rossidannyOPWinsford, Cheshire, England UK90 posts
I am an English man living in the north of Spain, and I have been here just under 6 months, and my Spanish is well far from being anywhere near perfect. I try everything that I can do to improve, I have Spanish classes twice a week, and I try to communicate with Spanish people with in the city and my area. Sometimes I think that some days I great and speaking and understanding people in Spanish and see improvements, and then there are others days where there is no Spanish in me and when Spanish people are speaking to me, I´m thinking what the hell are you saying. There is ment to be a reputation that us English people are a little lazy when it comes to learning a second language, but not me he he!
Phoenix is right. In Asia they call that "going to bed with the book". And it's the best way to learn a language.
As to how long it will take to become "fluent" that depends on a lot of different things.
If the target language is similar to your native language, or if it is a simple language, you should be able to pick it up quickly and be fluent in a few years. But if the language is very different and difficult, true fluency can take many years.
Just as an example.
English speakers can usually speak pretty good Indonesian after just a year in the country. Pronunciation and grammar rules are easy and it's written in western characters.
But the same people would take many years to learn to speak fluent Japanese.
Although Japanese pronunciation is easy, its grammar is very different from English and is fairly complicated. Japanese writing has no resemblance to western characters, and the social rules that govern language are especially difficult to learn.
One might learn to "get by" in Japan in a few months of hard study, but true "fluency" would take many years for most westerners, and there is almost no way a western adult could ever learn Japanese well enough to pass for a Japanese on the telephone.
It's difficult for Japanese to learn English too, but a little easier because the anglophone culture is more tolerant of mistakes and doesn't put as much pressure on the speaker to be "perfect".
rossidanny: I am an English man living in the north of Spain, and I have been here just under 6 months, and my Spanish is well far from being anywhere near perfect. I try everything that I can do to improve, I have Spanish classes twice a week, and I try to communicate with Spanish people with in the city and my area. Sometimes I think that some days I great and speaking and understanding people in Spanish and see improvements, and then there are others days where there is no Spanish in me and when Spanish people are speaking to me, I´m thinking what the hell are you saying. There is ment to be a reputation that us English people are a little lazy when it comes to learning a second language, but not me he he!
I speak (almost) fluent German but there are some dialects that I don't undertand, especially those from the Black Forest region. I imagine that will be the same over here?
I have yet to start learning, but sadly I live where 90% are ex-pats..all the bars are run by ex-pats, customers are ex-pats.
There's only one thing you can do : practice Spanish at every single time. Have grammar books, dictionaries with you. Read them. people will see you're doing efforts and will help you (at least I hope)
Watch subtitles programs if you can.
Learning another language is not an easy thing (well it is for some other people but not for me) but that's such an amazing experience.
Use a website like badoo.com, write you're looking for people to help you with your Spanish. I'm sure some will do.
WhovianGeneva: There's only one thing you can do : practice Spanish at every single time. Have grammar books, dictionaries with you. Read them. people will see you're doing efforts and will help you (at least I hope)
Watch subtitles programs if you can.
Learning another language is not an easy thing (well it is for some other people but not for me) but that's such an amazing experience.
Use a website like badoo.com, write you're looking for people to help you with your Spanish. I'm sure some will do.
And well, a girlfriend can help too .....Good Luck.
rossidanny: I am an English man living in the north of Spain, and I have been here just under 6 months, and my Spanish is well far from being anywhere near perfect. I try everything that I can do to improve, I have Spanish classes twice a week, and I try to communicate with Spanish people with in the city and my area. Sometimes I think that some days I great and speaking and understanding people in Spanish and see improvements, and then there are others days where there is no Spanish in me and when Spanish people are speaking to me, I´m thinking what the hell are you saying. There is ment to be a reputation that us English people are a little lazy when it comes to learning a second language, but not me he he!
Really depends from person and ability to learn foreign languages. I can speak perfect English when im drunk and not that good when sober so
You practice at least 30 min every day to maintain your knowledge of a foreign language.
You practice more than 30 min to learn more than you already can.
And then you choose what you’d practice in: pronunciation or grammar. Usually you need both…
I’m fluent in Swedish though I speak with an apparent accent. And I’ve noticed that it’s easier for me to talk on the phone than to a person. It depends on the counterpart’s reaction: if I feel that the person is disposed to me negatively then my pronunciation gets very bad. If I feel that the person is friendly than it goes very good. Strange, isn’t it?
rossidannyOPWinsford, Cheshire, England UK90 posts
Tulefel: A general 30 minutes rule:
You practice at least 30 min every day to maintain your knowledge of a foreign language.
You practice more than 30 min to learn more than you already can.
And then you choose what you’d practice in: pronunciation or grammar. Usually you need both…
I’m fluent in Swedish though I speak with an apparent accent. And I’ve noticed that it’s easier for me to talk on the phone than to a person. It depends on the counterpart’s reaction: if I feel that the person is disposed to me negatively then my pronunciation gets very bad. If I feel that the person is friendly than it goes very good. Strange, isn’t it?
The telephone thing is the same for me, I work on a campsite in north Spain, and sometimes there is no one about when the phone goes, so then I answer, and I seem to speak and understand people better on the phone than speaking to someone in person.
rossidanny: The telephone thing is the same for me, I work on a campsite in north Spain, and sometimes there is no one about when the phone goes, so then I answer, and I seem to speak and understand people better on the phone than speaking to someone in person.
Let me get this straight..You've no kids, never married, living and working on a campsite in Spain and you think you've got problems...Just ask a girl out...Use this logic ( if you ask the same Q enough times you should get the anwser you want)...So if you apply it to fit nubiles..ask 100..at least 30% will say yes and a good 10% will play snooker...
In response to: I am an English man living in the north of Spain, and I have been here just under 6 months, and my Spanish is well far from being anywhere near perfect.
I know it's about english students getting pissed but that means there Spainish blokes around out sniffin'...Means their fit nubiles are alone..Get tthe pic..
rossidanny: The telephone thing is the same for me, I work on a campsite in north Spain, and sometimes there is no one about when the phone goes, so then I answer, and I seem to speak and understand people better on the phone than speaking to someone in person.
Are you a bit shy ? It could make thing a bit more difficult when you come to speak face-to-face to somebody.
CEFR (Common European Framework Reference for Languages) gives a rough guide to how many hours of study a learner will need to undertake to attain a certain level. The levels and hours are as follows:-
Depressing? Even these hours are approximate, and a lot stil depends on age, previous language learning background, intensity of study (eg one hourly class per week just won´t get you at the level you want quickly), how much you study outside the classroom, and finally exposure to the target language.
You have full exposure living in Spain so that´s a bonus. If you can´t afford lessons or don´t have the time, try inter-cambio with Spanish people, or check out the numerous interactive, free online courses. Watch movies in Spanish with English sub-titles, better still if you´re level is still basic, watch the cartoons! Keep the radio on if you can whilst you´re working....
If all else fails, get yourself a girlfriend pronto!!
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Sometimes I think that some days I great and speaking and understanding people in Spanish and see improvements, and then there are others days where there is no Spanish in me and when Spanish people are speaking to me, I´m thinking what the hell are you saying. There is ment to be a reputation that us English people are a little lazy when it comes to learning a second language, but not me he he!