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keith_maleFraser Lake, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 370 PostsWhy is it always His story....History....when will we get to hear HERstory.....are Ladies just more secretive.....or less ego driven????
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So true, Keith. I am an amateur geneologist and tracing the female heritage is like pulling teeth.
Roy
Roy
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I misread that as gynecologist..help me Lord
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Lol, Jax. You are killing me, lmao.
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to answer the post you have to look at the role of women thru out history.most of our greatness was done behind the scenes due to constraints put on us by society..Womens stories are starting to be told and it is very facinating to hear about the great women behind histories great men.
I think women are less ego driven because we have been doing our thing all along without recognition.
I think women are less ego driven because we have been doing our thing all along without recognition.
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in order to write 'her story' she had to be educated and get away with knowing HOW to write. sadly enough, that didn't happen too frequently.
not to mention...the person writing the story often bent it to their own personal light.
not to mention...the person writing the story often bent it to their own personal light.
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A little her story
We don't know which tobacco brides won the golden ring and became a contented farm wife or a prosperous plantation mistress. Only a few of their disasters made it into history. Some of the women, including Cicely Bray, were killed in an Indian attack in 1622, when 347 settlers lost their lives. Examining the site of that massacre, modern archaeologists were puzzled to discover the skeleton of one woman with an iron band around her head that apparently had protected her from scalping. Women in England, they later deduced, used those bands to fasten a roll of cloth under their hair, to make their hairdo look fuller. Perhaps she was a tobacco bride, still trying to maintain her old standards of fashion. Some British contractors, hired to provide the colonies with wives and female servants, simply went out and grabbed whatever warm bodies they could find, shoved them into a boat and set sail. In October 1618, a warrant was issued in England for one Owen Evans, who was kidnapping young women from their villages and sending them off to be sold in Bermuda and Virginia as indentured servants. "His undue proceedings breed such terror to the poor maidens as 40 of them fled out of one parish into such obscure and remote places as their parents and masters can yet have no news what is become of them," reported a correspondent to King James I. The danger of being dragged off to America against one 's will figured prominently in the popular literature of seventeenth-century England-playwrights found the shanghai artists, or "spirits," a handy deus ex machina for eliminating characters midplot. Parents sometimes pursued the spirits' vessels down the Thames, where they ransomed their kidnapped children before they disappeared forever. The law didn't seem to do much to dissuade the abductions. From America's Women by Gail Collins. Copyright © 2003 by Gail Collins. All rights reserved
We don't know which tobacco brides won the golden ring and became a contented farm wife or a prosperous plantation mistress. Only a few of their disasters made it into history. Some of the women, including Cicely Bray, were killed in an Indian attack in 1622, when 347 settlers lost their lives. Examining the site of that massacre, modern archaeologists were puzzled to discover the skeleton of one woman with an iron band around her head that apparently had protected her from scalping. Women in England, they later deduced, used those bands to fasten a roll of cloth under their hair, to make their hairdo look fuller. Perhaps she was a tobacco bride, still trying to maintain her old standards of fashion. Some British contractors, hired to provide the colonies with wives and female servants, simply went out and grabbed whatever warm bodies they could find, shoved them into a boat and set sail. In October 1618, a warrant was issued in England for one Owen Evans, who was kidnapping young women from their villages and sending them off to be sold in Bermuda and Virginia as indentured servants. "His undue proceedings breed such terror to the poor maidens as 40 of them fled out of one parish into such obscure and remote places as their parents and masters can yet have no news what is become of them," reported a correspondent to King James I. The danger of being dragged off to America against one 's will figured prominently in the popular literature of seventeenth-century England-playwrights found the shanghai artists, or "spirits," a handy deus ex machina for eliminating characters midplot. Parents sometimes pursued the spirits' vessels down the Thames, where they ransomed their kidnapped children before they disappeared forever. The law didn't seem to do much to dissuade the abductions. From America's Women by Gail Collins. Copyright © 2003 by Gail Collins. All rights reserved
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A little more
America's Women: Four Hundred Years of Dolls, Drudges, Helpmates, and Heroines by Gail Collins We don't know if Mrs. Forrest and her baby survived the winter, but her former maid, Anne Burras, did. Anne, who was only fourteen when she arrived, soon married a twenty-eight-year-old laborer in Virginia's first wedding ceremony and gave birth to a daughter-- another Virginia--who also lived through the famine. So did Temperance Flowerdew, a young woman who had arrived in Virginia in 1609, after surviving a hurricane at sea. The storm hit a small fleet of boats destined for the colony. One, the Sea Venture, was destroyed, her passengers shipwrecked in an uninhabited part of Bermuda for nearly a year, while the crew turned the wreckage into two smaller boats. The marooned men and women weathered their ordeal on a warm island filled with food, while Temperance and the other émigrés who made it to Virginia were foraging for scraps and cooking rats. But after that unpromising beginning, a number of the women did very well. Temperance was the wife of two of the colony's governors. The first, Captain George Yeardley, was knighted in 1618 and became one of the richest men in Virginia, with several plantations. He named one of them Flowerdew in honor of Lady Yeardley. After his death, Temperance, then about forty-two, married Captain Francis West, one of his successors. The recruiters preferred not to mention certain details. Even after the food shortages ended, the Chesapeake was a death trap. The brackish water, mosquito-laden swamps, and steamy weather killed most people during their first year. Those who survived often suffered from weakness or periodic fits as an aftermath of their exposure to malaria. At least 6,000 people came to Virginia between 1607 and 1624; by 1625, only 1,200 survivors were still there. But the colonies' sponsors were desperate to get females, by hook or by crook--their ventures were in danger of being wrecked on the shoals of dissolute, irresponsible young manhood. In 1619, the Virginia House of Burgesses, petitioning that wives as well as husbands be eligible for grants of free land, argued that in a new plantation, "it is not knowen whether man or woman be the most necessary." London recruiters began searching for marriageable women, offering free passage and trousseaus for girls of good reputation and a sense of adventure. When they married, their new husbands had to reimburse the company with 120 pounds of good leaf tobacco. The first shipment of ninety "tobacco brides" arrived in Jamestown in the spring of 1620. The youngest, Jane Dier, was fifteen or sixteen when she left England. Allice Burges, at twenty-eight, was one of the oldest and said to be skillful in the art of brewing beer- important in a place where the water was generally undrinkable. Cicely Bray was from one of the best families, of a rank that required her to be addressed as "Mistress" rather than the more plebian "goodwife." But all the brides were respectable women, mostly the offspring of middle-class tradesmen who had died, leaving them with no male protectors. All of them provided references, attesting to their honesty, sobriety, and past behavior. Anne Richards was "a woman of an honest and conversation . . . and so is and ever hathe bynne esteemed," wrote one of her parish elders.
America's Women: Four Hundred Years of Dolls, Drudges, Helpmates, and Heroines by Gail Collins We don't know if Mrs. Forrest and her baby survived the winter, but her former maid, Anne Burras, did. Anne, who was only fourteen when she arrived, soon married a twenty-eight-year-old laborer in Virginia's first wedding ceremony and gave birth to a daughter-- another Virginia--who also lived through the famine. So did Temperance Flowerdew, a young woman who had arrived in Virginia in 1609, after surviving a hurricane at sea. The storm hit a small fleet of boats destined for the colony. One, the Sea Venture, was destroyed, her passengers shipwrecked in an uninhabited part of Bermuda for nearly a year, while the crew turned the wreckage into two smaller boats. The marooned men and women weathered their ordeal on a warm island filled with food, while Temperance and the other émigrés who made it to Virginia were foraging for scraps and cooking rats. But after that unpromising beginning, a number of the women did very well. Temperance was the wife of two of the colony's governors. The first, Captain George Yeardley, was knighted in 1618 and became one of the richest men in Virginia, with several plantations. He named one of them Flowerdew in honor of Lady Yeardley. After his death, Temperance, then about forty-two, married Captain Francis West, one of his successors. The recruiters preferred not to mention certain details. Even after the food shortages ended, the Chesapeake was a death trap. The brackish water, mosquito-laden swamps, and steamy weather killed most people during their first year. Those who survived often suffered from weakness or periodic fits as an aftermath of their exposure to malaria. At least 6,000 people came to Virginia between 1607 and 1624; by 1625, only 1,200 survivors were still there. But the colonies' sponsors were desperate to get females, by hook or by crook--their ventures were in danger of being wrecked on the shoals of dissolute, irresponsible young manhood. In 1619, the Virginia House of Burgesses, petitioning that wives as well as husbands be eligible for grants of free land, argued that in a new plantation, "it is not knowen whether man or woman be the most necessary." London recruiters began searching for marriageable women, offering free passage and trousseaus for girls of good reputation and a sense of adventure. When they married, their new husbands had to reimburse the company with 120 pounds of good leaf tobacco. The first shipment of ninety "tobacco brides" arrived in Jamestown in the spring of 1620. The youngest, Jane Dier, was fifteen or sixteen when she left England. Allice Burges, at twenty-eight, was one of the oldest and said to be skillful in the art of brewing beer- important in a place where the water was generally undrinkable. Cicely Bray was from one of the best families, of a rank that required her to be addressed as "Mistress" rather than the more plebian "goodwife." But all the brides were respectable women, mostly the offspring of middle-class tradesmen who had died, leaving them with no male protectors. All of them provided references, attesting to their honesty, sobriety, and past behavior. Anne Richards was "a woman of an honest and conversation . . . and so is and ever hathe bynne esteemed," wrote one of her parish elders.
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Well my take is just that historically women were porperty ect.... so they weren't "significant" enough to have their history written. Because we weren't allowed to make any decisions that held any meaning or significance. So i don't think it's ego driven or any of that. I think the lack of female history is all due to society and the look that was taken regarding women. If you've noticed it has changed. There are a great deal of stories about women these days, that is due to the fact that women are now viewed differently than we were say 200 years earlier. But that's just what I think
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Well if she is an amateur gynaecologist and is pulling teeth, then she is a real amateur!
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Roy is the amatuer gynecologist or geneaologist..now i'm confused
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hell, of course I meant he!
A male gynecologist is like an auto mechanic who has never owned a car
A male gynecologist is like an auto mechanic who has never owned a car
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Then there is this one lady I really found interesting because she was really giving the sea captain some real hell, including one of mine, lol. That same Boise lady already mentioned.
The Bona Nova, from London, arrived at Virginia Passengers from the Port of London on the Bona Nova to Virginia: Ship and Passenger Information: Boyse, Allice~See name in Virginia Muster, January 24, 1624/5 (Her husband. Luke, arrived on the Edwin in May, 1619)
Followed by the court case: A COURT at James Citty the 19th. of February 1626, being sent Mr. Doctor Pott. Capt. Smyth. Capt. Matthews. Mr. Secretary. Mr. ffarrar. It is ordered that there shall be a warrant sent up unto Sherley Hundred in ye Maine, that John Ewins & Jane Hill should be sent downe to James-Citty, & there to be examined concerning such leud behavior as hath bin betweene them. Patrick Kennady marriner sworne & examined sayth that as concerning those words which Mrs. Allice Boyse taxeth Capt. Hudleston to have accused her with at Capt. Martins plantation, viz that he say Capt. Hudleston should there say that Capt. Epes had the use of her body that night that he lay in James Slights house, or else said he never had the use of his owne wife, more then Capt. Epes had of her yt night; this deponeth sayth he did not heare Capt. Hudleston speake the same words, but that Capt. Hudleston sayd there was very unfitting behavior between them.
ADVENTURERS OF PURSE AND PERSON 1607-1625 p.283-6 JOSEPH ROYALL, aged 20 years, came to Virginia in the "Charitie", July 1622 and the following year in the census was listed at Neck of Land in Charles City. As shown in the muster he was one of two young men serving Luke Boyse. After her husband's death Mrs. Boyse petitioned the Court regarding an agreement entered into between her husband and young ROYALL: At this Court (11 January 1626) there was a petition preferred by Mrs. Alice Boise widow, against JOSEPH ROYALL servant to her late husband Luke Boise and showed a covenant bearing date 25 February 1625, wherein the said JOSEPH ROYALL was bound unto the said Luke Boise to perform certain conditions therein mentioned; whereupon, it is ordered, according to the said covenant that the said JOSEPH ROYALL shall make or cause to be made gratis for the said Alice Boise, her child and such servants as were then of this family all such apparel as they shall wear or use till such day and time as he shall depart this land, so long as those of the family shall either serve her or the child. A decree of this sort would be difficult to enforce and it is reasonable to conclude that circumstances freed young ROYAL from the permanent obligation under which Mrs. Boyse sought to place him. By 15 August 1637 he was a land owner in his own right, having patented a portion of a tract later included in the Isham-Royall plantation known as "Doghams". The land lay on the north side of the James River above "Shirley" and remained in the Royall family for more than 200 years.
On January 22, 1626, a trial was hold in Jamestown, Virginia, that produced one of the queerest judgements ever rendered in this or any other country. JOSEPH ROYALL was a ship's master in England and worked for a man by the name of Boise. In June, 1625, Boise outfitted a ship for transporting people to the colonies. The ship left England on July 1, 1625, with Mrs. Boise and 4 daughters as passengers for the trip over. On the trip, Capt. ROYALL, "thru neglecte" caused sea water to ruin the clothing of the passengers. At the trial, the court decreed that Captain ROYALL should provide Mrs. Boise and her four daughters with all of the dresses, clothing and accessories that they might want FOR THE REST OF THEIR NATURAL LIVES.
Sea water damage, gees, lol.
The Bona Nova, from London, arrived at Virginia Passengers from the Port of London on the Bona Nova to Virginia: Ship and Passenger Information: Boyse, Allice~See name in Virginia Muster, January 24, 1624/5 (Her husband. Luke, arrived on the Edwin in May, 1619)
Followed by the court case: A COURT at James Citty the 19th. of February 1626, being sent Mr. Doctor Pott. Capt. Smyth. Capt. Matthews. Mr. Secretary. Mr. ffarrar. It is ordered that there shall be a warrant sent up unto Sherley Hundred in ye Maine, that John Ewins & Jane Hill should be sent downe to James-Citty, & there to be examined concerning such leud behavior as hath bin betweene them. Patrick Kennady marriner sworne & examined sayth that as concerning those words which Mrs. Allice Boyse taxeth Capt. Hudleston to have accused her with at Capt. Martins plantation, viz that he say Capt. Hudleston should there say that Capt. Epes had the use of her body that night that he lay in James Slights house, or else said he never had the use of his owne wife, more then Capt. Epes had of her yt night; this deponeth sayth he did not heare Capt. Hudleston speake the same words, but that Capt. Hudleston sayd there was very unfitting behavior between them.
ADVENTURERS OF PURSE AND PERSON 1607-1625 p.283-6 JOSEPH ROYALL, aged 20 years, came to Virginia in the "Charitie", July 1622 and the following year in the census was listed at Neck of Land in Charles City. As shown in the muster he was one of two young men serving Luke Boyse. After her husband's death Mrs. Boyse petitioned the Court regarding an agreement entered into between her husband and young ROYALL: At this Court (11 January 1626) there was a petition preferred by Mrs. Alice Boise widow, against JOSEPH ROYALL servant to her late husband Luke Boise and showed a covenant bearing date 25 February 1625, wherein the said JOSEPH ROYALL was bound unto the said Luke Boise to perform certain conditions therein mentioned; whereupon, it is ordered, according to the said covenant that the said JOSEPH ROYALL shall make or cause to be made gratis for the said Alice Boise, her child and such servants as were then of this family all such apparel as they shall wear or use till such day and time as he shall depart this land, so long as those of the family shall either serve her or the child. A decree of this sort would be difficult to enforce and it is reasonable to conclude that circumstances freed young ROYAL from the permanent obligation under which Mrs. Boyse sought to place him. By 15 August 1637 he was a land owner in his own right, having patented a portion of a tract later included in the Isham-Royall plantation known as "Doghams". The land lay on the north side of the James River above "Shirley" and remained in the Royall family for more than 200 years.
On January 22, 1626, a trial was hold in Jamestown, Virginia, that produced one of the queerest judgements ever rendered in this or any other country. JOSEPH ROYALL was a ship's master in England and worked for a man by the name of Boise. In June, 1625, Boise outfitted a ship for transporting people to the colonies. The ship left England on July 1, 1625, with Mrs. Boise and 4 daughters as passengers for the trip over. On the trip, Capt. ROYALL, "thru neglecte" caused sea water to ruin the clothing of the passengers. At the trial, the court decreed that Captain ROYALL should provide Mrs. Boise and her four daughters with all of the dresses, clothing and accessories that they might want FOR THE REST OF THEIR NATURAL LIVES.
Sea water damage, gees, lol.
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