should they have kids? (55)
sharminidublin, Dublin Ireland83 Threads 1 Polls 2,918 Postsskinnyminnypink: Well said, R ... can't legislate births but once one child is born to a parent or parents who cannot parent ... there must be a social intervention to monitor the parental behaviour ... this is where resources should be invested and not in this farce of a concept which is NAMA .... JMO
Iseult_1: Hardly think that child benefit is a sole incentive to have children... poor or otherwise, and the sad reality is children can't choose their parents.... Neither is it up to us to stand as judge and jury whether or not certain people should have children .... sad as it is ... What we should be providing is some sort of realistic help for children in trouble.....sadly a lot of social care is woefully inadequate.... some children in care are more at risk with the environment they find themselves in....
Ken35: I don't support Chinese style birth control policies on the terminally but I do believe that the state should discourage the permanently poor from having large families by doing this it will mean less families in poverty and better able to fend for themselves. How anyone can have three or more kids these days is mind boggling given how expensive it is to rear kids.
Well the HSE have hardly covered themselves in glory on minding children recently, your absolutely right there.
Well the HSE have hardly covered themselves in glory on minding children recently, your absolutely right there.
why is this gone on to ppl in general having loads of kids and the social giving them money if u actually knew the social welfare gives 26 euro for every child after the first i certainally wont be going out having any more then one for the money whats 26 euro when u have a child to look after it prob wont get the food and nappies to cover u for the week so when ya know a little more about it come back and create ur own thread about the social welfare
anneh88: one woman did contact them and was told they couldnt do anything about it because they didnt know where they lived or didnt know any names
This is the reality ... services cannot deal with/intervene if the identity of the miscreants is unknown ... the really sad aspect to these stories is that the children then grow up to perpetuate the cycle ... they want to be what their parents are and they become the offenders of the future ... or drug addicts of the future .. if your mummy does it, how bad can it be???
Ken35: I don't support Chinese style birth control policies on the terminally but I do believe that the state should discourage the permanently poor from having large families by doing this it will mean less families in poverty and better able to fend for themselves. How anyone can have three or more kids these days is mind boggling given how expensive it is to rear kids.
Well the HSE have hardly covered themselves in glory on minding children recently, your absolutely right there.
Well the HSE have hardly covered themselves in glory on minding children recently, your absolutely right there.
Define that please?
anneh88: why is this gone on to ppl in general having loads of kids and the social giving them money if u actually knew the social welfare gives 26 euro for every child after the first i certainally wont be going out having any more then one for the money whats 26 euro when u have a child to look after it prob wont get the food and nappies to cover u for the week so when ya know a little more about it come back and create ur own thread about the social welfare
I believe it about education and opportunity...but which comes first?....chicken and egg situation.....ita bout raising peoples expectations of what life can be like for them...and breaking cycles of poverty....
sharmini: ah yes...didnt get a chance to reply to this on another thread that ws subsequently locked......sooooooooooooo as a mum of 5, would you adopt two of mine then?
no I wouldn't!!( lovely as I'm sure they are :)) but judging on other posts of yours, we are not talking about 'people like you'- I don't know your situation but your posts don't give the impression that you recklessly had children that you couldn't support, so I would hope that you are not offended by the comments that people like myself are saying here.
for myself- i come from what would probably be classed as a middle class background- I am well educated and well qualified- have always worked and still do, but now find myself in a situation where , without my child benefit, probably couldn't pay the mortgage on the house I have worked hard to afford, or give my children the things I want them to have .
I now rely ( I hope short term) on the extra money that the government can give me to survive- the difference between me and some others being that I have EARNED those benefits, until I can get the extra work hours that i want to have, to provide for the children that I chose to have
skinnyminnypink: This is the reality ... services cannot deal with/intervene if the identity of the miscreants is unknown ... the really sad aspect to these stories is that the children then grow up to perpetuate the cycle ... they want to be what their parents are and they become the offenders of the future ... or drug addicts of the future .. if your mummy does it, how bad can it be???
i know it is sad but some of them dont turn out like the parents depends on how mature they are at a young age some of them are so disgusted by their parents that they do the oppisite and go out and make sure they dont end up like this but for the cases that do follow their footsteps those parents should be so ashamed of themselves like i have a 3 year old and i smoke she came to me the other day and asked me for a smoke and i havent touched them since it really sickened me but these people dont care if their kids do drugs its so sad
anneh88: i know it is sad but some of them dont turn out like the parents depends on how mature they are at a young age some of them are so disgusted by their parents that they do the oppisite and go out and make sure they dont end up like this but for the cases that do follow their footsteps those parents should be so ashamed of themselves like i have a 3 year old and i smoke she came to me the other day and asked me for a smoke and i havent touched them since it really sickened me but these people dont care if their kids do drugs its so sad
Godsgift: I agree with the sentiment that their kids should be removed as living in that sick environment has long term effects on a child's attitudes, outlook on life and interaction with others.
My only problem is just who is going to decide which parents are unfit and my guess is that the poorer parents will be targeted. The effects will continue in the homes of the middle classes who the media equate respectability and money with healthy attitudes and lifestyle.
As the son of a high ranking and outwardly successful police officer, I can assure you this is not the case. You would not believe what is going on in the homes of the financially successful.
And then, what happens to the kids we remove. Do we institutionalise and traumatise them for the first 16 years of their lives and then put them out to fend for themselves.
The church, the state and its organs have shown themselves to be not only poor in this area but downright detramental.
My only problem is just who is going to decide which parents are unfit and my guess is that the poorer parents will be targeted. The effects will continue in the homes of the middle classes who the media equate respectability and money with healthy attitudes and lifestyle.
As the son of a high ranking and outwardly successful police officer, I can assure you this is not the case. You would not believe what is going on in the homes of the financially successful.
And then, what happens to the kids we remove. Do we institutionalise and traumatise them for the first 16 years of their lives and then put them out to fend for themselves.
The church, the state and its organs have shown themselves to be not only poor in this area but downright detramental.
Godsgift: And I say again, that the ones you see are from the poorer backgrounds. What about the middle classes?
they are poor because they choose to take this habbit up even a millionaire would be poor feeding a habbit of 1000 euro a week after a few years anyone can get messed up with drugs nothing got to do with money in my opinion
anneh88: they are poor because they choose to take this habbit up even a millionaire would be poor feeding a habbit of 1000 euro a week after a few years anyone can get messed up with drugs nothing got to do with money in my opinion
Not all drug addicts and child abusers/neglecters are poor. You need to broaden your outlook. Todays abusers can be yesterday's abused.
No point in educating your kids to the highest level when you've beaten every bit of self worth and self belief out of them.
Godsgift: Not all drug addicts and child abusers/neglecters are poor. You need to broaden your outlook. Todays abusers can be yesterday's abused.
No point in educating your kids to the highest level when you've beaten every bit of self worth and self belief out of them.
No point in educating your kids to the highest level when you've beaten every bit of self worth and self belief out of them.
that was my point not all of them are from poor backrounds and as a person that has been through an awful lot in my life i wud strongly disagree with u about the education because if i didnt have the education i have now and am hoping to learn over the next few years god only knows were i would be my education and my experiences outside my up bringing is what has made me as a person im not going to get into what iv been through but ill tell u now that it wud put chills up ur spine but im doing well for myself and im happy with my life now
jampet: please read back my post- that's exactly my point- it's not just the 'poor' but people think that it is!
i apologise i read it wrong sorry
anneh88: i apologise i read it wrong sorry
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