9/11 (44)
I was collecting my kids from the childminders. She was watching it on Sky News. Remember they thought the 1st hit was an accident. We walked into her sitting room just as the 2nd plane hit and it became clear that it was no accident. We stood for ages watching it in complete horror.
As I was going home I remembered that my friend, Emer, was in New York visiting a friend of hers. I rang Emer's Dad straight away to check if he'd heard from her. It turns out that she had been in the restaurant of the 1st tower hit having breakfast. Her friends boss had come in and told the friend that she had some holidays due and could take a few days to spend with Emer.
They left the tower less than 15 minutes before the 1st plane hit.
As I was going home I remembered that my friend, Emer, was in New York visiting a friend of hers. I rang Emer's Dad straight away to check if he'd heard from her. It turns out that she had been in the restaurant of the 1st tower hit having breakfast. Her friends boss had come in and told the friend that she had some holidays due and could take a few days to spend with Emer.
They left the tower less than 15 minutes before the 1st plane hit.
sharmini: At Logan Airport, the McCourts waited on standby. Ruth Clifford McCourt, a 44-year-old businesswoman who left her native County Cork as a teenager, was taking four-year-old Juliana on a vacation to Los Angeles. Mother and daughter found seats aboard United Airlines Flight 175.
Shortly after takeoff, of course, Flight 175 was yanked from its flight path by hijackers. As Ruth McCourt's plane hurtled towards Lower Manhattan, it's likely she never knew that her own brother, Ronnie, was attending a business meeting in the very same skyscraper where she and her daughter would meet their fiery end. ??
Ronnie Clifford would escape the Trade Center without serious injury, only to learn later that one of the two planes that brought the Towers down contained his sister Ruth and niece Juliana. ??
Shortly after takeoff, of course, Flight 175 was yanked from its flight path by hijackers. As Ruth McCourt's plane hurtled towards Lower Manhattan, it's likely she never knew that her own brother, Ronnie, was attending a business meeting in the very same skyscraper where she and her daughter would meet their fiery end. ??
Ronnie Clifford would escape the Trade Center without serious injury, only to learn later that one of the two planes that brought the Towers down contained his sister Ruth and niece Juliana. ??
Thats more disturbing to know it was Familys with kids and not just Adults on them planes ....That sounds wrong to single out Children even more than the Adults who died but i cant help it
Seems the brother was one of the lucky ones like wexford ladys friend who had just left before the attrocities
wexlady41: I was collecting my kids from the childminders. She was watching it on Sky News. Remember they thought the 1st hit was an accident. We walked into her sitting room just as the 2nd plane hit and it became clear that it was no accident. We stood for ages watching it in complete horror.
As I was going home I remembered that my friend, Emer, was in New York visiting a friend of hers. I rang Emer's Dad straight away to check if he'd heard from her. It turns out that she had been in the restaurant of the 1st tower hit having breakfast. Her friends boss had come in and told the friend that she had some holidays due and could take a few days to spend with Emer.
They left the tower less than 15 minutes before the 1st plane hit.
As I was going home I remembered that my friend, Emer, was in New York visiting a friend of hers. I rang Emer's Dad straight away to check if he'd heard from her. It turns out that she had been in the restaurant of the 1st tower hit having breakfast. Her friends boss had come in and told the friend that she had some holidays due and could take a few days to spend with Emer.
They left the tower less than 15 minutes before the 1st plane hit.
Omurchu65: Thats more disturbing to know it was Familys with kids and not just Adults on them planes ....That sounds wrong to single out Children even more than the Adults who died but i cant help it
Seems the brother was one of the lucky ones like wexford ladys friend who had just left before the attrocities
Seems the brother was one of the lucky ones like wexford ladys friend who had just left before the attrocities
true
scriobhneoir: You can get smarmy all you want, but surely you have to admit that the installation of a fascist murderer in a democratic country is a significant historical event.
The September 11th that you refer to was a personal tragedy for those involved but was a one off event. This isn't me being anti-American, just offering some bloody perspective.
Just because you may have been brainwashed into believing that the US and their allies are the only countries where the people's suffering counts, doesn't mean the rest of us have.
The September 11th that you refer to was a personal tragedy for those involved but was a one off event. This isn't me being anti-American, just offering some bloody perspective.
Just because you may have been brainwashed into believing that the US and their allies are the only countries where the people's suffering counts, doesn't mean the rest of us have.
I think it is pretty fair to say that it was not a one off event. There has been nearly a decade of reprisals back and forth. It is the key event in a decade of war and economic disasters. 9/11 changed an awful lot about our lives. It influenced global events much more than Pinochet ever could.
9/11 struck a cord in the West as it was close to home. Being on a plane or going to work (like the victims of 9/11 did) are both easily identifiable for us in the West. Being murdered by a dictator in Chile is less identifiable. Plus the average Irish person probably knows very little about Chile or Pinochet, thus they don't care as much as they would about the country that they watch every day in TV, movies etc.
All needless deaths are to be mourned, there is no need to pick out any as more worthy of our attention. But it is understandable why 9/11 gets more attention than Pinochet. Also, 9/11 happened in one day, so it is more eye catching than a change that led to years of a brutal regime.
blipper2000: there is no muslim bashing going on
but i just want to say one thing
muslim fundamentalists were rersponsible for 9/11
thats a fact
its not muslim bashing to state that
is it?
i have nothing against muslims
but i just want to say one thing
muslim fundamentalists were rersponsible for 9/11
thats a fact
its not muslim bashing to state that
is it?
i have nothing against muslims
You should be terrorist bashing, not Muslim bashing. Using their religion to identify them is the gateway to sectarianism.
Tbh It really effected me.
The suffering of the people trapped and the pain and mental anguish of ordinary people who decided to jump as opposed to burn.
The most touching part of the whole thing is the sacrifice the rescue services made. To still usher people out of the second tower after the first fell is true heriosm in its rawist form.
There is no greater love then he who lay down his life for a stranger.
God bless and ease the pain of the families and may the heros never be forgotton.]
We should remember and respect the emergencies services, instead of cutting there pay, after all they are the ones running in to get your kids when everyone else runs out!
still no excuse to bomb Afganistan or Iraq tho. All that happened there was mor young people were condemened to die on both sides of the war
The suffering of the people trapped and the pain and mental anguish of ordinary people who decided to jump as opposed to burn.
The most touching part of the whole thing is the sacrifice the rescue services made. To still usher people out of the second tower after the first fell is true heriosm in its rawist form.
There is no greater love then he who lay down his life for a stranger.
God bless and ease the pain of the families and may the heros never be forgotton.]
We should remember and respect the emergencies services, instead of cutting there pay, after all they are the ones running in to get your kids when everyone else runs out!
still no excuse to bomb Afganistan or Iraq tho. All that happened there was mor young people were condemened to die on both sides of the war
libroman: I think it is pretty fair to say that it was not a one off event. There has been nearly a decade of reprisals back and forth. It is the key event in a decade of war and economic disasters. 9/11 changed an awful lot about our lives. It influenced global events much more than Pinochet ever could.
9/11 struck a cord in the West as it was close to home. Being on a plane or going to work (like the victims of 9/11 did) are both easily identifiable for us in the West. Being murdered by a dictator in Chile is less identifiable. Plus the average Irish person probably knows very little about Chile or Pinochet, thus they don't care as much as they would about the country that they watch every day in TV, movies etc.
All needless deaths are to be mourned, there is no need to pick out any as more worthy of our attention. But it is understandable why 9/11 gets more attention than Pinochet. Also, 9/11 happened in one day, so it is more eye catching than a change that led to years of a brutal regime.
You should be terrorist bashing, not Muslim bashing. Using their religion to identify them is the gateway to sectarianism.
9/11 struck a cord in the West as it was close to home. Being on a plane or going to work (like the victims of 9/11 did) are both easily identifiable for us in the West. Being murdered by a dictator in Chile is less identifiable. Plus the average Irish person probably knows very little about Chile or Pinochet, thus they don't care as much as they would about the country that they watch every day in TV, movies etc.
All needless deaths are to be mourned, there is no need to pick out any as more worthy of our attention. But it is understandable why 9/11 gets more attention than Pinochet. Also, 9/11 happened in one day, so it is more eye catching than a change that led to years of a brutal regime.
You should be terrorist bashing, not Muslim bashing. Using their religion to identify them is the gateway to sectarianism.
im not bashing anyone
i hate all terrorists
blipper2000: im not bashing anyone
i hate all terrorists
i hate all terrorists
I'm not saying you were. But your post seemed a good place to say what I felt about the way people talk about 9/11.
Just referring to them as Muslims instead of terrorists, as many do, is to be avoided. The IRA bombing the UK did not represent all of us, Al Qaeda do not represent all Muslims.
libroman: I'm not saying you were. But your post seemed a good place to say what I felt about the way people talk about 9/11.
Just referring to them as Muslims instead of terrorists, as many do, is to be avoided. The IRA bombing the UK did not represent all of us, Al Qaeda do not represent all Muslims.
Just referring to them as Muslims instead of terrorists, as many do, is to be avoided. The IRA bombing the UK did not represent all of us, Al Qaeda do not represent all Muslims.
read my post
i said muslim fundamentalists
woods: Ah for Christ's sake Scribbs!!
It's too late for a stirring contribution like that
Allende was no democrat by the way.
It's too late for a stirring contribution like that
Allende was no democrat by the way.
He was democratically elected and behaved democratically. He was overthrown and murdered by those that didnt like the government the Chilean people had voted for. If those are the rules then nobody is safe. Also if the US were involved which of course they were, then they are not democrats either....so who are the good guys???
blipper2000: read my post
i said muslim fundamentalists
i said muslim fundamentalists
I said I did not accuse you of anything. You are quoting a post where I am saying that as well. I even broke up my points into one answering you and one general one about the Muslim/terrorist issue.
Fallingman: He was democratically elected and behaved democratically. He was overthrown and murdered by those that didnt like the government the Chilean people had voted for. If those are the rules then nobody is safe. Also if the US were involved which of course they were, then they are not democrats either....so who are the good guys???
libroman: I think it is pretty fair to say that it was not a one off event. There has been nearly a decade of reprisals back and forth. It is the key event in a decade of war and economic disasters. 9/11 changed an awful lot about our lives. It influenced global events much more than Pinochet ever could.
9/11 struck a cord in the West as it was close to home. Being on a plane or going to work (like the victims of 9/11 did) are both easily identifiable for us in the West. Being murdered by a dictator in Chile is less identifiable. Plus the average Irish person probably knows very little about Chile or Pinochet, thus they don't care as much as they would about the country that they watch every day in TV, movies etc.
All needless deaths are to be mourned, there is no need to pick out any as more worthy of our attention. But it is understandable why 9/11 gets more attention than Pinochet. Also, 9/11 happened in one day, so it is more eye catching than a change that led to years of a brutal regime.
You should be terrorist bashing, not Muslim bashing. Using their religion to identify them is the gateway to sectarianism.
9/11 struck a cord in the West as it was close to home. Being on a plane or going to work (like the victims of 9/11 did) are both easily identifiable for us in the West. Being murdered by a dictator in Chile is less identifiable. Plus the average Irish person probably knows very little about Chile or Pinochet, thus they don't care as much as they would about the country that they watch every day in TV, movies etc.
All needless deaths are to be mourned, there is no need to pick out any as more worthy of our attention. But it is understandable why 9/11 gets more attention than Pinochet. Also, 9/11 happened in one day, so it is more eye catching than a change that led to years of a brutal regime.
You should be terrorist bashing, not Muslim bashing. Using their religion to identify them is the gateway to sectarianism.
i'll probably be shot down for posting this but to me it makes more sense - check out a documentary called zeitgeist - the explanation there makes a lot more sense than the us government version of events jmo
70Libra: Today would have been my 15th wedding anniversary had it lasted.
Happy un-anniversary to me!
Happy un-anniversary to me!
ooh- the 9th would have been my 15th too ( also the day his gf's baby was due
)Kodexx: Tbh It really effected me.
The suffering of the people trapped and the pain and mental anguish of ordinary people who decided to jump as opposed to burn.
The most touching part of the whole thing is the sacrifice the rescue services made. To still usher people out of the second tower after the first fell is true heriosm in its rawist form.
There is no greater love then he who lay down his life for a stranger.
God bless and ease the pain of the families and may the heros never be forgotton.]
We should remember and respect the emergencies services, instead of cutting there pay, after all they are the ones running in to get your kids when everyone else runs out!
still no excuse to bomb Afganistan or Iraq tho. All that happened there was mor young people were condemened to die on both sides of the war
The suffering of the people trapped and the pain and mental anguish of ordinary people who decided to jump as opposed to burn.
The most touching part of the whole thing is the sacrifice the rescue services made. To still usher people out of the second tower after the first fell is true heriosm in its rawist form.
There is no greater love then he who lay down his life for a stranger.
God bless and ease the pain of the families and may the heros never be forgotton.]
We should remember and respect the emergencies services, instead of cutting there pay, after all they are the ones running in to get your kids when everyone else runs out!
still no excuse to bomb Afganistan or Iraq tho. All that happened there was mor young people were condemened to die on both sides of the war
Beautiful post and very true!
i agree with that post too... but to add...
our understanding should over ride our revenge at these bad times.
un-fortunately human nature is not perfect... but here`s hoping.. r.i.p. all 9-11 and consequent war victims thereafter..jmo
our understanding should over ride our revenge at these bad times.
un-fortunately human nature is not perfect... but here`s hoping.. r.i.p. all 9-11 and consequent war victims thereafter..jmo
i was in wexford town when the news started filtering down early that morning- had to go straight home and watched the news pretty much straight through the day and night, and just felt sick. I didn't personally know anyone that was killed, but having lived many years in America, I'm sure someone I knew, had a friend or relative killed, or affected.
doesn't matter which 'side they were on', any loss of life is tragic- always seems more so when it is in large numbers, but each life is a life::blues:
and E- I can't imagine being at the ground zero site- bit like being somewhere like Auschwitz ( sp?)- a site where pure evil existed- would have chilled me to the bone
doesn't matter which 'side they were on', any loss of life is tragic- always seems more so when it is in large numbers, but each life is a life::blues:
and E- I can't imagine being at the ground zero site- bit like being somewhere like Auschwitz ( sp?)- a site where pure evil existed- would have chilled me to the bone
jampet: i was in wexford town when the news started filtering down early that morning- had to go straight home and watched the news pretty much straight through the day and night, and just felt sick. I didn't personally know anyone that was killed, but having lived many years in America, I'm sure someone I knew, had a friend or relative killed, or affected.
doesn't matter which 'side they were on', any loss of life is tragic- always seems more so when it is in large numbers, but each life is a life::blues:
and E- I can't imagine being at the ground zero site- bit like being somewhere like Auschwitz ( sp?)- a site where pure evil existed- would have chilled me to the bone
doesn't matter which 'side they were on', any loss of life is tragic- always seems more so when it is in large numbers, but each life is a life::blues:
and E- I can't imagine being at the ground zero site- bit like being somewhere like Auschwitz ( sp?)- a site where pure evil existed- would have chilled me to the bone
Massive cues...lots of pics and flowers and very sombre ...
Ironically the local papers were headlining about the workers being exposed to so many different germs/diseases with the amount of dead bodies etc being buried ...and that steel was being robbed by the mafia from the site
Would you believe when i worked in Deutschland wherever we were sent to after a while we would always end up at a Concentration/work Camp ....Harrowing stuff if you let it get to you but since it was so long ago and again being detached from it its easy to forget ....
Omurchu65: Massive cues...lots of pics and flowers and very sombre ...
Ironically the local papers were headlining about the workers being exposed to so many different germs/diseases with the amount of dead bodies etc being buried ...and that steel was being robbed by the mafia from the site
Would you believe when i worked in Deutschland wherever we were sent to after a while we would always end up at a Concentration/work Camp ....Harrowing stuff if you let it get to you but since it was so long ago and again being detached from it its easy to forget ....
Ironically the local papers were headlining about the workers being exposed to so many different germs/diseases with the amount of dead bodies etc being buried ...and that steel was being robbed by the mafia from the site
Would you believe when i worked in Deutschland wherever we were sent to after a while we would always end up at a Concentration/work Camp ....Harrowing stuff if you let it get to you but since it was so long ago and again being detached from it its easy to forget ....
I would say it should never be forgotton! The second these things are forgotton they are liable to be repeated. I do however have great respect for the germans as a race beacuse they never try to hide their past now where is the memorial for the h block hungar strikers in England hmmmmmmm.
Our country takes heros for granted.....we cht public service pay across the board but forget who the public service are.......yep, firemen, E.M.T's, Military (Naval search and rescue).... A little did you know......A navy sailor doesnt get overtime...and his danger money for being at sea in every kind of weather works out at €1.25 per hour.....food for thought
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There were a lot of frightened people on board that aircraft and especially when the military were waiting for us.
Another day that will go down in infamy.