are communicating..
Indeed, I could never imagine myself coming out with such terms. The German language has the formal and informal, which amuses me.
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we're an incredibly dry witted culture.. not so big on the yuckayuk slapstick stuff as we are in the 'clever, veiled' style of caustic wit.
Yes, we can come across as quite acerbic and I know I can come across as 'prissy' which I can be. I can be headmistressy one moment and get down and dirty the next.
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I find it funny when the feathers and fur fly, with little jibes about sarcasm being the lowest form of wit......not in my world sister...we were raised on it!
Yes, when it is not something that we are trying to do, it is something that we cannot help. I prefer dealing with a person who can understand the sharp wit, it saves a hell of a lot confusion...
LethalLove: There's a great reason why Indonesian is taught in school...they are our closest neighbours, and were once seen, (with paranoia and trepidation) as being our greatest threat.
I thought it would be something to do with the neighbour thing..
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American-English has more of a back-patting, high-five kind of style to it, and often a simple, straightforward, 2PM re-run of a Brooke Shields sitcom kind of humour.
That’s why, often, someone from Britain might come across as taking the piss, being pissed off, seem to think they’re superior, when they’re not at all.
Discuss