You see Mr. ivanski, you only see what you want to see. You saw Bush go into Iraq and you thought, "I'm a liberal, war is bad, I hate Bush!" But I'm sure you won't even watch the clips I posted above. Because you are only going to see what you want to see.
"Our economy has a solid foundation, but there are areas of real concern. The economy is still creating jobs, though at a reduced pace. Consumer spending is still growing, but the housing market is declining. Business investment and exports are still rising, but the cost of imported oil has increased," Bush said in a televised White House address."
This is a short clip of what GWB said in the link you posted!! You're only helping my side of the argument Genius!
lerald: So I guess you believe we should punish the rich (successful) and "spread the wealth" to the lazy? Because that seems to be the liberal philosophy. The Republicans got anhialated in the last election because of George W. Bush. And can you tell me when the last time the government has ran anything successfully? Social-Security? Medicare? Medicade? Post office? Larger government only breeds laziness. I don't care if it's Dem or Rep controlling any branch of the Govt. They all waste our money equally. Weather it was a Trillion dollar war over the coarse of 10 years, or a Trillion dollar "stimulous" that didn't work. All bigger government means is less money for you, and more money for them to waste.
I'm gonna admit that I'm not sold on some of the ultra-liberal ideas of government run programs and taxing the rich etc. And, I don't consider myself a pure liberal or democrat. But I am sure that the path we were on with the previous administration was heading us for ultimate and total destruction. You can't have big business raping the public in unregulated fashion, and fighting two very expensive wars ( threatening a third war ) at the same time without begging for economic collapse and global dissension. The backwards mentality that got us into this mess had to go. Is Obama the savior of our time ? Who knows ......... Has he proposed a dramatic change from the previous regime ? Oh Yes ......... Is it all good ........Nope ...... But I still have hope that some of these proposals that you and I are not entirely happy with will be re-designed to be effective for all of our benefit.
lerald: "Our economy has a solid foundation, but there are areas of real concern. The economy is still creating jobs, though at a reduced pace. Consumer spending is still growing, but the housing market is declining. Business investment and exports are still rising, but the cost of imported oil has increased," Bush said in a televised White House address."
This is a short clip of what GWB said in the link you posted!! You're only helping my side of the argument Genius!
It's all a matter of interpretation smart man ....
jvaski: I'm gonna admit that I'm not sold on some of the ultra-liberal ideas of government run programs and taxing the rich etc. And, I don't consider myself a pure liberal or democrat. But I am sure that the path we were on with the previous administration was heading us for ultimate and total destruction. You can't have big business raping the public in unregulated fashion, and fighting two very expensive wars ( threatening a third war ) at the same time without begging for economic collapse and global dissension. The backwards mentality that got us into this mess had to go. Is Obama the savior of our time ? Who knows ......... Has he proposed a dramatic change from the previous regime ? Oh Yes ......... Is it all good ........Nope ...... But I still have hope that some of these proposals that you and I are not entirely happy with will be re-designed to be effective for all of our benefit.
"Big business raping the public in unregulated fashion," you say? What ever happened to personal responsibility? Businesses aren't forcing me to buy their product. Those big bad banks didn't force anyone to take high risk mortgages. No business forced anyone to rack up 10's of thousands of dollars in credit card debt. I was never a fan of GWB, and I'm even less of a fan of Obama. Obama has all ready spent more money than GWB did in his entire 8 years in office. All that does is saddle Americans with debt and higher taxes. Frankley, I don't care what an elected official's worldly views are, as long as that individual is responsible with the peoples tax money. Which Obama isn't and GWB wasn't. And you can't blame all the world's ill's on one person (GWB in your case). That's just asinine.
lerald: "Big business raping the public in unregulated fashion," you say? What ever happened to personal responsibility? Businesses aren't forcing me to buy their product. Those big bad banks didn't force anyone to take high risk mortgages. No business forced anyone to rack up 10's of thousands of dollars in credit card debt. I was never a fan of GWB, and I'm even less of a fan of Obama. Obama has all ready spent more money than GWB did in his entire 8 years in office. All that does is saddle Americans with debt and higher taxes. Frankley, I don't care what an elected official's worldly views are, as long as that individual is responsible with the peoples tax money. Which Obama isn't and GWB wasn't. And you can't blame all the world's ill's on one person (GWB in your case). That's just asinine.
SO ? What could I possibly say that would make you happy tonite ?
i am an aussie even though i am not an american i followed the presidential run when obama decided it was time to introduce him self and run for the top job
i know that ther are a lot of threads and blogs in cyber land that have bashed obama and not just obama but george bush
i tend to watch date line a lot its an australian show comes on sbs on sunday nights at 8.30pm
boy did obama cop it he is from what i am seeing not well liked what got me he could not even produce his birth certificate and before he was sworn in i was hearing that george bush if he wanted to could bring in marshal law now for marshal law to be brought in a serious threat would have had to give him the excuse to do this or riots like with americas dark past when the african americans were rioting and wanting to be treated equaly
the crap i was hearing was beyond the joke
i know that america is hated by sevral countrys and i know obama is trying to improve and show the rest of the world that america is not the bad guy it has a long history with russia and what i am hearing thee young russians dont like americans at all but they like obama
obama to me is seen as having his strings pulled
i sort of liked george bush but i hated our old prime minister john howard
john howard was looking at stuffing australia up he wanted what most americans were use to introduced to us like abolishing medicare to were we all have private health he did not invest anything into the public hospitals or our public schools
i am not sure if it was the invassion of iraq that had george bush loose or weather it wss the mistakes he had made that had gotten his supporters to turn on him and vote in obama
a lot of money was spent on the troops but not much real care when they came back from iraq
a lot of good men and young boys have been damaged never to be the same also the talbin are winning meaning what bush was wanting to happen were the taliban are eliminated of the face of this earth its as if the taliban are gaining support son of bin laden had realy hurt america and has not been cought
this is just my two cents worth as i said i am not an american but i have been keeping a close eye i do read and i do listen to both sides
but keep silent because its none of my buisness
thats all i am going to say so please dont shoot me or tell me that i dont know what i am on about i dont live in your country i just read and listen to the news and love what date line has to say its spot on
southtc: Stock up on that wine ivanski, what you described is what's happening now. Just replace conservative with Obama and liberals. It's all them..and you for continuing to prop up your failure of a president.
Maybe you haven't checked outside today ....... but he's YOUR president too ........
i am not sure if it was the invassion of iraq that had george bush loose or weather it wss the mistakes he had made that had gotten his supporters to turn on him and vote in obama a lot of money was spent on the troops but not much real care when they came back from iraq
George Bush reached the end of his allowable term limit as president. We would've had a new president even if Obama didn't win.
jvaski: Clinton did it , you're right ..........He's to blame for everything ............. C'mon ........pull your head out of there ..........
I guess there is no argueing with a person that won't go up and look at facts. they walk thru life with blinders on. they hate on Bush but won't look at the whole picture,Bill Clinton started the sub prime mess that led to all the economic problems. I dare you to look that up and say otherwise oooh but I'm sure you will just throw out somthing . Bill even took the credit for haveing the highest percentage of people owning houses in history because they forced the banks to offer loans to people who were not qualified. But yes that is Bushes problem I guess . You talk about all the obama Bashing but all I have heard here Is bush Bashing What hypocrits
Godsgift: This is probably very hypocritical and we're probably the same on this side of the pond, but I can't get my head around the fact that an awful lot of Americans just can't see how dangerous the Bush administration was. That man and his hangers on would happily have dragged the world into Armageddon if there was oil and money there and create enemies in the process. The world was at peace, the Iron Curtain gone, the peace process in the North of Ireland. What an oppertunity wasted by Chaney and the like.
America and the rest of the world should surely be at least breathing a sigh of relief if not jumping for joy that they have a president who appears to believe in the value of human life and is trying to do something to that end domestically with his healthcare reforms and abroad with his hand of friendship to former enemies.
I think countries like individuals sometimes have to look inward to see what part we have played to end ourselves in such a mess. Or do we just keep hitting out and grabbing what we can get?
I don't know. Maybe I'm just hopelesly naive. We seem to have learned very little in thousands of years.
Unfortunately, you are hopelessly naive. Nobody likes going to war, but somebody has to do it. And you say that Obama, "appears to believe in the value of human life?" Then why did he elect Kathleen Sebelius to be his Health and Human Recources director when she believes it's okay to give late term abortions? I guess a baby's life is less important than a life of a person who stands up and fights for those who can not. And can you also explain that if Obama "appears to believe in the value of human life," then why is he rolling onto his back to an Iranian Regime that has publicly said it wants to kill an entire race of people??? You Europeans are so soft on bad guy/dictators. I guess letting the Lockerbie bomber out of prison for oil is much more humane than removing Saddam Hussein from power.
lerald: Unfortunately, you are hopelessly naive. Nobody likes going to war, but somebody has to do it. And you say that Obama, "appears to believe in the value of human life?" Then why did he elect Kathleen Sebelius to be his Health and Human Recources director when she believes it's okay to give late term abortions? I guess a baby's life is less important than a life of a person who stands up and fights for those who can not. And can you also explain that if Obama "appears to believe in the value of human life," then why is he rolling onto his back to an Iranian Regime that has publicly said it wants to kill an entire race of people??? You Europeans are so soft on bad guy/dictators. I guess letting the Lockerbie bomber out of prison for oil is much more humane than removing Saddam Hussein from power.
Ok, well I guess he didn't make any atatements that made you happy either ........... Just what would you agree with ? Nothing ? Nobody ?
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