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Jan 25, 2010 12:40 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,516 Posts
Good morning everybody. I need some assistance ASAP--we have a proposal in town to ban cigarette smoking in public parks. Though I no longer smoke (2 months + now), I am against such laws and statutes, as I feel they go too far. This is not an attempt to argue the point; I simply need some help in finding out if there have been any towns, cities in recent times that actually REJECTED such a proposal, so I can give a solid, opposing view. Please help if you can--(I'm not very savvy on finding out these kinds of things, that's why I need your help.)
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Jan 25, 2010 12:45 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
adamisk
adamiskadamiskraleigh, Mississippi USA34 Threads 4 Polls 1,325 Posts
you live in america yes ? land of the free yes ? is banning smoking in public parks a new form of freedom ?
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Jan 25, 2010 12:46 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
Steve5721
Steve5721Steve5721La Zenia, Murcia Spain72 Threads 2 Polls 4,564 Posts
adamisk: you live in america yes ? land of the free yes ? is banning smoking in public parks a new form of freedom ?


Nope...just frigging stupid.
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Jan 25, 2010 12:51 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
rohaan: Good morning everybody. I need some assistance ASAP--we have a proposal in town to ban cigarette smoking in public parks. Though I no longer smoke (2 months + now), I am against such laws and statutes, as I feel they go too far. This is not an attempt to argue the point; I simply need some help in finding out if there have been any towns, cities in recent times that actually REJECTED such a proposal, so I can give a solid, opposing view. Please help if you can--(I'm not very savvy on finding out these kinds of things, that's why I need your help.)
well rohaan ,they have banned smoking here long time from public places,pubs restrants ,ect but the park thats another issue,silly really
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Jan 25, 2010 12:57 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
Gothicsdream
GothicsdreamGothicsdreamTyler, Texas USA1 Posts
Well there ain't no public smoking here now been like that since last year wish to god it wasn't :(
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Jan 25, 2010 1:03 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
sindhiboy
sindhiboysindhiboyBeautiful area of rural sindh, Sindh Pakistan49 Threads 4 Polls 889 Posts
rohaan: Good morning everybody. I need some assistance ASAP--we have a proposal in town to ban cigarette smoking in public parks. Though I no longer smoke (2 months + now), I am against such laws and statutes, as I feel they go too far. This is not an attempt to argue the point; I simply need some help in finding out if there have been any towns, cities in recent times that actually REJECTED such a proposal, so I can give a solid, opposing view. Please help if you can--(I'm not very savvy on finding out these kinds of things, that's why I need your help.)
Good morning Rohaan,Yes our peoples reject it,govt banned to smoke in the public places but the peoples reject it.wine
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Jan 25, 2010 1:34 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
rohaan: Good morning everybody. I need some assistance ASAP--we have a proposal in town to ban cigarette smoking in public parks. Though I no longer smoke (2 months + now), I am against such laws and statutes, as I feel they go too far. This is not an attempt to argue the point; I simply need some help in finding out if there have been any towns, cities in recent times that actually REJECTED such a proposal, so I can give a solid, opposing view. Please help if you can--(I'm not very savvy on finding out these kinds of things, that's why I need your help.)


Ive just found this organisation Rohann, maybe you will find some advice from them.......

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Jan 25, 2010 1:58 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
adamisk
adamiskadamiskraleigh, Mississippi USA34 Threads 4 Polls 1,325 Posts
i have almost kicked the habit still take a puff every now and then so it's kindof a non issue with me but i can argue on the point of a lot of things are made illegal everyday our freedoms are slowly being taken away one little peace at a time just think in 100 years you will not be able to fart in public .
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Jan 25, 2010 2:08 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,516 Posts
trish123: Ive just found this organisation Rohann, maybe you will find some advice from them.......

thank you. It is quite extensive; many of the "sites" are not obtainable from where I'm at (just aren't) but still lots and lots of useful information. Here's what I'm trying to get across, or will be trying to get across: IT'S NOT ABOUT SMOKING!! Get it? It's about creating a situation that makes people lawbreakers who AREN'T! Honestly, if there's one thing I want everyone to know, it's that! How many of you understand this? Criminalizing a United States citizen for smoking a cigarette outdoors is absolutely, positively in direct conflict with our ideals here. Certainly any reasonably educated person knows there are far more toxins in the outside air than a few people smoking a cigarette! It is NOT about smoking!!!
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Jan 25, 2010 2:59 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
wildkitty
wildkittywildkittymt.view, Oklahoma USA34 Threads 1 Polls 1,308 Posts
rohaan: thank you. It is quite extensive; many of the "sites" are not obtainable from where I'm at (just aren't) but still lots and lots of useful information. Here's what I'm trying to get across, or will be trying to get across: IT'S NOT ABOUT SMOKING!! Get it? It's about creating a situation that makes people lawbreakers who AREN'T! Honestly, if there's one thing I want everyone to know, it's that! How many of you understand this? Criminalizing a United States citizen for smoking a cigarette outdoors is absolutely, positively in direct conflict with our ideals here. Certainly any reasonably educated person knows there are far more toxins in the outside air than a few people smoking a cigarette! It is NOT about smoking!!!
thats what i think too. thumbs up they passed a law too as long as their is a child under 18 in a vehicle too that ya can't smoke. i say its my car i will smoke in it if i want too. of course if my kid doesn't want to be around the cig. smoke i wait until i can be outside. but just think if they pass it to your not allowed to smoke in your own vehicle . its just stupid. thumbs up
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Jan 25, 2010 3:05 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
laura139
laura139laura139Broomfield, Colorado USA11 Threads 1 Polls 668 Posts
Wow, that's taking away what little rights we have left. I've quit smoking now for 12 days, but I wouldn't want to stop anyone from smoking. There is a little bar down the street that you can still smoke in. I used to go in there alot. Air is free, parks and streets are public for all. Maybe we can start stopping people from coming into certain towns and cities that don't allow smoking, and see who survives the best when it comes to business? Just because you ban smoking isn't going to stop someone from dying a different way, or get a different illness not related to smoking. Are our choices being ripped away from us as well, and we just aren't paying attention? You're right
"land of the free?"dunno confused What about all the foods that are produced that contain cancer causing agents or meds? Why are they allowed????????dunno confused
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Jan 25, 2010 3:14 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
bohdiprana
bohdipranabohdipranaLondon, Ontario Canada32 Threads 1,493 Posts
rohaan: thank you. It is quite extensive; many of the "sites" are not obtainable from where I'm at (just aren't) but still lots and lots of useful information. Here's what I'm trying to get across, or will be trying to get across: IT'S NOT ABOUT SMOKING!! Get it? It's about creating a situation that makes people lawbreakers who AREN'T! Honestly, if there's one thing I want everyone to know, it's that! How many of you understand this? Criminalizing a United States citizen for smoking a cigarette outdoors is absolutely, positively in direct conflict with our ideals here. Certainly any reasonably educated person knows there are far more toxins in the outside air than a few people smoking a cigarette! It is NOT about smoking!!!


They need a lot of people to fill up all those fema camps they're building. laugh


I wonder why they don't ban fossil fuel and chemical companies who are filling our atmosphere/land/water with ten times the amount of toxic BS. Tow wrongs don't make a right, but... when legislators have special interest, the result is pick on the little guy, not themselves.


laugh wave
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Jan 25, 2010 3:25 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
rohaan: thank you. It is quite extensive; many of the "sites" are not obtainable from where I'm at (just aren't) but still lots and lots of useful information. Here's what I'm trying to get across, or will be trying to get across: IT'S NOT ABOUT SMOKING!! Get it? It's about creating a situation that makes people lawbreakers who AREN'T! Honestly, if there's one thing I want everyone to know, it's that! How many of you understand this? Criminalizing a United States citizen for smoking a cigarette outdoors is absolutely, positively in direct conflict with our ideals here. Certainly any reasonably educated person knows there are far more toxins in the outside air than a few people smoking a cigarette! It is NOT about smoking!!!


Good, Im glad you found it useful thumbs up
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Jan 25, 2010 10:41 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
adamisk: you live in america yes ? land of the free yes ? is banning smoking in public parks a new form of freedom ?


Well, it could be viewed as protecting a person's right to enjoy the park without having to breath someone else's smoke.

Personally I never smoked tobacco, but it doesn't bother me that others smoke as long as It's outside.
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Jan 25, 2010 10:58 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
kanokwan
kanokwankanokwanPetchabun, Northern Thailand Thailand4 Threads 1 Polls 1,984 Posts
In response to: Good morning everybody. I need some assistance ASAP--we have a proposal in town to ban cigarette smoking in public parks. Though I no longer smoke (2 months + now), I am against such laws and statutes, as I feel they go too far. This is not an attempt to argue the point; I simply need some help in finding out if there have been any towns, cities in recent times that actually REJECTED such a proposal, so I can give a solid, opposing view. Please help if you can--(I'm not very savvy on finding out these kinds of things, that's why I need your help.)
Sawadee ka,I am non smoker all my life,BUT i disagree with having to restrict smokers as lepers in your society today.The so called 'Land of the free'may sound nice to tune of many ears there but is nothing but that anymore & NEVER will beconversing
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Jan 25, 2010 10:59 PM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
rohaan: IT'S NOT ABOUT SMOKING!! Get it? It's about creating a situation that makes people lawbreakers who AREN'T!


Soon they'll be doing the same thing to people who burn wood in their fireplaces.
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Feb 10, 2010 10:38 AM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
seekingHairygirl
seekingHairygirlseekingHairygirlCorpus Christi, Texas USA4 Posts
In Arlington, Texas there are certain restaurants that still all ow you to smoke. The smoking ban that has occurred to impose us all to quit with the high costs along with the Texas tax and then telling us where we can smoke and can't is just the beginning.

A year and half ago while I was living in Ohio their smoking ban was approved. And you could not smoke any where suck as zoo's amusement parks, and had to stay back 20 feet from any opening door. They were talking about putting a smoking ban on public side walks as well saying you could not smoke while walking down the side walk.

To think they had the cigarette police aka Health Department out to catch violators so they could ticket them and fine them is messed up.

Then to top this off, they went after the business, saying you could not smoke in the parking lot, many companys had you drive down the road before you could lite up, then they went after the truck drivers, saying if you did not own your truck and you was smoking you were violating the law.

Land of the free is not the case anymore it is the Gov wants to regulate and imprison us in our own country as there only purpose to be in office is to protect us not make us fear them. They should fear us.

Texas use to allow you to bring back a certain amount of cigarette from Mexico since I suppose the tax hike that has took place they have limited that amount to 1 carton per 30 days along of course the duty free tax that it cost to bring that one carton back into the US (15 dollar tax).

For you smokers out there that are paying $4-5 dollars a pack and some odd $50 dollars for a carton in Texas it can and most likly will get worce. Think about what New York smokers are paying onward to $9-10+ dollars a pack, and $70 dollars a carton.
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Feb 10, 2010 11:15 AM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
OUTRAGEOUS
OUTRAGEOUSOUTRAGEOUSPanama, Panama44 Threads 1 Polls 1,768 Posts
Well, I understand your point. But also, we need to understand that 'rights' goes both ways. I have a right to smoke if I want, but my neighbor has a right to clean air as well.

Smokers are being punished a lot. The taxes on cigarretes is higher than the taxes you pay for booze, and booze kills more people indirectly than second hand smoke.

So, if smoking in public is banned, because of the second hand smoke, then cars shouldn't be allowed to circulate either, because of the pollution caused.

It is a circle and it will be very difficult to reach a point were everybody is satisfied.

I have recently stopped buying cigarretes as the price went from $1.50 a pack to $3.50...so I won't buy cigarretes in principle, but I'll bum one every once in a while...I wasn't a heavy smoker. For those of you used to pay $6 for a pack of cigs my prices might seem silly, or cheap. But when you compare our salaries and income per capita, you realize that it is a big increase.

Wish you luck, and keep us posted. thumbs up
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Feb 10, 2010 11:43 AM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
openchick
openchickopenchickPetawawa, Ontario Canada102 Posts
wildkitty: thats what i think too. they passed a law too as long as their is a child under 18 in a vehicle too that ya can't smoke. i say its my car i will smoke in it if i want too. of course if my kid doesn't want to be around the cig. smoke i wait until i can be outside. but just think if they pass it to your not allowed to smoke in your own vehicle . its just stupid.


Ummm, you think it is ok to smoke whith your kids in the car?

I think it is stupid to tell people that they can't smoke in public parks though. But kids shouldn't be around that even if they think it is ok, they are not old enough to choose that sort of thing.

I am NOT trying to say that you are a bad mom, please don't take it that way. I am just curious about your position.
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Feb 10, 2010 11:46 AM CST Gonna try with a little help from my friends
openchick
openchickopenchickPetawawa, Ontario Canada102 Posts
OUTRAGEOUS: Well, I understand your point. But also, we need to understand that 'rights' goes both ways. I have a right to smoke if I want, but my neighbor has a right to clean air as well.

Smokers are being punished a lot. The taxes on cigarretes is higher than the taxes you pay for booze, and booze kills more people indirectly than second hand smoke.

So, if smoking in public is banned, because of the second hand smoke, then cars shouldn't be allowed to circulate either, because of the pollution caused.

It is a circle and it will be very difficult to reach a point were everybody is satisfied.

I have recently stopped buying cigarretes as the price went from $1.50 a pack to $3.50...so I won't buy cigarretes in principle, but I'll bum one every once in a while...I wasn't a heavy smoker. For those of you used to pay $6 for a pack of cigs my prices might seem silly, or cheap. But when you compare our salaries and income per capita, you realize that it is a big increase.

Wish you luck, and keep us posted.


3.50?? WOW in Canada they are clsoe to 10$.
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