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holybee: British government issuing arrest warrant for former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni on war crime in Gaza with out looking into the side of Hamas which triggers the offensive is one-sided judgment and trying to gain favor from the Arabs.
Is this right or wrong?
Is this right or wrong?
If a person is accused of a crime, it is irrelevant whether the victim of that crime is also accused. A crime is a crime.
The debacle in Gaza qualifies as a crime against humanity and should be prosecuted as such.
The use of white phosphorus against civilians is a crime with no defense.
If anyone from Hamas has committed a war crime, then they too need to be charged.
Whether charges are pressed does also depend on what evidence is actually available.
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TheWriteStuff: If a person is accused of a crime, it is irrelevant whether the victim of that crime is also accused. A crime is a crime.
The debacle in Gaza qualifies as a crime against humanity and should be prosecuted as such.
The use of white phosphorus against civilians is a crime with no defense.
If anyone from Hamas has committed a war crime, then they too need to be charged.
Whether charges are pressed does also depend on what evidence is actually available.
The debacle in Gaza qualifies as a crime against humanity and should be prosecuted as such.
The use of white phosphorus against civilians is a crime with no defense.
If anyone from Hamas has committed a war crime, then they too need to be charged.
Whether charges are pressed does also depend on what evidence is actually available.
While I agree with you that the use of white phosporus is a big no no, Hamas have been guilty of their own atrocities too. Charging just one party in this matter makes the charge lose credibility as a whole.
Unfortunately the war there has been going for so long that both sides are brutalized and view atrocities as a common everyday occurrence.
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wulfen: While I agree with you that the use of white phosporus is a big no no, Hamas have been guilty of their own atrocities too. Charging just one party in this matter makes the charge lose credibility as a whole.
Unfortunately the war there has been going for so long that both sides are brutalized and view atrocities as a common everyday occurrence.
Unfortunately the war there has been going for so long that both sides are brutalized and view atrocities as a common everyday occurrence.
As Gandhi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind".
I agree with you, but I still think that charges against Israel are warranted.
And yes, against Hamas.
There does seem to be an attitude that Israel is somehow meant to be immune from prosecution.
And I ponder whether the charges for each side would be the same.
I don't recall Hamas using white phosphorus.
Both sides are painfully provocative and neither can claim any innocence.
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wulfen: While I agree with you that the use of white phosporus is a big no no, Hamas have been guilty of their own atrocities too. Charging just one party in this matter makes the charge lose credibility as a whole.
Unfortunately the war there has been going for so long that both sides are brutalized and view atrocities as a common everyday occurrence.
Unfortunately the war there has been going for so long that both sides are brutalized and view atrocities as a common everyday occurrence.
Both sides have done wrong but when a people are collectively corralled into a small corner theres no telling what they may resort to.....
The history here is particularly telling
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trish123: Both sides have done wrong but when a people are collectively corralled into a small corner theres no telling what they may resort to.....
The history here is particularly telling
The history here is particularly telling
Well said
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holybee: British government issuing arrest warrant for former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni on war crime in Gaza with out looking into the side of Hamas which triggers the offensive is one-sided judgment and trying to gain favor from the Arabs.
Is this right or wrong?
Is this right or wrong?
On 14 December 2009, Arabic language media reported that a court in London had ordered Livni's arrest in connection with accusations of war crimes in the Gaza Strip during Operation Cast Lead (2008–2009). The warrant was later annulled after it was revealed she had not entered British territory. Sources close to Livni have denied the allegations and Israeli ambassador to the UK asserted that British justice ministry officials told him they have not heard of an arrest warrant against Livni. The warrant was later denounced as "cynical" by the Israeli foreign ministry, while Livni's office said she was "proud of all her decisions in Operation Cast Lead".
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rizlared: The Israelis have opened up to investigation within certain constraints, hamas have hidden everything and threatened innocent people with death if they give information about the atrocities carried out by Hamas, the whole investigation on both sides is a farce to my mind
Exactly.
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TheWriteStuff: As Gandhi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind".
I agree with you, but I still think that charges against Israel are warranted.
And yes, against Hamas.
There does seem to be an attitude that Israel is somehow meant to be immune from prosecution.
And I ponder whether the charges for each side would be the same.
I don't recall Hamas using white phosphorus.
Both sides are painfully provocative and neither can claim any innocence.
I agree with you, but I still think that charges against Israel are warranted.
And yes, against Hamas.
There does seem to be an attitude that Israel is somehow meant to be immune from prosecution.
And I ponder whether the charges for each side would be the same.
I don't recall Hamas using white phosphorus.
Both sides are painfully provocative and neither can claim any innocence.
Hamas may have not used white phosphorus, but they have rained missiles on Israeli civilians, inviting retaliation attacks of their own.
It's a bit like complaining about being bitten by a pit bull after you're gone taunting that same pit bull with a stick.
You're right however in your claim that there is a prevailing attitude that Israel is immune from prosecution and seems to get away with stuff that would see sanctions against any other state.
The reasons for that are simple. First, the West still has the 'guilt complex' about the holocaust, and Israel has always astutely (from their own perspective) beaten the drum on it whenever Western nations have dared to criticize it. This guilt complex has lessened in the past decade or so, but it's still there.
The second is that Israel is backed by the USA. Many of the richest businessmen in the US are Jewish, and they in turn exert a lot of influence of the US government. This is no conspiracy theory mind you, it's pure logic. Jewish businessmen are only doing the logical thing (from their perspective) of shielding Israel from political pressure.
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the Hamas does not value the life of Palestinians thats all.Hamas forced a legitimate government out of Gaza and nothing was done about it, the world is not serious about solving the problem between the Israeli and Palestine so they need not to put the blame on a leader that is defending his/her citizens.
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holybee: the Hamas does not value the life of Palestinians thats all.Hamas forced a legitimate government out of Gaza and nothing was done about it, the world is not serious about solving the problem between the Israeli and Palestine so they need not to put the blame on a leader that is defending his/her citizens.
Well put!
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From its beginnings in the 1960s, the PLO had been the dominant force in Palestinian politics. But since it came to power as head of the Palestine Authority in the post-Oslo era in 1993, its image has suffered because its leadership was seen as ineffective and overly tolerant of corruption.
As a result, Hamas' influence has grown. It ran its own shadow government and won great support among Palestinians because of the extensive network of social services it offered in the occupied territories.
Hamas leaders are generally considered to be more effective and less corrupt than the PLO. In January 2006, Hamas won a dramatic victory in Palestinian elections and became the dominant political power in Palestine.
As a result, Hamas' influence has grown. It ran its own shadow government and won great support among Palestinians because of the extensive network of social services it offered in the occupied territories.
Hamas leaders are generally considered to be more effective and less corrupt than the PLO. In January 2006, Hamas won a dramatic victory in Palestinian elections and became the dominant political power in Palestine.
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trish123: From its beginnings in the 1960s, the PLO had been the dominant force in Palestinian politics. But since it came to power as head of the Palestine Authority in the post-Oslo era in 1993, its image has suffered because its leadership was seen as ineffective and overly tolerant of corruption.
As a result, Hamas' influence has grown. It ran its own shadow government and won great support among Palestinians because of the extensive network of social services it offered in the occupied territories.
Hamas leaders are generally considered to be more effective and less corrupt than the PLO. In January 2006, Hamas won a dramatic victory in Palestinian elections and became the dominant political power in Palestine.
As a result, Hamas' influence has grown. It ran its own shadow government and won great support among Palestinians because of the extensive network of social services it offered in the occupied territories.
Hamas leaders are generally considered to be more effective and less corrupt than the PLO. In January 2006, Hamas won a dramatic victory in Palestinian elections and became the dominant political power in Palestine.
Trish, the fact that Hamas is less corrupt than the PLO doesn't hide the fact that they're a terrorist organization. Since when terrorists are part of an eligible government?
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wulfen: Trish, the fact that Hamas is less corrupt than the PLO doesn't hide the fact that they're a terrorist organization. Since when terrorists are part of an eligible government?
Im not ignorant of the fact but the point I was making is that they were elected by the people - and because the west are behind the Israelis doesnt exonerate them from from their fair share of atrocities too - both sides need to stop the name calling and get down to finding solutions - at the end of the day this is a battle for earths resources and it rages on while the west continue their wasteful lifestyle habits - the whole interconnectedness of the middle east conflict is like a bloody disease of the earth......
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holybee: British government issuing arrest warrant for former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni on war crime in Gaza with out looking into the side of Hamas which triggers the offensive is one-sided judgment and trying to gain favor from the Arabs.
Is this right or wrong?
Who cares Bomb them all ,Too many people in that part of the world anyhow...Is this right or wrong?
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In the early sixries when the second world war was still reasonably fresh in peoples minds,I worked in the clothing Industry in East London, it was 90% Jewish, for some years I met and talked often with concentration camp survivors and refugess, it had a substantial effect on me.
Later when the 1967 six day war erupted, I volunteered to go and defend what I considered was the Jewish right to have peace and a space to call home.
Today ,I am bitterly opposed to what I see in Israel, surely,they have created the Ghetto conditions for the Arabs just as had been created by the Germans for the Jews in Poland,while Israel ensures, (rightly) that we never forget the
Holacaust, they turn a blind eye to their own version.
Later when the 1967 six day war erupted, I volunteered to go and defend what I considered was the Jewish right to have peace and a space to call home.
Today ,I am bitterly opposed to what I see in Israel, surely,they have created the Ghetto conditions for the Arabs just as had been created by the Germans for the Jews in Poland,while Israel ensures, (rightly) that we never forget the
Holacaust, they turn a blind eye to their own version.
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Lostrebel: Who cares Bomb them all ,Too many people in that part of the world anyhow...
Hmmm, flack jackets at the ready...
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Chrisys: In the early sixries when the second world war was still reasonably fresh in peoples minds,I worked in the clothing Industry in East London, it was 90% Jewish, for some years I met and talked often with concentration camp survivors and refugess, it had a substantial effect on me.
Later when the 1967 six day war erupted, I volunteered to go and defend what I considered was the Jewish right to have peace and a space to call home.
Today ,I am bitterly opposed to what I see in Israel, surely,they have created the Ghetto conditions for the Arabs just as had been created by the Germans for the Jews in Poland,while Israel ensures, (rightly) that we never forget the
Holacaust, they turn a blind eye to their own version.
Later when the 1967 six day war erupted, I volunteered to go and defend what I considered was the Jewish right to have peace and a space to call home.
Today ,I am bitterly opposed to what I see in Israel, surely,they have created the Ghetto conditions for the Arabs just as had been created by the Germans for the Jews in Poland,while Israel ensures, (rightly) that we never forget the
Holacaust, they turn a blind eye to their own version.
I find your post very insightful mate, and I find myself agreeing with most of it. I sympathize with the Jews during the early parts of the Arab-Israeli wars, at the time they were literally fighting for their survival.
Nowadays they're more like the sheep turned wolf, but realistically, surrounded as they are by enemies, can they afford to be a peaceful lamb? Even if they stop shooting and evacuate Gaza tomorrow, the Arab states will still continue to plot against them, they're mortal enemies now.
Effectively they've entered into a dead end situation.
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ogdensburgbabe: Hmmm, flack jackets at the ready...
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