Mass killing the Mehsud tribes (61)
TbilisigalTbilisi, Georgia4 Threads 83 PostsDisturbing news is coming from the Wasirastan ,an independent tribal area , 100s of innocent Mehsud tribal villagers are being killed by US drons and Pakistan Army in their so called war on terror . Access to this place is complete shut off .Even Red cross is not allowed to go there .1000s of tribal are being displaced .This is a naked violation of human rights and sheer aggression to an autonomous tribal land of Wasirastan. Is an another Iraq in the making .Please raise our voice to protect the right of the tribal people ,its not a war against the Taliban, it’s a war prompted by US to occupy the tribal land .
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Its dangerous to listen to only one side of the story .....I'm wondering just ' who ' is putting this story out . 
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Sadly we hear only one side of the story always . The story from state sponcered terrorists .which we take as truth . What I stated is not the story .Its what actually happening there . raise to protect the human life
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Read this sad story of 1000s of displaced Mehsuds . who had to leave thier birtplace for a proxy war of US
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hadn't heard anything, but if they hide terrorist they become targets as well, jmo
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almera03: Its dangerous to listen to only one side of the story .....I'm wondering just ' who ' is putting this story out .
As OP said, the news is coming from tribal area Waziristan. The Islamic militants in Waziristan are known to have close affiliations with the Taliban.
Waziristan is considered to be a haven for al-Qaeda fighters. These tribal militants call their organization "The Taliban" or "Pakistani Taliban".
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Laura25: As OP said, the news is coming from tribal area Waziristan. The Islamic militants in Waziristan are known to have close affiliations with the Taliban.
Waziristan is considered to be a haven for al-Qaeda fighters. These tribal militants call their organization "The Taliban" or "Pakistani Taliban".
Waziristan is considered to be a haven for al-Qaeda fighters. These tribal militants call their organization "The Taliban" or "Pakistani Taliban".
All Wasirastnis are not terrorists, there are terrorists among them , like its everywhere , its sad to term all Mehsuds as terrorists and kill the entire tribe just because the taliban leader is a Mehsud . Will you kill all newyorkers by drones if you find a few terrorists among them ? .Why there is a double standrad in treating humans ?
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One-sided news coverage is absurd,
besides....
...isn't it what you suggested to do a while back anyways? Why asking now? Having a second thought or somethin' 
besides....
Tbilisigal: All Wasirastnis are not terrorists, there are terrorists among them , like its everywhere , its sad to term all Mehsuds as terrorists and kill the entire tribe just because the taliban leader is a Mehsud . Will you kill all newyorkers by drones if you find a few terrorists among them ? .Why there is a double standrad in treating humans ?
...isn't
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Tbilisigal: Disturbing news is coming from the Wasirastan ,an independent tribal area , 100s of innocent Mehsud tribal villagers are being killed by US drons and Pakistan Army in their so called war on terror . Access to this place is complete shut off .Even Red cross is not allowed to go there .1000s of tribal are being displaced .This is a naked violation of human rights and sheer aggression to an autonomous tribal land of Wasirastan. Is an another Iraq in the making .Please raise our voice to protect the right of the tribal people ,its not a war against the Taliban, it’s a war prompted by US to occupy the tribal land .
Interesting post. Well, I agree the US must be careful with civilian casualties. High Civilian casualties has a negative effect on any effort to build trust and a relationship between US (also NATO) and the new Afghan Government.
However, people also must be careful when reporting the deaths of civilians. It is always a tragedy for civilians in war, but this is something that has and will always happen in war time. So, it is important to examine why were the civilians killed. Was it a strike just aimed at a peaceful and innocent population? Or was the main target insurgents that hide amongst the civilians. If there are insurgents/militants that are fighting US and coalition forces hiding among the population, you can expect an attack of some sort. Dropping a bomb on a target building, vehicle or person, is one of eliminating the threat. Of course, with each bomb there is collateral damage...it could be infrastructure, natural resources, housing, or the unfortunate civilians.
The military has to weigh its options. Obviously, the life of their troops will be a higher priority, they will want to keep their own out of harms way as best as possible. Also, you have to look at the chances of success. For a larger chance of avoiding civilian casualties you could send in a Special Forces unit to eliminate a target at close range...but that is not always the best option considering, it endangers your men, plus if the target is a militant leader of some sort, that person may leave the area before the team arrives to eliminate him. So, sometimes using a bomb/missile is a more effective way of ensuring that you reach and eliminate the target before they have time to react (escape, or inflect damage or casualties on you).
There are always many sides to the same story. From a civilian point of view, from military point of view, government, a humanitarian view, insurgence view, and so on.
You are taking the humanitarian view, and that is wonderful.
But, you must remember that the ones making these decisions and carrying out these bombings are seeing it from a military perspective. And, so they are approaching and looking at the situation from a different angle. For a humanitarian one civilian killed to kill one insurgent is too much. for the military though, 10 civilians for that one head insurgent may be consider acceptable collateral damage, if they look at the great picture in the cost of lives that could be lost in a conflict, if that insurgent was left alive.------ This thread is Archived ------
I think it's a very nobel attempt to educate OP, Alexey
But somehow I personaly fail to see OP's humanitarian views and/or ways...
...to me her threads look more like a venom-spreading threads than anything even remotely humanitarian.
I dunno, must be just me... 
But somehow I personaly fail to see OP's humanitarian views and/or ways...
Tbilisigal: I urge the US to bomb all Mexican using drones hospitals and cities as there are potential Swine flue patients there . The flue can come to the US through illegal immigrantsand kill a lot of people there .Like the way the US is bombing Pakistan border to eleminate taliban
Tbilisigal: Recently we caught terrorists in New York who were planning to bomb some places in newyork . There can be terrorists hidden in the suburbs of New your as they are hiding in Swat .Is'nt it a good idea to drone the Newyork suburbs to flush them out ? Carpet bomb the suspected hide outs ? Ask all the new your citizens to vaccate and go on a street fight to find them ? creat more than 5 million IDPs ? as we do in Swat and afgan border ? why cant we use the same stategy here too ? any thoughts ?
...to me her threads look more like a venom-spreading threads than anything even remotely humanitarian.
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Laura25: I think it's a very nobel attempt to educate OP, Alexey
But somehow I personaly fail to see OP's humanitarian views and/or ways... ...to me her threads look more like a venom-spreading threads than anything even remotely humanitarian.
I dunno, must be just me...
Ain't just you!But somehow I personaly fail to see OP's humanitarian views and/or ways... ...to me her threads look more like a venom-spreading threads than anything even remotely humanitarian.
I dunno, must be just me...
Her/Its venom-spreading capacity is renowned!
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Laura25: I think it's a very nobel attempt to educate OP, Alexey
But somehow I personaly fail to see OP's humanitarian views and/or ways... ...to me her threads look more like a venom-spreading threads than anything even remotely humanitarian.
I dunno, must be just me...
But somehow I personaly fail to see OP's humanitarian views and/or ways... ...to me her threads look more like a venom-spreading threads than anything even remotely humanitarian.
I dunno, must be just me...
I like your logic . and thanks for your time to reasech my previous postings to prove that I am Venom spitting. I am afraid that you could not find that I was using sarcasm in those posting anyway .
I must say that You are far connected from the reailites of the suffering here in this region because of what your country is doing here. I am not an humanitarian here . I cant do anything for that poor villagers .Your country is bombing people using drones , those are the poorest of poor you see in this world . All I can do here is to make the world aware as little as I can do . Their voices are never heard , their plights are never seen , be patient if you feel I am spitting venom here ..thanks
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Laura25: I think it's a very nobel attempt to educate OP, Alexey
But somehow I personaly fail to see OP's humanitarian views and/or ways... ...to me her threads look more like a venom-spreading threads than anything even remotely humanitarian.
I dunno, must be just me...
But somehow I personaly fail to see OP's humanitarian views and/or ways... ...to me her threads look more like a venom-spreading threads than anything even remotely humanitarian.
I dunno, must be just me...
No not just you at all.
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Dear Alexy
Thanks for the post . Howver the solution cannont be through armed conflicts .the very approach itself is wrong . You have terrorist hidden in a densly populated villages then what on the earth can justify killing of them by carpet bombing ? If you cannot isolate your target then use other ways tofind the militants out . What is the difference between Taliban and your goverment . Taliban is targetting the goverment interests and US targets inside a civil socity and kill urban people in that process .the whole world comdemn them for that , cant you just say it was just collateral damage ? including ur world tower bombing ? .Is killing and counter killing is going to resolve this issu ? . if you seed bomb will it bloom as peace ? .You can ever ever eleminate Taliban by this . Taliban is not terrorism, its becoem as social physic in Pakistan . Millions of Pakistanis support it . they all want you to be out of their country . Taliban is fighting a war with US not with Pakistanis , but poor people become the target as collaterl damage . we need to find a political solution than a milatary solution for this.
Thanks for the post . Howver the solution cannont be through armed conflicts .the very approach itself is wrong . You have terrorist hidden in a densly populated villages then what on the earth can justify killing of them by carpet bombing ? If you cannot isolate your target then use other ways tofind the militants out . What is the difference between Taliban and your goverment . Taliban is targetting the goverment interests and US targets inside a civil socity and kill urban people in that process .the whole world comdemn them for that , cant you just say it was just collateral damage ? including ur world tower bombing ? .Is killing and counter killing is going to resolve this issu ? . if you seed bomb will it bloom as peace ? .You can ever ever eleminate Taliban by this . Taliban is not terrorism, its becoem as social physic in Pakistan . Millions of Pakistanis support it . they all want you to be out of their country . Taliban is fighting a war with US not with Pakistanis , but poor people become the target as collaterl damage . we need to find a political solution than a milatary solution for this.
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Tbilisigal: I like your logic . and thanks for your time to reasech my previous postings to prove that I am Venom spitting. I am afraid that you could not find that I was using sarcasm in those posting anyway .
I must say that You are far connected from the reailites of the suffering here in this region because of what your country is doing here. I am not an humanitarian here . I cant do anything for that poor villagers .Your country is bombing people using drones , those are the poorest of poor you see in this world . All I can do here is to make the world aware as little as I can do . Their voices are never heard , their plights are never seen , be patient if you feel I am spitting venom here ..thanks
I must say that You are far connected from the reailites of the suffering here in this region because of what your country is doing here. I am not an humanitarian here . I cant do anything for that poor villagers .Your country is bombing people using drones , those are the poorest of poor you see in this world . All I can do here is to make the world aware as little as I can do . Their voices are never heard , their plights are never seen , be patient if you feel I am spitting venom here ..thanks
Well, you were clearly using sarcasm, I can understand that. And I can understand that you want to get the word out regarding the deaths of innocent civilians, that is a very good thing. And, I think everyone here would like to see less civilian casualties.
The big problem is there is just a lot of ways that the problems are approached and looked at. We are for the most part looking at it from the civilian point of view. The military sees the situation in a different light. We have remember to look at all the different perspectives to really understand the full situation. US bombs killed the civilians, but why did they bomb? There was an insurgency there...
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Tbilisigal: Dear Alexy
Thanks for the post . Howver the solution cannont be through armed conflicts .the very approach itself is wrong . You have terrorist hidden in a densly populated villages then what on the earth can justify killing of them by carpet bombing ? If you cannot isolate your target then use other ways tofind the militants out . What is the difference between Taliban and your goverment . Taliban is targetting the goverment interests and US targets inside a civil socity and kill urban people in that process .the whole world comdemn them for that , cant you just say it was just collateral damage ? including ur world tower bombing ? .Is killing and counter killing is going to resolve this issu ? . if you seed bomb will it bloom as peace ? .You can ever ever eleminate Taliban by this . Taliban is not terrorism, its becoem as social physic in Pakistan . Millions of Pakistanis support it . they all want you to be out of their country . Taliban is fighting a war with US not with Pakistanis , but poor people become the target as collaterl damage . we need to find a political solution than a milatary solution for this.
Thanks for the post . Howver the solution cannont be through armed conflicts .the very approach itself is wrong . You have terrorist hidden in a densly populated villages then what on the earth can justify killing of them by carpet bombing ? If you cannot isolate your target then use other ways tofind the militants out . What is the difference between Taliban and your goverment . Taliban is targetting the goverment interests and US targets inside a civil socity and kill urban people in that process .the whole world comdemn them for that , cant you just say it was just collateral damage ? including ur world tower bombing ? .Is killing and counter killing is going to resolve this issu ? . if you seed bomb will it bloom as peace ? .You can ever ever eleminate Taliban by this . Taliban is not terrorism, its becoem as social physic in Pakistan . Millions of Pakistanis support it . they all want you to be out of their country . Taliban is fighting a war with US not with Pakistanis , but poor people become the target as collaterl damage . we need to find a political solution than a milatary solution for this.
Why is it the bashers of western CIVILISATION have to play by the rules of being humane in any conflict, yet nobody condemns the mass killings of the innocent with terrorism. When are you going to grow up and stop crying foul all the time. Yet all westerners have to play the game fairly. Dont condone one and condemn the other.
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In response to: Disturbing news is coming from the Wasirastan ,an independent tribal area , 100s of innocent Mehsud tribal villagers are being killed by US drons and Pakistan Army in their so called war on terror . Access to this place is complete shut off .Even Red cross is not allowed to go there .1000s of tribal are being displaced .This is a naked violation of human rights and sheer aggression to an autonomous tribal land of Wasirastan. Is an another Iraq in the making .Please raise our voice to protect the right of the tribal people ,its not a war against the Taliban, it’s a war prompted by US to occupy the tribal land .
Take it to the world court in Geneva if in fact the complaint is a valid one.
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Tbilisigal: Dear Alexy
Thanks for the post . Howver the solution cannont be through armed conflicts .the very approach itself is wrong . You have terrorist hidden in a densly populated villages then what on the earth can justify killing of them by carpet bombing ? If you cannot isolate your target then use other ways tofind the militants out . What is the difference between Taliban and your goverment . Taliban is targetting the goverment interests and US targets inside a civil socity and kill urban people in that process .the whole world comdemn them for that , cant you just say it was just collateral damage ? including ur world tower bombing ? .Is killing and counter killing is going to resolve this issu ? . if you seed bomb will it bloom as peace ? .You can ever ever eleminate Taliban by this . Taliban is not terrorism, its becoem as social physic in Pakistan . Millions of Pakistanis support it . they all want you to be out of their country . Taliban is fighting a war with US not with Pakistanis , but poor people become the target as collaterl damage . we need to find a political solution than a milatary solution for this.
Thanks for the post . Howver the solution cannont be through armed conflicts .the very approach itself is wrong . You have terrorist hidden in a densly populated villages then what on the earth can justify killing of them by carpet bombing ? If you cannot isolate your target then use other ways tofind the militants out . What is the difference between Taliban and your goverment . Taliban is targetting the goverment interests and US targets inside a civil socity and kill urban people in that process .the whole world comdemn them for that , cant you just say it was just collateral damage ? including ur world tower bombing ? .Is killing and counter killing is going to resolve this issu ? . if you seed bomb will it bloom as peace ? .You can ever ever eleminate Taliban by this . Taliban is not terrorism, its becoem as social physic in Pakistan . Millions of Pakistanis support it . they all want you to be out of their country . Taliban is fighting a war with US not with Pakistanis , but poor people become the target as collaterl damage . we need to find a political solution than a milatary solution for this.
Good posts and good questions. Well, to some degree you are correct. The difference between the World Trade Center and the bombing of the village is that there is an armed insurgency present in those villages that are threatening coalition forces. There were no insurgents threatening the lives of Afghans in the World Trade Center.
Of course, any civilian death is terrible. However the US is also attacking with a legitimate armed forces, which are in uniforms. Insurgents are not considered a legitimate armed force, and they use civilian forces as cover (to blend with the population).
Yes Diplomatic option would be best. Unfortunately at this time there is no agreement that can be reached between the Taliban and the US. Taliban wants the US out of Middle East and to stop supporting Israel. Neither are options the US will accept.
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Oh, and Pakistan IS fighting the Taliban, and they are fighting the Pakistan Army. Yes, you are right Pakistan does not want the US to enter Pakistan, but they do not want the Taliban to take over their country either. They want Pakistan to be Pakistan and ruled by Pakistan.
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Tbilisigal: All Wasirastnis are not terrorists, there are terrorists among them , like its everywhere , its sad to term all Mehsuds as terrorists and kill the entire tribe just because the taliban leader is a Mehsud . Will you kill all newyorkers by drones if you find a few terrorists among them ? .Why there is a double standrad in treating humans ?
I have posted a thread in this forum long back condemning these attacks.US is using Pakistanis to wage their war.You cannot brand the entire geography as terrorists and send drons to crush them .Most of the "terrorist" killed by the drons are mearly villagers attending some religios functions or marriage parties and are women and childern.This is one of the sever humanitarian situation in the world history . A population is being slaughered silently by their own goverment and its ally. Most of these killing are either covered up or was turned down by the western media. Just because some one is in uniform you cannot legitimate their crualities. who is the terrorist here ? both are killing innocents for achieving their goal . so there is no difference techically between them .its foolish to think that Milatary option can wipe out insurgency .past 8 years the US failed doing this in Afgan and in Iraq as well .Its not going to suceeed in Pakstan aswell . there are around 200000 Mehsuds and Pashtusn dispaced in this fight and they are surely going to be against the establishments and turn into insurgents ,resulting in more bomb blasts across this region and a possible civil war in Pakistan .there is a big ethinic divide created in Pakistan thanks to the US and its war on terror .Pakistan must say an empathatic no to the US and the forces and try to reslove issues by dialouges and inclusiveness . they must take India,Iran , and afgaistan in confidennce as terror is spilling into these contries as well.We as south asians must understand that US has no intersts in people here other than protecting the fule sources for their benifits . We must voice together for their early exist from this region.We all are victim of terror formented by the th US and its allys . there in only one way out .Get the imperalists out ouf this region and let people manage their issues without the western interference .
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