Peace Between Israel and Palestine (15)
did this come from bill clintons note book ??... 
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not done yet. this has merit
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UN/Israeli and Palestinian Surveyors take the '67 borders and mark them out in detail. Real estate agents come in and assign each piece of Palestinian land's value with,and without a building on it.
The PA then charges fair rent to the occupied land and Israel collects it. The PA can either distribute the monies to the people or, save it. In any case, if an Israeli wishes to buy the land itself, the price is 30% more than the market in order to discourage the purchase.
Any unoccupied land can be either sold at market or, retained over time as future land for the country of Palestine. The advantage is, with this method, Palestinians get results now and, Israel gets results now and, Palestinians have the opportunity to buy the homes which are left by the settlers from the monies gained from the rent of other lands.
The PA then charges fair rent to the occupied land and Israel collects it. The PA can either distribute the monies to the people or, save it. In any case, if an Israeli wishes to buy the land itself, the price is 30% more than the market in order to discourage the purchase.
Any unoccupied land can be either sold at market or, retained over time as future land for the country of Palestine. The advantage is, with this method, Palestinians get results now and, Israel gets results now and, Palestinians have the opportunity to buy the homes which are left by the settlers from the monies gained from the rent of other lands.
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One important point, and difficult one, both parties should make an effort to "forget" old aggressions, israel has been target of thousands of rockets and bombings, Palestinians face every day humiliations and abuses at check points, at their own homes and even in their "normal" daily life. Both parties should as a good will demonstration stop those behaviors which only add fuel to the fire. Using the national security card as an excuse to limit Palestinians movement to work, schools, hospitals, shopping, ect will always create anger and desires to get even, and threatening civilians life's in search of political benefits it's called terrorism.
I believe the best mediators are the interested parts themselves, if the UN comes with a resolution stating the limits of Palestine and israel, both parts should accept with no excuses or further delays, start building and developing their country without any kind of disturbance to their neighbors, israel should remove the fences, walls, check points and settlements from the part granted to Palestine, and Palestinians must stop any kind of interference with israel's civilians and army.
After that is done, the first ho starts breaking the agreement must be isolated from the international community.
I believe the best mediators are the interested parts themselves, if the UN comes with a resolution stating the limits of Palestine and israel, both parts should accept with no excuses or further delays, start building and developing their country without any kind of disturbance to their neighbors, israel should remove the fences, walls, check points and settlements from the part granted to Palestine, and Palestinians must stop any kind of interference with israel's civilians and army.
After that is done, the first ho starts breaking the agreement must be isolated from the international community.
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With the flow of cash coming in, the elected government of Palestine enjoys popularity and thus, will enforce the security arrangements of the agreement. This includes;
- no hostile actions
- turnover of all weapons and destructive devices
- arrest and public trials of any illegal actions
- banning of any paramilitary organizations
Any non compliance of these results in a penalty of a percentage of the rents which would be payable to the mediator who can assign the monies to whomever at a set date years in the future.
As time goes on, the PA will wish to take thee monies and buy homes or occupy land that is unoccupied. As per the agreement, if a certain amount of time has passed with no hostilities then some land may be occupied providing houses are bought, rented (a reversal of the land rental as the money is paid now to Israelis) or, built to code. In this way, there will be no sudden influx of millions of Palestinians as there simply isn't enough money and time has to take it's course.
Once Palestinians begin to move into Israel, they have to be observed and, protected. With this in mind, a security force composed of three parts will be formed. One part Israeli, Palestinian and UN. All are schooled with the same instructions, standards and SOPs and all will be represented in that ratio when called on or simply on patrol.
At this point, there may be sabotage by fringe elements or, even terror attacks with the disruption of the plan in mind so, a common penalty for those who do such things is applied. As well, if for example a home in Palestine is destroyed, the money to rebuild it is taken from the other side however, only half will be provided to the Palestinians for that purpose with the remainder held by the mediator. In this way, nobody gets profit or political points from vandalism or destruction.
- no hostile actions
- turnover of all weapons and destructive devices
- arrest and public trials of any illegal actions
- banning of any paramilitary organizations
Any non compliance of these results in a penalty of a percentage of the rents which would be payable to the mediator who can assign the monies to whomever at a set date years in the future.
As time goes on, the PA will wish to take thee monies and buy homes or occupy land that is unoccupied. As per the agreement, if a certain amount of time has passed with no hostilities then some land may be occupied providing houses are bought, rented (a reversal of the land rental as the money is paid now to Israelis) or, built to code. In this way, there will be no sudden influx of millions of Palestinians as there simply isn't enough money and time has to take it's course.
Once Palestinians begin to move into Israel, they have to be observed and, protected. With this in mind, a security force composed of three parts will be formed. One part Israeli, Palestinian and UN. All are schooled with the same instructions, standards and SOPs and all will be represented in that ratio when called on or simply on patrol.
At this point, there may be sabotage by fringe elements or, even terror attacks with the disruption of the plan in mind so, a common penalty for those who do such things is applied. As well, if for example a home in Palestine is destroyed, the money to rebuild it is taken from the other side however, only half will be provided to the Palestinians for that purpose with the remainder held by the mediator. In this way, nobody gets profit or political points from vandalism or destruction.
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Albertaghost: not done yet. this has merit
I certainly congratulate you for a great proposal, it would take huge commitment and great efforts but if both parts seriously want to live in peace it would be worth to try.
Could this be proposed at a higher level?
Where do I sign?
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Albertaghost: I think it's possible. It would require a lot of work and, one hell of a lot of patience however, with huge amounts of compromises, I believe it is quite doable.
First step is to have a third party act as inter mediator and come up with the plan, present it to two stable governments and hash out the details to the satisfaction of both. This is probably the most difficult phase as there really is no stable government on the Palestinian side and, like Israeli factions, many in Palestine do not wish peace as they garner profit from the conflict. This part I leave to the winds to figure out in order to move on.
Second part is the explanation of the plan. Assuming two governments have agreed, comittees are formed on each side for the purpose of nothing but executing this endeavor. The problems and rewards are;
Problems;
- Israel holds the cards so, their security is their primary concdern. If they give up land, they lose security unless trust is established.
- Palestine holds no cards so, they wish land. Given their history of attacking Israel, they cannot have that land en masse as this would seriously threaten the existance of Israel should Palestine attack from those lands,even with captured or homemade weapons.
So, trust has to be built over time but, Palestinians are disillusioned, desperate, pissed off and left to resignation that nothing will ever happen and, without physical improvements will, as usual, revert back to terrorist tactics once they feel momentum has stalled.
So, to sum up this part, Israel cannot give up land right away and Palestine cannot occupy that land right away yet, trust has to be built but, improvements have to be shown to the people. Their life has to improve immediately.
First step is to have a third party act as inter mediator and come up with the plan, present it to two stable governments and hash out the details to the satisfaction of both. This is probably the most difficult phase as there really is no stable government on the Palestinian side and, like Israeli factions, many in Palestine do not wish peace as they garner profit from the conflict. This part I leave to the winds to figure out in order to move on.
Second part is the explanation of the plan. Assuming two governments have agreed, comittees are formed on each side for the purpose of nothing but executing this endeavor. The problems and rewards are;
Problems;
- Israel holds the cards so, their security is their primary concdern. If they give up land, they lose security unless trust is established.
- Palestine holds no cards so, they wish land. Given their history of attacking Israel, they cannot have that land en masse as this would seriously threaten the existance of Israel should Palestine attack from those lands,even with captured or homemade weapons.
So, trust has to be built over time but, Palestinians are disillusioned, desperate, pissed off and left to resignation that nothing will ever happen and, without physical improvements will, as usual, revert back to terrorist tactics once they feel momentum has stalled.
So, to sum up this part, Israel cannot give up land right away and Palestine cannot occupy that land right away yet, trust has to be built but, improvements have to be shown to the people. Their life has to improve immediately.
Why is it so important for any of us to be continually concerned about these two rivals ? Why not let em at each other and give em some fun for christ's sake ?
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So I suppose that covers the first couple of years or maybe even five or so. Some other conditions or considerations are;
- a heavy love campaign to pull the bone out of every-bodies head is placed on all media. Sort of like the anti smoking campaign designed to promote peace, love and crap. In other words, no Jew hating mice cartoons for kids. Promotion of the benefits of peace over and over and over .......
- Palestinians have no military, they do have a large consulate in Jerusalem along with homes for the staff sort of like the 'American Village' though. Later, maybe after ten or fifteen years they can claim Jerusalem as their capitol and assemble there. Any foreign dignitaries will be accompanied by the troika of security (PA/Is/UN) until otherwise changed.
- the country of Palestine still does not exist. Rather it is considered a province of Israel and, it's police are the troika, it's government is either the consulate or Gaza/West Bank however, they are moving back - in peace.
- as trust develops the wall loses it's purpose and, the land on either side is made available for development/rent/purchase or otherwise financial use. At this point, a decision has to be made whether to become their own country and duplicate services or, to just join Israel as a distinct society.
Myself, I believe it would be one and the same country as both their futures would be intertwined. The time line would be as I see it, if possible, 25 years or so.
- a heavy love campaign to pull the bone out of every-bodies head is placed on all media. Sort of like the anti smoking campaign designed to promote peace, love and crap. In other words, no Jew hating mice cartoons for kids. Promotion of the benefits of peace over and over and over .......
- Palestinians have no military, they do have a large consulate in Jerusalem along with homes for the staff sort of like the 'American Village' though. Later, maybe after ten or fifteen years they can claim Jerusalem as their capitol and assemble there. Any foreign dignitaries will be accompanied by the troika of security (PA/Is/UN) until otherwise changed.
- the country of Palestine still does not exist. Rather it is considered a province of Israel and, it's police are the troika, it's government is either the consulate or Gaza/West Bank however, they are moving back - in peace.
- as trust develops the wall loses it's purpose and, the land on either side is made available for development/rent/purchase or otherwise financial use. At this point, a decision has to be made whether to become their own country and duplicate services or, to just join Israel as a distinct society.
Myself, I believe it would be one and the same country as both their futures would be intertwined. The time line would be as I see it, if possible, 25 years or so.
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jvaski: Why is it so important for any of us to be continually concerned about these two rivals ? Why not let em at each other and give em some fun for christ's sake ?
Maybe we could all concentrate on the problems within our own countries ....and leave others to their own destiny ...
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Albertaghost: So I suppose that covers the first couple of years or maybe even five or so. Some other conditions or considerations are;
- a heavy love campaign to pull the bone out of every-bodies head is placed on all media. Sort of like the anti smoking campaign designed to promote peace, love and crap. In other words, no Jew hating mice cartoons for kids. Promotion of the benefits of peace over and over and over .......
- Palestinians have no military, they do have a large consulate in Jerusalem along with homes for the staff sort of like the 'American Village' though. Later, maybe after ten or fifteen years they can claim Jerusalem as their capitol and assemble there. Any foreign dignitaries will be accompanied by the troika of security (PA/Is/UN) until otherwise changed.
- the country of Palestine still does not exist. Rather it is considered a province of Israel and, it's police are the troika, it's government is either the consulate or Gaza/West Bank however, they are moving back - in peace.
- as trust develops the wall loses it's purpose and, the land on either side is made available for development/rent/purchase or otherwise financial use. At this point, a decision has to be made whether to become their own country and duplicate services or, to just join Israel as a distinct society.
Myself, I believe it would be one and the same country as both their futures would be intertwined. The time line would be as I see it, if possible, 25 years or so.
Doubt if we ever see a Solution like that in our Lifetime,but it would be doable,if you can find enough People of Goodwill on both sides!- a heavy love campaign to pull the bone out of every-bodies head is placed on all media. Sort of like the anti smoking campaign designed to promote peace, love and crap. In other words, no Jew hating mice cartoons for kids. Promotion of the benefits of peace over and over and over .......
- Palestinians have no military, they do have a large consulate in Jerusalem along with homes for the staff sort of like the 'American Village' though. Later, maybe after ten or fifteen years they can claim Jerusalem as their capitol and assemble there. Any foreign dignitaries will be accompanied by the troika of security (PA/Is/UN) until otherwise changed.
- the country of Palestine still does not exist. Rather it is considered a province of Israel and, it's police are the troika, it's government is either the consulate or Gaza/West Bank however, they are moving back - in peace.
- as trust develops the wall loses it's purpose and, the land on either side is made available for development/rent/purchase or otherwise financial use. At this point, a decision has to be made whether to become their own country and duplicate services or, to just join Israel as a distinct society.
Myself, I believe it would be one and the same country as both their futures would be intertwined. The time line would be as I see it, if possible, 25 years or so.
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Conrad73: Doubt if we ever see a Solution like that in our Lifetime,but it would be doable,if you can find enough People of Goodwill on both sides!
I concur. Israel has the land grab going on (who can blame them?)Palestine has hotheads who want power (who can blame them as nothing is going to happen anyhow) Israel has political parties bent on whatever approach to the problem vying for power and same on the Palestinian side. Peace groups of both peoples are minimized and the government of Israel has one prime purpose - to protect the tax base. On the Palestinian side it's scrambling to justify it's sorry existence by showing how they threw a stone at a tank.
I think the whole thing is that Palestinians have lost hope and, have had a**hole like Arafat giving them that hope for too long that violence is in their blood. Coupled with the hand wringing media who poo poo every deliberate death for an anti Israel slant the actions serve as a purpose even though Israel is beyond caring about world public opinion.
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jvaski: Seriously, why does everyone have such great concern for two countires who obviously hate each other and have war engrained in their very souls ?
Why can't other countries butt-out and let em be ?
It's really not off topic .........
Why can't other countries butt-out and let em be ?
It's really not off topic .........
like I said before , do you ever post anything that makes sense?
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The only solution is to get the palestinians out of Israel and support Israel and things will be hunky dory.
Don't worry about the Arabs. They will do what they've been doing all along.
Don't worry about the Arabs. They will do what they've been doing all along.
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Well Abbas just asked Obama to 'impose' peace in the middle east.
Says that the Moslem are tired of Washington run around.....he is tired? He should live in the US....there are 304m of us that are tired of the Washington run around.
Abbas says.....that if this was truely 'a high national security/interest for the US', we would be in there doing something about it. Were have I heard that before....Korea, Veit Nam, Panama, Lebanon, Somalia, and a few other notable places were bullets fly in the direction of Americans.
Looks like the Fatah party is getting its political advice from CS.
I read the title of the article....it was the same as a CS thread.
Am going.....OH MY.....they are using CS debates to get a homeland.
The poor Palestines are domed. It will never happen. There has not been a CS thread ever resolved without verbal bloodshed.
Well the ball is back in Washington's court. Obama plays mean game of slow ball control. Am sorry to say. 10 month to make the Afghan decision and 18 month on Obamacare. I would say that the Middle East peace process is starting at square one at this point. Give it a decade at this point.
President Obama has a envoy in the region. He is racking up more air miles in making trips from Israel to Syria....than Modonna has in her world wide tour. But I wish him well in a tough job. After getting an earful from Abbas....he know goes to have a face to face with Netahyanhu.
Well for him.....time for a study in Israeli nuclear option for Iran.....because sure as I sit here and write and you read this.....Israel is going to link Middle east peace to Iran.
You can bet you last dollar on that one. You got the best odds in Vegas to cover it.
Well all I can say....with the CS debate now going fully public with leaders of the main participants our spokespersons...we should get alot more attention here at CS in the coming day. Expect....NY Time, CNN, FOX, Time Magazine, and a few other notable media to be spending time in our threads.
If anyone sends them to the Obama threads of last falls....I recommend a summary CS court martial by the moderators. And a quick dispatch of CS justice as they are whipped from CS membership.
Says that the Moslem are tired of Washington run around.....he is tired? He should live in the US....there are 304m of us that are tired of the Washington run around.
Abbas says.....that if this was truely 'a high national security/interest for the US', we would be in there doing something about it. Were have I heard that before....Korea, Veit Nam, Panama, Lebanon, Somalia, and a few other notable places were bullets fly in the direction of Americans.
Looks like the Fatah party is getting its political advice from CS.
I read the title of the article....it was the same as a CS thread.
Am going.....OH MY.....they are using CS debates to get a homeland.
The poor Palestines are domed. It will never happen. There has not been a CS thread ever resolved without verbal bloodshed.
Well the ball is back in Washington's court. Obama plays mean game of slow ball control. Am sorry to say. 10 month to make the Afghan decision and 18 month on Obamacare. I would say that the Middle East peace process is starting at square one at this point. Give it a decade at this point.
President Obama has a envoy in the region. He is racking up more air miles in making trips from Israel to Syria....than Modonna has in her world wide tour. But I wish him well in a tough job. After getting an earful from Abbas....he know goes to have a face to face with Netahyanhu.
Well for him.....time for a study in Israeli nuclear option for Iran.....because sure as I sit here and write and you read this.....Israel is going to link Middle east peace to Iran.
You can bet you last dollar on that one. You got the best odds in Vegas to cover it.
Well all I can say....with the CS debate now going fully public with leaders of the main participants our spokespersons...we should get alot more attention here at CS in the coming day. Expect....NY Time, CNN, FOX, Time Magazine, and a few other notable media to be spending time in our threads.
If anyone sends them to the Obama threads of last falls....I recommend a summary CS court martial by the moderators. And a quick dispatch of CS justice as they are whipped from CS membership.
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First step is to have a third party act as inter mediator and come up with the plan, present it to two stable governments and hash out the details to the satisfaction of both. This is probably the most difficult phase as there really is no stable government on the Palestinian side and, like Israeli factions, many in Palestine do not wish peace as they garner profit from the conflict. This part I leave to the winds to figure out in order to move on.
Second part is the explanation of the plan. Assuming two governments have agreed, comittees are formed on each side for the purpose of nothing but executing this endeavor. The problems and rewards are;
Problems;
- Israel holds the cards so, their security is their primary concdern. If they give up land, they lose security unless trust is established.
- Palestine holds no cards so, they wish land. Given their history of attacking Israel, they cannot have that land en masse as this would seriously threaten the existance of Israel should Palestine attack from those lands,even with captured or homemade weapons.
So, trust has to be built over time but, Palestinians are disillusioned, desperate, pissed off and left to resignation that nothing will ever happen and, without physical improvements will, as usual, revert back to terrorist tactics once they feel momentum has stalled.
So, to sum up this part, Israel cannot give up land right away and Palestine cannot occupy that land right away yet, trust has to be built but, improvements have to be shown to the people. Their life has to improve immediately.