Immigration in modern Ireland (25)
Keeneland: I know i am probably opening a can of worms here but i was wondering what everyone though about the illegal immigrant sitituation in Ireland today.
At the moment only 87.4% of out population is Irish. The majority of the 12.6% non Irish people are legal immigrants but there are a huge number of people here illegally. From when a person arrives illegally it can take up to 10 years before they are sent home because of all the red tape and appeals processes.
While here they are receiving welfare, housing, child benefit and all other allowance dues to Irish Nationals and also some extra allowences like a an allowance to buy a car.
Personally i think the world is getting smaller day by day and i believe immigration can help a counrty. I also believe we have a duty of care to protect people from countries who may be persecuated or killed if sent home.
But i think we have to balance this with the fact that we can't afford economic and financial illegal immigrants, especially in the current economic climate. I think we should bring in new laws to remove a lot of the red tape and hurry up the appeals processes so anyone who is here illigally can be ssent home as soon as possible. Is this wrong of me?
At the moment only 87.4% of out population is Irish. The majority of the 12.6% non Irish people are legal immigrants but there are a huge number of people here illegally. From when a person arrives illegally it can take up to 10 years before they are sent home because of all the red tape and appeals processes.
While here they are receiving welfare, housing, child benefit and all other allowance dues to Irish Nationals and also some extra allowences like a an allowance to buy a car.
Personally i think the world is getting smaller day by day and i believe immigration can help a counrty. I also believe we have a duty of care to protect people from countries who may be persecuated or killed if sent home.
But i think we have to balance this with the fact that we can't afford economic and financial illegal immigrants, especially in the current economic climate. I think we should bring in new laws to remove a lot of the red tape and hurry up the appeals processes so anyone who is here illigally can be ssent home as soon as possible. Is this wrong of me?
I agree with you 100% the good times are gone and its time to look after our own, We don`t owe anything to illegal immigrants so wh should we be expected to fork out money for this and money for that, They should all be rounded up bundled into a container and shipped off home
Keeneland: I know i am probably opening a can of worms here but i was wondering what everyone though about the illegal immigrant sitituation in Ireland today.
At the moment only 87.4% of out population is Irish. The majority of the 12.6% non Irish people are legal immigrants but there are a huge number of people here illegally. From when a person arrives illegally it can take up to 10 years before they are sent home because of all the red tape and appeals processes.
While here they are receiving welfare, housing, child benefit and all other allowance dues to Irish Nationals and also some extra allowences like a an allowance to buy a car.
Personally i think the world is getting smaller day by day and i believe immigration can help a counrty. I also believe we have a duty of care to protect people from countries who may be persecuated or killed if sent home.
But i think we have to balance this with the fact that we can't afford economic and financial illegal immigrants, especially in the current economic climate. I think we should bring in new laws to remove a lot of the red tape and hurry up the appeals processes so anyone who is here illigally can be ssent home as soon as possible. Is this wrong of me?
At the moment only 87.4% of out population is Irish. The majority of the 12.6% non Irish people are legal immigrants but there are a huge number of people here illegally. From when a person arrives illegally it can take up to 10 years before they are sent home because of all the red tape and appeals processes.
While here they are receiving welfare, housing, child benefit and all other allowance dues to Irish Nationals and also some extra allowences like a an allowance to buy a car.
Personally i think the world is getting smaller day by day and i believe immigration can help a counrty. I also believe we have a duty of care to protect people from countries who may be persecuated or killed if sent home.
But i think we have to balance this with the fact that we can't afford economic and financial illegal immigrants, especially in the current economic climate. I think we should bring in new laws to remove a lot of the red tape and hurry up the appeals processes so anyone who is here illigally can be ssent home as soon as possible. Is this wrong of me?
Are you talking about an asylum seeker? well they are more than likely to be housed in some centre like mosney! They are not allowed social welfare etc , they get approx 19euro a wk, now i often wonder how the hell anyone can live on that, but thats why they are probably begging on the street.
and yes they get bed @ food but can you imagine living like that for yrs because we dont have a proper system 2 process their status?
nitak: Are you talking about an asylum seeker? well they are more than likely to be housed in some centre like mosney! They are not allowed social welfare etc , they get approx 19euro a wk, now i often wonder how the hell anyone can live on that, but thats why they are probably begging on the street.
and yes they get bed @ food but can you imagine living like that for yrs because we dont have a proper system 2 process their status?
and yes they get bed @ food but can you imagine living like that for yrs because we dont have a proper system 2 process their status?
Only a small amount are housed in Mosney. We have thousand of illigals in the country and we don't have thousands of mosneys. A lot a housed in Hotels, Houses and B&B's costing the government huge money. They also get clothed, fed, bills paid and get basically 20 euro spending money a week. They receive allowances for cars and a lot of other items. To say the don't get welfare is untrue because the welfare pays for all of this.
I agree that the system is too slow in dealing with them and it should be a lot faster. The legal fees for their immigration requests are also astronomical. I am not saying that we just send them home, i am saying we have to speed up the process so those that can stay can start their life here and those that have no right to stay should be sent home.
The present laws are costing the tax payer a fortune between legal bills and all the costs of keeping these people.
Keeneland: Only a small amount are housed in Mosney. We have thousand of illigals in the country and we don't have thousands of mosneys. A lot a housed in Hotels, Houses and B&B's costing the government huge money. They also get clothed, fed, bills paid and get basically 20 euro spending money a week. They receive allowances for cars and a lot of other items. To say the don't get welfare is untrue because the welfare pays for all of this.
I agree that the system is too slow in dealing with them and it should be a lot faster. The legal fees for their immigration requests are also astronomical. I am not saying that we just send them home, i am saying we have to speed up the process so those that can stay can start their life here and those that have no right to stay should be sent home.
The present laws are costing the tax payer a fortune between legal bills and all the costs of keeping these people.
I agree that the system is too slow in dealing with them and it should be a lot faster. The legal fees for their immigration requests are also astronomical. I am not saying that we just send them home, i am saying we have to speed up the process so those that can stay can start their life here and those that have no right to stay should be sent home.
The present laws are costing the tax payer a fortune between legal bills and all the costs of keeping these people.
Yes its the system thats the problem not the people as some are genuine and yes there are others who arnt.
They are housed all around but they are not entitled to allowances especially as you mentioned earliar for cars?
The reality is though some of these places arnt run very well and your basically controlled as to everything you do! and to live like that for yrs i think its disgracful either send them back or let them stay but 2 remain in limbo for so long?
Now i wud hate to be a parent at this time of year on 20e trying to get some stuff for my kids so they cud have a resonable xmas after all its not there fault!
Personally i don't really have a problem with immigrants if they work because there is loads of illegal irish people in America, Australia etc so we can't really complain too much about it or we would be hypocrites. The ones that don't work though are hindering our already ailing economy putting a strain on our overcrowded welfare system. I watched the primetime a few weeks ago about social welfare cheats and i think we need to put more resources into tackling that problem and speeding up the process of dealing with asylum seekers.
I also do think that before we start taking in any more asylum seekers, we should start tackling our own problems like the homeless, drug problems, crime etc and then we can start helping others. The phrase "charity begins at home" springs to mind.....JMO.
I also do think that before we start taking in any more asylum seekers, we should start tackling our own problems like the homeless, drug problems, crime etc and then we can start helping others. The phrase "charity begins at home" springs to mind.....JMO.
AmandaLuvsU: I agree with you 100% the good times are gone and its time to look after our own, We don`t owe anything to illegal immigrants so wh should we be expected to fork out money for this and money for that, They should all be rounded up bundled into a container and shipped off home
What a xenophobic post!
But I trust you were joking!! When Ireland became part of the EU, because it wanted to soak up the benefits, then it had to realise the possible drawbacks too, as in more open borders??
Keeneland: Only a small amount are housed in Mosney. We have thousand of illigals in the country and we don't have thousands of mosneys. A lot a housed in Hotels, Houses and B&B's costing the government huge money. They also get clothed, fed, bills paid and get basically 20 euro spending money a week. They receive allowances for cars and a lot of other items. To say the don't get welfare is untrue because the welfare pays for all of this.
I agree that the system is too slow in dealing with them and it should be a lot faster. The legal fees for their immigration requests are also astronomical. I am not saying that we just send them home, i am saying we have to speed up the process so those that can stay can start their life here and those that have no right to stay should be sent home.
The present laws are costing the tax payer a fortune between legal bills and all the costs of keeping these people.
I agree that the system is too slow in dealing with them and it should be a lot faster. The legal fees for their immigration requests are also astronomical. I am not saying that we just send them home, i am saying we have to speed up the process so those that can stay can start their life here and those that have no right to stay should be sent home.
The present laws are costing the tax payer a fortune between legal bills and all the costs of keeping these people.
I totally agree with this bit, Keen..
The system should be sharpened up so that decisions are made, yay or nay, much quicker so that the burden in the meantime on the State can be cut considerably..
nitak: Yes its the system thats the problem not the people as some are genuine and yes there are others who arnt.
They are housed all around but they are not entitled to allowances especially as you mentioned earliar for cars?
The reality is though some of these places arnt run very well and your basically controlled as to everything you do! and to live like that for yrs i think its disgracful either send them back or let them stay but 2 remain in limbo for so long?
Now i wud hate to be a parent at this time of year on 20e trying to get some stuff for my kids so they cud have a resonable xmas after all its not there fault!
They are housed all around but they are not entitled to allowances especially as you mentioned earliar for cars?
The reality is though some of these places arnt run very well and your basically controlled as to everything you do! and to live like that for yrs i think its disgracful either send them back or let them stay but 2 remain in limbo for so long?
Now i wud hate to be a parent at this time of year on 20e trying to get some stuff for my kids so they cud have a resonable xmas after all its not there fault!
Are they not entitled to welfare once they have been here 2 years? Also are large families not given a lump sum towards a car if it is needed due to their location?
There are plenty of Irish families who would love to have all their bills paid and have 20 euro for each adult as spending money every week. Do you know the figures on how many get to stay in the country? I was reading a lot on it recently but the figures stated may be wrong.
Keeneland: Are they not entitled to welfare once they have been here 2 years? Also are large families not given a lump sum towards a car if it is needed due to their location?
There are plenty of Irish families who would love to have all their bills paid and have 20 euro for each adult as spending money every week. Do you know the figures on how many get to stay in the country? I was reading a lot on it recently but the figures stated may be wrong.
There are plenty of Irish families who would love to have all their bills paid and have 20 euro for each adult as spending money every week. Do you know the figures on how many get to stay in the country? I was reading a lot on it recently but the figures stated may be wrong.
No they have to have a certain stamp i think its 4 and satisfy the habitual residence that is 2 be here more than 2 yrs.
Jeeze wud ya manage on 20 e what if they didnt give ya enuf to eat and u were feeling hungry? or 2 always have to say no to a child for the least thing, i kno i couldnt live on it anyway
As far as I can ascertain, this is the problem with the EU, as opposed to countries like the USA, Australia and Canada. The countries that decided to enter the EU, because all they could see were the BENEFITS, are now having to deal with the DISADVANTAGES - as in open borders and large amounts of immigrants coming in and being able to claim that country's benefits. You cant take the good without the bad..
As much as the systems in the US and the other countries I mentioned are expensive, time consuming and frustrating, at least they have this going for them: while one is waiting for one's immigration status to be confirmed, they have to be sponsored by a citizen of that country, so that means that they are not a financial drain on the state. That makes sense to me, although it is hard.
If alot of the EU countries had not jumped head first into joining the Union, and thought a little further ahead, then they might have been able to adopot this system as well.
As much as the systems in the US and the other countries I mentioned are expensive, time consuming and frustrating, at least they have this going for them: while one is waiting for one's immigration status to be confirmed, they have to be sponsored by a citizen of that country, so that means that they are not a financial drain on the state. That makes sense to me, although it is hard.
If alot of the EU countries had not jumped head first into joining the Union, and thought a little further ahead, then they might have been able to adopot this system as well.
Keeneland: The government don't care about the homeless. It's disgracefull that in this day and age we let people live on the streets. With all the money the government wasted they could have built halfway houses and hostels for the homeless.
A lot are mentally ill also and it's a disgrace that we let these people suffer just because they don't have a roof over their head. It's barbaric when you think about it. They don't vote so the government doesn't care.
A lot are mentally ill also and it's a disgrace that we let these people suffer just because they don't have a roof over their head. It's barbaric when you think about it. They don't vote so the government doesn't care.
Well said
DUBLINGUY1973: Thats true. It can help the country but i do think we got a bit carried away. During the celtic tiger period, foreign nationals came in and did the jobs that most irish thought they were too good for so i say fair play to them. Now we are in a recession, irish people are lucky if they get jobs like that now. It really puts things into perspective in my opinion.
ogdensburgbabe: Again, if a US/Canadian/Aussie system was in place, then this would not be an issue. NO ONE, with a criminal record, or anyone that committed a crime whilst awaiting their immigration papers is allowed to stay in the country..
Makes perfect sense to me..
Makes perfect sense to me..
Me too
ogdensburgbabe: Again, if a US/Canadian/Aussie system was in place, then this would not be an issue. NO ONE, with a criminal record, or anyone that committed a crime whilst awaiting their immigration papers is allowed to stay in the country..
Makes perfect sense to me..
Makes perfect sense to me..
Its the same here. But you have to prove they committed the crime first. When or if they are find guilty there is always the question should they be deported?
If you deport them it is likely they will be not locked up in their native country thus leaving them free to travel to another EU country illegially in the future. If they comite a crime here and are found guilty i would make them serve their time and then deport them. JMOKeeneland: I know i am probably opening a can of worms here but i was wondering what everyone though about the illegal immigrant sitituation in Ireland today.
At the moment only 87.4% of out population is Irish. The majority of the 12.6% non Irish people are legal immigrants but there are a huge number of people here illegally. From when a person arrives illegally it can take up to 10 years before they are sent home because of all the red tape and appeals processes.
While here they are receiving welfare, housing, child benefit and all other allowance dues to Irish Nationals and also some extra allowences like a an allowance to buy a car.
Personally i think the world is getting smaller day by day and i believe immigration can help a counrty. I also believe we have a duty of care to protect people from countries who may be persecuated or killed if sent home.
But i think we have to balance this with the fact that we can't afford economic and financial illegal immigrants, especially in the current economic climate. I think we should bring in new laws to remove a lot of the red tape and hurry up the appeals processes so anyone who is here illigally can be ssent home as soon as possible. Is this wrong of me?
At the moment only 87.4% of out population is Irish. The majority of the 12.6% non Irish people are legal immigrants but there are a huge number of people here illegally. From when a person arrives illegally it can take up to 10 years before they are sent home because of all the red tape and appeals processes.
While here they are receiving welfare, housing, child benefit and all other allowance dues to Irish Nationals and also some extra allowences like a an allowance to buy a car.
Personally i think the world is getting smaller day by day and i believe immigration can help a counrty. I also believe we have a duty of care to protect people from countries who may be persecuated or killed if sent home.
But i think we have to balance this with the fact that we can't afford economic and financial illegal immigrants, especially in the current economic climate. I think we should bring in new laws to remove a lot of the red tape and hurry up the appeals processes so anyone who is here illigally can be ssent home as soon as possible. Is this wrong of me?
anyone here illegally, send the lot of them to siberia.. and every african and asian should be means tested also, i say get rid of the lot of em..we would not be too welcome in their country if we had no work..
robpacciani: anyone here illegally, send the lot of them to siberia.. and every african and asian should be means tested also, i say get rid of the lot of em..we would not be too welcome in their country if we had no work..
Hows is going Rob? Did you manage to get out of Killybegs?
Keeneland: Hows is going Rob? Did you manage to get out of Killybegs?
howdy keeneland.. yeah i got out of killybegs, travelled to the bure's house to spend a night.. her house is up a mountain, and i cant get out at the moment..
a foot of snow here so looks like ill be here for the christmas... ill have to get meself a jeep, or else snow tyres for the audi we should never have let any refugees in as far as im concerned their all illegal, i thought you had to claim asylum in the first country you arrived in after you left your own country, i have no problem with people coming to ireland to work like the philipino and eastern europeans have done, but free loaders no way
robpacciani: howdy keeneland.. yeah i got out of killybegs, travelled to the bure's house to spend a night.. her house is up a mountain, and i cant get out at the moment.. a foot of snow here so looks like ill be here for the christmas... ill have to get meself a jeep, or else snow tyres for the audi
Get some snow chains and mountaineering equipement Rob.
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At the moment only 87.4% of out population is Irish. The majority of the 12.6% non Irish people are legal immigrants but there are a huge number of people here illegally. From when a person arrives illegally it can take up to 10 years before they are sent home because of all the red tape and appeals processes.
While here they are receiving welfare, housing, child benefit and all other allowance dues to Irish Nationals and also some extra allowences like a an allowance to buy a car.
Personally i think the world is getting smaller day by day and i believe immigration can help a counrty. I also believe we have a duty of care to protect people from countries who may be persecuated or killed if sent home.
But i think we have to balance this with the fact that we can't afford economic and financial illegal immigrants, especially in the current economic climate. I think we should bring in new laws to remove a lot of the red tape and hurry up the appeals processes so anyone who is here illigally can be ssent home as soon as possible. Is this wrong of me?