Amada Knox.........guilty or innocent? (74)
rizlared: It is pointless my arguing with a closed mind such as yours, I will remain open minded until I can see actual facts before condemning someone, and in this particular case there seem to be many areas that just don't add up, I hope it gets resolved soon, I try to view people as innocent until proven guilty with real facts and evidence, shame more people can't do the same
How dare you called me closed minded. It is you who think that you are in a better pposition than the Italian Jury. They sat through the whole case, listened to all the evidence and reached a decision of Guilty! But you in you snobbish attitude think by just reading some articles in the paper you have the right to question them?????? And you say i have a chip on my shoulder and am closed minded. Loook in the mirror!
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Keeneland: How dare you called me closed minded. It is you who think that you are in a better pposition than the Italian Jury. They sat through the whole case, listened to all the evidence and reached a decision of Guilty! But you in you snobbish attitude think by just reading some articles in the paper you have the right to question them?????? And you say i have a chip on my shoulder and am closed minded. Loook in the mirror!
Jaysus Keenland, that's twice this week I'm in agreement with you. The trial appeared dignified to me compared with the media circus of the Michael Jackson and OJ Simpson cases.
I am only to aware of failiugs in the English judicial system too.
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Living just a hundred odd km off the coast of Sicily, we are obviously prone to feel 'involved' in matters that occur in Italy, even if beyond our border jurisdiction kind of....
..the Meredith Kercher murder case in Italy has provoked a media circus like few cases ave in the last years...
..true, there are a lot of foggy issues that do not allow a clear cut opinion on the case...
...however....one thing I am sure of....and will state outright....no...this was not a case of 'anti-American' sentiment whatsoever.....and whoever came out with that is stupid and certainly not well versed on the case....
...as to whether the verdict was correct or not....there may be grey areas that may prove to be legally debatable in an International Court of law...
...but then again...it is only the three protagonists charged in this case that know the whole truth of what happened that night of the murder....
..certainly not for anybody from here who is simply repeating the rubbish that has been presented on the international and particularly the US press on the case...
..the Meredith Kercher murder case in Italy has provoked a media circus like few cases ave in the last years...
..true, there are a lot of foggy issues that do not allow a clear cut opinion on the case...
...however....one thing I am sure of....and will state outright....no...this was not a case of 'anti-American' sentiment whatsoever.....and whoever came out with that is stupid and certainly not well versed on the case....
...as to whether the verdict was correct or not....there may be grey areas that may prove to be legally debatable in an International Court of law...
...but then again...it is only the three protagonists charged in this case that know the whole truth of what happened that night of the murder....
..certainly not for anybody from here who is simply repeating the rubbish that has been presented on the international and particularly the US press on the case...
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Godsgift: Jaysus Keenland, that's twice this week I'm in agreement with you. The trial appeared dignified to me compared with the media circus of the Michael Jackson and OJ Simpson cases.
I am only to aware of failiugs in the English judicial system too.
I am only to aware of failiugs in the English judicial system too.
Well if you read Ttom and rizards posts GG they don't think it's possible to get a fair trial outside the US or UK. They think the are in a better position than the Jury to find a verdict from what they have read in the papers.
One idiot was even blaming an incident from WW11 and saying thats why an italian jury might convict her.
Ridicioulas arguements!!!!!
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The simple fact of the matter is that Ms. Knox was in Italy of her own free will. While some Americans tend to think otherwise, once we leave the US and enter another country we are subject to their laws and their justice system. All the US government can do--or should do--is make sure that she is being treated fairly under Italian law. Outside of that, there is little the US government can or should do.
Expecting President Obama to step in and "do something" is just. . .it's idiotic. It's asking for too much. While I do believe that, as president, he should be concerned with the well being of every American at home or abroad, he has to balance the needs of the nation with the needs of Ms. Knox and her family. I'm sorry, but Amanda Knox is not so important to the United States that President Obama should be risking our relationship with Italy over her.
On the other hand, Italy should allow American representatives to meet with her and speak with her, if for no other reason than diplomatic courtesy.
Expecting President Obama to step in and "do something" is just. . .it's idiotic. It's asking for too much. While I do believe that, as president, he should be concerned with the well being of every American at home or abroad, he has to balance the needs of the nation with the needs of Ms. Knox and her family. I'm sorry, but Amanda Knox is not so important to the United States that President Obama should be risking our relationship with Italy over her.
On the other hand, Italy should allow American representatives to meet with her and speak with her, if for no other reason than diplomatic courtesy.
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Aramis734: The simple fact of the matter is that Ms. Knox was in Italy of her own free will. While some Americans tend to think otherwise, once we leave the US and enter another country we are subject to their laws and their justice system. All the US government can do--or should do--is make sure that she is being treated fairly under Italian law. Outside of that, there is little the US government can or should do.
Expecting President Obama to step in and "do something" is just. . .it's idiotic. It's asking for too much. While I do believe that, as president, he should be concerned with the well being of every American at home or abroad, he has to balance the needs of the nation with the needs of Ms. Knox and her family. I'm sorry, but Amanda Knox is not so important to the United States that President Obama should be risking our relationship with Italy over her.
On the other hand, Italy should allow American representatives to meet with her and speak with her, if for no other reason than diplomatic courtesy.
Expecting President Obama to step in and "do something" is just. . .it's idiotic. It's asking for too much. While I do believe that, as president, he should be concerned with the well being of every American at home or abroad, he has to balance the needs of the nation with the needs of Ms. Knox and her family. I'm sorry, but Amanda Knox is not so important to the United States that President Obama should be risking our relationship with Italy over her.
On the other hand, Italy should allow American representatives to meet with her and speak with her, if for no other reason than diplomatic courtesy.
I am sure she will have no problem getting scheduled visits from her legal team / family and other representives but she should get no more or less than other prisoners. She should be treated the exact same as every other murderer in prison in Italy.
Ti read some post you would not know there was 2 other people also found guilty of this murder. Should the presidents of those countries interviene to get a murderer set free?
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The US State Department has dismissed all implied conjectures on the US press regarding the anti-US issue outright as absolute rubbish.
Just because Amanda Knox happenned to be a US citizen has no implications on the trial nor the verdict.
None whatsoever.
We are talking about Italy here for goodness sake.....not some anti western country like Sudan or Iran.
Don't be so insular as to think that anything that happens to a US citizen is a sign of anti-US sentiments.
Amanda Knox could have been French, British, Swedish or Italian for all that matters.
The trial and the verdict would still have been the same, shrouded in mysterious circumstances as it may be.
Just because Amanda Knox happenned to be a US citizen has no implications on the trial nor the verdict.
None whatsoever.
We are talking about Italy here for goodness sake.....not some anti western country like Sudan or Iran.
Don't be so insular as to think that anything that happens to a US citizen is a sign of anti-US sentiments.
Amanda Knox could have been French, British, Swedish or Italian for all that matters.
The trial and the verdict would still have been the same, shrouded in mysterious circumstances as it may be.
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Keeneland: I am sure she will have no problem getting scheduled visits from her legal team / family and other representives but she should get no more or less than other prisoners. She should be treated the exact same as every other murderer in prison in Italy.
Ti read some post you would not know there was 2 other people also found guilty of this murder. Should the presidents of those countries interviene to get a murderer set free?
Ti read some post you would not know there was 2 other people also found guilty of this murder. Should the presidents of those countries interviene to get a murderer set free?
Again, President Obama or any other national leader should only intervene as far as necessary to see to it that their citizen has been treated fairly and no further. Beyond that, boo hoo. She's in Italy, not the US.
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gozoman2:
We are talking about Italy here for goodness sake.....not some anti western country like Sudan or Iran.
We are talking about Italy here for goodness sake.....not some anti western country like Sudan or Iran.
Very true. We're also talking about murder, not a group of hikers who have been charged with "espionage".
Italy could have told the US to butt the hell out, but it didn't.
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Iuchi_Zien: I try not to judge anybody and certainly wouldn't judge a whole nation based on the views of a few extremists (whatever their persuasion) So please don't assume that what we say applies to yourself or other moderates.
Moderate, me? That's actually funny. To be completely honest, if it were up to me and I was 100% certain that Ms. Knox was guilty of murder I would have her executed. Does that sound like a moderate to you?
What I am is a realist. Ms. Knox is in Italy and she is subject to Italian law--not British or American law. She should be punished under Italian law and the US should stay the hell out of it except to see that a citizen is not being mistreated.
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Aramis734: Moderate, me? That's actually funny. To be completely honest, if it were up to me and I was 100% certain that Ms. Knox was guilty of murder I would have her executed. Does that sound like a moderate to you?
What I am is a realist. Ms. Knox is in Italy and she is subject to Italian law--not British or American law. She should be punished under Italian law and the US should stay the hell out of it except to see that a citizen is not being mistreated.
What I am is a realist. Ms. Knox is in Italy and she is subject to Italian law--not British or American law. She should be punished under Italian law and the US should stay the hell out of it except to see that a citizen is not being mistreated.
I think in the US that does actually make you a moderate
At least you're not suggesting that the US threaten to nuke Italy if they don't release her.
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Aramis734
Amen, amen, amen.
I can't believe you are an USAmerican... are there more like that? Bring 'em on.
Amen, amen, amen.
I can't believe you are an USAmerican... are there more like that? Bring 'em on.
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Iuchi_Zien: I think in the US that does actually make you a moderate
At least you're not suggesting that the US threaten to nuke Italy if they don't release her.
At least you're not suggesting that the US threaten to nuke Italy if they don't release her.
Considering that I am registered with the Republican Party, I suppose you're right--some of my political views and beliefs could be considered moderate. I don't look at myself that way, though.
If Ms. Knox was being held on some trumped up charge with absolutely no legal or logical basis, then yeah--I'd be in favor of a more robust response from the US. But she's not a political prisoner, and Italy is not hostile to the US. If that were the case, it would be different. This is not a diplomatic crisis which necessitates the involvement of the office of the President.
But, ya know, if they DON'T release her, we could send them Tiger Woods. . .
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It is the job of the Defence to try to prove 'reasonable doubt' if they have failed, which obviously they have because she has been found guilty. Shouldn't we respect the Judges and jurists who have listened to all the evidence put forward (which we haven't) and made a decision based on that evidence.