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Faithfulness: The fossils say what?First published:
Creation 4(4):33–38
March 1982
by Ken Ham
(Continuation)
Another area where modern evolutionists are changing direction concerns man’s position in the evolutionary scheme of things. Most people have the idea that evolution is an ‘onward, upward’ process. This idea comes from the many evolutionary books that use such terms as ‘the ladder’ of evolution and the man is the ‘pinnacle’ of this process. We see many diagrams of evolutionary ‘trees’ with man at the top. We are told evolution is a gradual change shaped by more or less directional processes.9 Man is usually shown to be the climax of this process as we have been led to believe by authors such as the following: ‘Sometime about 3,500 million years ago the evolution of life began. Some two million years or so ago, ape man began to evolve into Homo … Now man is recognizing that as that as he reshapes the world and replaces the relentless but stabilizing action of physical selection with a new, cultural evolution and inheritance, he is taking control of the future. Therein lies the climax of all the aeons, the epochs and the years.’10
Diagrams typical for this type of understanding of evolution are similar to the one above.
However, all this is revised or redirected in a new anti-creationist filmstrip series produced by evolutionists. In the teachers guide to the programme entitled Science Under Attack, we read:
‘One common misunderstanding is that evolution involves change “upwards” along some prearranged scale, but the concept includes no such idea. In terms of biology, evolution is simply the idea that species evolve, or change over time, into wholly different species. The question of whether this change is “upwards” or “downwards” is not only irrelevant, it is meaningless.’11
yep,Ken is a Ham indeed!Creation 4(4):33–38
March 1982
by Ken Ham
(Continuation)
Another area where modern evolutionists are changing direction concerns man’s position in the evolutionary scheme of things. Most people have the idea that evolution is an ‘onward, upward’ process. This idea comes from the many evolutionary books that use such terms as ‘the ladder’ of evolution and the man is the ‘pinnacle’ of this process. We see many diagrams of evolutionary ‘trees’ with man at the top. We are told evolution is a gradual change shaped by more or less directional processes.9 Man is usually shown to be the climax of this process as we have been led to believe by authors such as the following: ‘Sometime about 3,500 million years ago the evolution of life began. Some two million years or so ago, ape man began to evolve into Homo … Now man is recognizing that as that as he reshapes the world and replaces the relentless but stabilizing action of physical selection with a new, cultural evolution and inheritance, he is taking control of the future. Therein lies the climax of all the aeons, the epochs and the years.’10
Diagrams typical for this type of understanding of evolution are similar to the one above.
However, all this is revised or redirected in a new anti-creationist filmstrip series produced by evolutionists. In the teachers guide to the programme entitled Science Under Attack, we read:
‘One common misunderstanding is that evolution involves change “upwards” along some prearranged scale, but the concept includes no such idea. In terms of biology, evolution is simply the idea that species evolve, or change over time, into wholly different species. The question of whether this change is “upwards” or “downwards” is not only irrelevant, it is meaningless.’11
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wulfen: Don't tell me you seriously believed all that clap trap about dinosaurs going extinct because they didn't fit into noah's ark?
If you really do, then you're an even worst case scenario than I ever considered you before lady!
I suggest you do follow your own advice and start asking questions, but from REAL scientific and historical fact as opposed to the fairy tale mumbo jumbo that is currently affecting your brain in a truly negative way!
If your read my previous post in the way it should be understood, I was not saying dinosaurs didn't exist. Of course they existed, MILLIONS OF YEARS before the first human even evolved.
I was merely challenging you to see what sort of explanation you would come up with for the dinosaurs' existence, considering your preciuos little fairy tale book has failed to mention the dinos. By the way, contrary to 19th century belief, dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds, not lizards
I do have to say that this time you have managed to surprise me, since I didn't believe you were that daft as to believe dinosaurs existed with mankind, and got extinct because noah couldn't fit them into his ark.
I guess the T-Rex felt gutted because of that, but hey, how did the Plesiosaurs and other marine dinosaurs get extinct? Surely they could have swam since they were aquatic creatures.
Oh yeah, they probably got too naughty and god decided to punish them for raising the water levels above his intended divine will.
You know, people like you are actually a bit of a proof against evolution. No, don't jump with glee just yet. People like you are a sure proof that apart from evolving, humans can actually de-evolve too!
If you really do, then you're an even worst case scenario than I ever considered you before lady!
I suggest you do follow your own advice and start asking questions, but from REAL scientific and historical fact as opposed to the fairy tale mumbo jumbo that is currently affecting your brain in a truly negative way!
If your read my previous post in the way it should be understood, I was not saying dinosaurs didn't exist. Of course they existed, MILLIONS OF YEARS before the first human even evolved.
I was merely challenging you to see what sort of explanation you would come up with for the dinosaurs' existence, considering your preciuos little fairy tale book has failed to mention the dinos. By the way, contrary to 19th century belief, dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds, not lizards
I do have to say that this time you have managed to surprise me, since I didn't believe you were that daft as to believe dinosaurs existed with mankind, and got extinct because noah couldn't fit them into his ark.
I guess the T-Rex felt gutted because of that, but hey, how did the Plesiosaurs and other marine dinosaurs get extinct? Surely they could have swam since they were aquatic creatures.
Oh yeah, they probably got too naughty and god decided to punish them for raising the water levels above his intended divine will.
You know, people like you are actually a bit of a proof against evolution. No, don't jump with glee just yet. People like you are a sure proof that apart from evolving, humans can actually de-evolve too!
wulfen
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@ Faithfulness:
Where exactly in all that prattle you posted masquerading as articles did the author come up with a SINGLE point of evidence that fossils are not millions years old, and instead under 6000 years old, as your precious fairy tale book would have us believe?
By the way, in which point of genesis were the dinosaurs created?
Oh yeah, dinosaurs never existed, they were never on noah's ark right?
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wulfen: Don't tell me you seriously believed all that clap trap about dinosaurs going extinct because they didn't fit into noah's ark?
If you really do, then you're an even worst case scenario than I ever considered you before lady!
I suggest you do follow your own advice and start asking questions, but from REAL scientific and historical fact as opposed to the fairy tale mumbo jumbo that is currently affecting your brain in a truly negative way!
If your read my previous post in the way it should be understood, I was not saying dinosaurs didn't exist. Of course they existed, MILLIONS OF YEARS before the first human even evolved.
I was merely challenging you to see what sort of explanation you would come up with for the dinosaurs' existence, considering your preciuos little fairy tale book has failed to mention the dinos. By the way, contrary to 19th century belief, dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds, not lizards
I do have to say that this time you have managed to surprise me, since I didn't believe you were that daft as to believe dinosaurs existed with mankind, and got extinct because noah couldn't fit them into his ark.
I guess the T-Rex felt gutted because of that, but hey, how did the Plesiosaurs and other marine dinosaurs get extinct? Surely they could have swam since they were aquatic creatures.
Oh yeah, they probably got too naughty and god decided to punish them for raising the water levels above his intended divine will.
You know, people like you are actually a bit of a proof against evolution. No, don't jump with glee just yet. People like you are a sure proof that apart from evolving, humans can actually de-evolve too!
If you really do, then you're an even worst case scenario than I ever considered you before lady!
I suggest you do follow your own advice and start asking questions, but from REAL scientific and historical fact as opposed to the fairy tale mumbo jumbo that is currently affecting your brain in a truly negative way!
If your read my previous post in the way it should be understood, I was not saying dinosaurs didn't exist. Of course they existed, MILLIONS OF YEARS before the first human even evolved.
I was merely challenging you to see what sort of explanation you would come up with for the dinosaurs' existence, considering your preciuos little fairy tale book has failed to mention the dinos. By the way, contrary to 19th century belief, dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds, not lizards
I do have to say that this time you have managed to surprise me, since I didn't believe you were that daft as to believe dinosaurs existed with mankind, and got extinct because noah couldn't fit them into his ark.
I guess the T-Rex felt gutted because of that, but hey, how did the Plesiosaurs and other marine dinosaurs get extinct? Surely they could have swam since they were aquatic creatures.
Oh yeah, they probably got too naughty and god decided to punish them for raising the water levels above his intended divine will.
You know, people like you are actually a bit of a proof against evolution. No, don't jump with glee just yet. People like you are a sure proof that apart from evolving, humans can actually de-evolve too!
Do you have scientific proof either from and evolutionist or a creationist that humans de- evolve?
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wulfen: Don't tell me you seriously believed all that clap trap about dinosaurs going extinct because they didn't fit into noah's ark?
If you really do, then you're an even worst case scenario than I ever considered you before lady!
I suggest you do follow your own advice and start asking questions, but from REAL scientific and historical fact as opposed to the fairy tale mumbo jumbo that is currently affecting your brain in a truly negative way!
If your read my previous post in the way it should be understood, I was not saying dinosaurs didn't exist. Of course they existed, MILLIONS OF YEARS before the first human even evolved.
I was merely challenging you to see what sort of explanation you would come up with for the dinosaurs' existence, considering your preciuos little fairy tale book has failed to mention the dinos. By the way, contrary to 19th century belief, dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds, not lizards
I do have to say that this time you have managed to surprise me, since I didn't believe you were that daft as to believe dinosaurs existed with mankind, and got extinct because noah couldn't fit them into his ark.
I guess the T-Rex felt gutted because of that, but hey, how did the Plesiosaurs and other marine dinosaurs get extinct? Surely they could have swam since they were aquatic creatures.
Oh yeah, they probably got too naughty and god decided to punish them for raising the water levels above his intended divine will.
You know, people like you are actually a bit of a proof against evolution. No, don't jump with glee just yet. People like you are a sure proof that apart from evolving, humans can actually de-evolve too!
If you really do, then you're an even worst case scenario than I ever considered you before lady!
I suggest you do follow your own advice and start asking questions, but from REAL scientific and historical fact as opposed to the fairy tale mumbo jumbo that is currently affecting your brain in a truly negative way!
If your read my previous post in the way it should be understood, I was not saying dinosaurs didn't exist. Of course they existed, MILLIONS OF YEARS before the first human even evolved.
I was merely challenging you to see what sort of explanation you would come up with for the dinosaurs' existence, considering your preciuos little fairy tale book has failed to mention the dinos. By the way, contrary to 19th century belief, dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds, not lizards
I do have to say that this time you have managed to surprise me, since I didn't believe you were that daft as to believe dinosaurs existed with mankind, and got extinct because noah couldn't fit them into his ark.
I guess the T-Rex felt gutted because of that, but hey, how did the Plesiosaurs and other marine dinosaurs get extinct? Surely they could have swam since they were aquatic creatures.
Oh yeah, they probably got too naughty and god decided to punish them for raising the water levels above his intended divine will.
You know, people like you are actually a bit of a proof against evolution. No, don't jump with glee just yet. People like you are a sure proof that apart from evolving, humans can actually de-evolve too!
Do you have scientific proof either from and evolutionist or a creationist that humans de- evolve?
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wulfen: Don't tell me you seriously believed all that clap trap about dinosaurs going extinct because they didn't fit into noah's ark?
If you really do, then you're an even worst case scenario than I ever considered you before lady!
I suggest you do follow your own advice and start asking questions, but from REAL scientific and historical fact as opposed to the fairy tale mumbo jumbo that is currently affecting your brain in a truly negative way!
If your read my previous post in the way it should be understood, I was not saying dinosaurs didn't exist. Of course they existed, MILLIONS OF YEARS before the first human even evolved.
I was merely challenging you to see what sort of explanation you would come up with for the dinosaurs' existence, considering your preciuos little fairy tale book has failed to mention the dinos. By the way, contrary to 19th century belief, dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds, not lizards
I do have to say that this time you have managed to surprise me, since I didn't believe you were that daft as to believe dinosaurs existed with mankind, and got extinct because noah couldn't fit them into his ark.
I guess the T-Rex felt gutted because of that, but hey, how did the Plesiosaurs and other marine dinosaurs get extinct? Surely they could have swam since they were aquatic creatures.
Oh yeah, they probably got too naughty and god decided to punish them for raising the water levels above his intended divine will.
You know, people like you are actually a bit of a proof against evolution. No, don't jump with glee just yet. People like you are a sure proof that apart from evolving, humans can actually de-evolve too!
If you really do, then you're an even worst case scenario than I ever considered you before lady!
I suggest you do follow your own advice and start asking questions, but from REAL scientific and historical fact as opposed to the fairy tale mumbo jumbo that is currently affecting your brain in a truly negative way!
If your read my previous post in the way it should be understood, I was not saying dinosaurs didn't exist. Of course they existed, MILLIONS OF YEARS before the first human even evolved.
I was merely challenging you to see what sort of explanation you would come up with for the dinosaurs' existence, considering your preciuos little fairy tale book has failed to mention the dinos. By the way, contrary to 19th century belief, dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds, not lizards
I do have to say that this time you have managed to surprise me, since I didn't believe you were that daft as to believe dinosaurs existed with mankind, and got extinct because noah couldn't fit them into his ark.
I guess the T-Rex felt gutted because of that, but hey, how did the Plesiosaurs and other marine dinosaurs get extinct? Surely they could have swam since they were aquatic creatures.
Oh yeah, they probably got too naughty and god decided to punish them for raising the water levels above his intended divine will.
You know, people like you are actually a bit of a proof against evolution. No, don't jump with glee just yet. People like you are a sure proof that apart from evolving, humans can actually de-evolve too!
Go back and read the article again. You must have missed this part.....
God sent two of every (seven of some) land animal into the Ark (Genesis 7:2–3; 7:8–9)—there were no exceptions. Therefore, dinosaurs must have been on the Ark. Even though there was ample room in the huge ship for large animals, perhaps God sent young adults into the Ark that still had plenty of room for them to grow.
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wulfen: Don't tell me you seriously believed all that clap trap about dinosaurs going extinct because they didn't fit into noah's ark?
If you really do, then you're an even worst case scenario than I ever considered you before lady!
I suggest you do follow your own advice and start asking questions, but from REAL scientific and historical fact as opposed to the fairy tale mumbo jumbo that is currently affecting your brain in a truly negative way!
I do have to say that this time you have managed to surprise me, since I didn't believe you were that daft as to believe dinosaurs existed with mankind, and got extinct because noah couldn't fit them into his ark.
If you really do, then you're an even worst case scenario than I ever considered you before lady!
I suggest you do follow your own advice and start asking questions, but from REAL scientific and historical fact as opposed to the fairy tale mumbo jumbo that is currently affecting your brain in a truly negative way!
I do have to say that this time you have managed to surprise me, since I didn't believe you were that daft as to believe dinosaurs existed with mankind, and got extinct because noah couldn't fit them into his ark.
I do ask questions, all the time. I just don't ask you because I don't want the wrong answers. All I have been doing in answering the questions that you have asked.
It seems that you don't like the answers that I get from other people to back up things you don't believe to be true. That is why I suggested you go to the source I did so that you can ask your questions there and argue the point with the people you disagree with.
Again that source would be
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Faithfulness: Do you have scientific proof either from and evolutionist or a creationist that humans de- evolve?
Well in this case, you're making a very valid point of humans de-evolving, just look in the mirror lady.
By the way, can you spot irony when it's staring you in the face?
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Faithfulness: I do ask questions, all the time. I just don't ask you because I don't want the wrong answers. All I have been doing in answering the questions that you have asked.
It seems that you don't like the answers that I get from other people to back up things you don't believe to be true. That is why I suggested you go to the source I did so that you can ask your questions there and argue the point with the people you disagree with.
Again that source would be
It seems that you don't like the answers that I get from other people to back up things you don't believe to be true. That is why I suggested you go to the source I did so that you can ask your questions there and argue the point with the people you disagree with.
Again that source would be
No I just don't like answers that are STUPID and with no shred of SCIENTIFIC PROOF in them. How does your stupid site explain that carbon dating estimates the dinosaur fossils to be MILLIONS of years old?
Yes there is an element of mistake in carbon dating, but that is only a margin of error of a century here and there depending on the degradation of the material in question. There is a HUGE difference from a century to millions of years don't you think?
You know, if you weren't so pitiful you'd be a real laughable basket case with your silly ideas.
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You have some very loose logic my friend, there is no reason to assume that because we have a beginning point in the universe that therefore there must be a someone who was the creator of this process, also most of his work can actually be ascribed to his wife who was far better educated than he was and rewrote all his writings before they were published 
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lol what a load of rubbish, selected unfinished quotes,no refernces??? my boy you wouldnt pass a paper in any university I know, your arguments a re spurious and the logic ( if you could call it that ) is VERY LOOSE. 
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Wulfun and DMJ - you guys rock!
IF people were secure in their beliefs they wouldn't always be looking to push them on us.
If a dog takes a s--t and it looks like a cross - people will report "they saw a miracle" but they really ought to eat it...
IF people were secure in their beliefs they wouldn't always be looking to push them on us.
If a dog takes a s--t and it looks like a cross - people will report "they saw a miracle" but they really ought to eat it...
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There is not one shred of scietific evidence that supports the NOAH flood story, there is a great story from about 100 years earlier from the Sumerians, they built a large raft and only took all the male animals(go figure), that they could take Killed their wives and sailed off into the storm
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DJMcC: There is not one shred of scietific evidence that supports the NOAH flood story, there is a great story from about 100 years earlier from the Sumerians, they built a large raft and only took all the male animals(go figure), that they could take Killed their wives and sailed off into the storm
Maybe it was the first ever gay pride event in history?
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ocean78382: Wulfun and DMJ - you guys rock!
IF people were secure in their beliefs they wouldn't always be looking to push them on us.
If a dog takes a s--t and it looks like a cross - people will report "they saw a miracle" but they really ought to eat it...
IF people were secure in their beliefs they wouldn't always be looking to push them on us.
If a dog takes a s--t and it looks like a cross - people will report "they saw a miracle" but they really ought to eat it...
I wouldn't be surprised at all if some religious nut came up with that. Then again, in the vatican museum I did see a single strand of straw, preserved in a solid gold reliquary which must have weighed at least 50kgs, which is claimed to be one of the hays that lined jesus' manger in betlehem.
I wonder who the enterprising jew back then preserved that bit of hay in plastic for future christian generations to ooohh and ahhhh at!
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so the Religionists still abusing Onestone?
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wulfen: I wouldn't be surprised at all if some religious nut came up with that. Then again, in the vatican museum I did see a single strand of straw, preserved in a solid gold reliquary which must have weighed at least 50kgs, which is claimed to be one of the hays that lined jesus' manger in betlehem.
I wonder who the enterprising jew back then preserved that bit of hay in plastic for future christian generations to ooohh and ahhhh at!
All the Splinters of Wood from the Cross,would make Acres of Forest!I wonder who the enterprising jew back then preserved that bit of hay in plastic for future christian generations to ooohh and ahhhh at!
Don't even start with the Shroud!
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Conrad73: Logic without Fact is pretty dead.
But don't try tell them!
But don't try tell them!
The funny thing is (if it weren't so sad) is how convinced they are of their own superstitions, and never for one second doubt the silliness of the creationist 'scientists' they so happily quote.
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Is it possible to have more of a silly thought than to think that out of accident could come all this amazing wonder of life and all the complexities and beauty that is in existence today?
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Sampe1967: Is it possible to have more of a silly thought than to think that out of accident could come all this amazing wonder of life and all the complexities and beauty that is in existence today?
Yes it's quite possible. You can believe that a spirit called 'god' decided to have some fun and created the universe instead
There was probably nothing worth watching on the telly that week.
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Don't tell me you seriously believed all that clap trap about dinosaurs going extinct because they didn't fit into noah's ark?
If you really do, then you're an even worst case scenario than I ever considered you before lady!
I suggest you do follow your own advice and start asking questions, but from REAL scientific and historical fact as opposed to the fairy tale mumbo jumbo that is currently affecting your brain in a truly negative way!
If your read my previous post in the way it should be understood, I was not saying dinosaurs didn't exist. Of course they existed, MILLIONS OF YEARS before the first human even evolved.
I was merely challenging you to see what sort of explanation you would come up with for the dinosaurs' existence, considering your preciuos little fairy tale book has failed to mention the dinos. By the way, contrary to 19th century belief, dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds, not lizards
I do have to say that this time you have managed to surprise me, since I didn't believe you were that daft as to believe dinosaurs existed with mankind, and got extinct because noah couldn't fit them into his ark.
I guess the T-Rex felt gutted because of that, but hey, how did the Plesiosaurs and other marine dinosaurs get extinct? Surely they could have swam since they were aquatic creatures.
Oh yeah, they probably got too naughty and god decided to punish them for raising the water levels above his intended divine will.
You know, people like you are actually a bit of a proof against evolution. No, don't jump with glee just yet. People like you are a sure proof that apart from evolving, humans can actually de-evolve too!