Yes We Can (78)
gininitaly: Conrad, you ol'right wing heathen
If some of the rest of you aren't totally blind to what this is indicative of the last 10 yrs and what Obama was miraculously supposed to drag our asses out of . All that in just the first year and now the 3 trillion in debt, the country in ruins, the hungry getting hungrier, a crashed middle class and yet oddly enough the rich are still getting richer... duh, wonder how all that happened .... musta been Obama
Yep,Obama is George's Miracle!If some of the rest of you aren't totally blind to what this is indicative of the last 10 yrs and what Obama was miraculously supposed to drag our asses out of . All that in just the first year and now the 3 trillion in debt, the country in ruins, the hungry getting hungrier, a crashed middle class and yet oddly enough the rich are still getting richer... duh, wonder how all that happened .... musta been Obama
George Soros' Miracle!
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In response to: "The Pew Center looked at U.S. incarceration through 2007 and found 2.3 million people incarcerated and that that is double what it was in 1982 giving the U.S. the highest incarceration rate on the planet."
"The Justice Policy Institute recently estimated annual state, federal and local spending on incarceration at $68 billion. State spending is 60% of that."
"The U.S. has only 5% of the world's population and 26% of the world's incarcerated population." This doesn't even make any sense!
"The Justice Policy Institute recently estimated annual state, federal and local spending on incarceration at $68 billion. State spending is 60% of that."
"The U.S. has only 5% of the world's population and 26% of the world's incarcerated population." This doesn't even make any sense!
It makes sense dear if you want to make the poor incapable of voting, because that's what a federal crime does. Besides the rich don't like their streets cluttered in the obviously poor.. hurts the eyes... plus all those darkies, no more than animals, tut tut.
Just think if they had spent that money on the roots of the problems? Like jobs, education and a positive, supportive approach?
But that would require a conscience wouldn't it?
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gininitaly: It makes sense dear if you want to make the poor incapable of voting, because that's what a federal crime does. Besides the rich don't like their streets cluttered in the obviously poor.. hurts the eyes... plus all those darkies, no more than animals, tut tut.
Just think if they had spent that money on the roots of the problems? Like jobs, education and a positive, supportive approach?
But that would require a conscience wouldn't it?
Just think if they had spent that money on the roots of the problems? Like jobs, education and a positive, supportive approach?
But that would require a conscience wouldn't it?
The middle class don't seem very appreciative of having streets littered with poor either. Or with criminals. If I didn't know better it would seem lots of people never heard of public education in this country.
I do think we should do something about jobs, though. Instead of food stamps and entitlement checks for free, work should be required. Maybe cleaning up and fixing up the community around them. Good for everyone from taxpayers to community residents!
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It makes sense dear if you want to make the poor incapable of voting, because that's what a federal crime does..
It has nothing to do with criminal behavior and everything to do with vote suppression? Seriously, huh?
It has nothing to do with criminal behavior and everything to do with vote suppression? Seriously, huh?
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Conrad73: Yep,Obama is George's Miracle!
George Soros' Miracle!
George Soros' Miracle!
You got it.
George Soros
The CFR
Chase Manhattan
Goldman Sachs
Wall Street in general
The Trilateral Commission
Bilderberg
And even Dubya.
Without him Obama couldn't have won.
It took a nation desperate for change at any cost to put a totally unknown entity like Obama into the white house.
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gardenhackle: It makes sense dear if you want to make the poor incapable of voting, because that's what a federal crime does..
It has nothing to do with criminal behavior and everything to do with vote suppression? Seriously, huh?
It has nothing to do with criminal behavior and everything to do with vote suppression? Seriously, huh?
It is a social issue that in a kinder society could be addressed, criminality is a learned behavior just like being well educated is a learned behavior. But if you don't get some positive feedback once in awhile growing up... you are doomed to fail. Hopelessness is contagious.
How about free daycare for single moms? What about low cost daycare for all people with low paying jobs?
Free health and dental care... the military have it (because thats where many of the other born poor go) But I guess you have to be willing to die to get health care in the states... or just die period if you have no insurance or the acceptable norm for who've been dropped from some HMO they had, because they actually got sick.
How about not releasing the incarcerated back to their old neighborhoods... but somewhere they've actually got a chance to succeed with supportive people around them?
How about giving more money to schools and teachers and making the schools smaller and easier to care for these kids?
Poverty is a circle if no one steps in to show a way out.
There are criminals all over from some kid who steals a candybar and is thrown in jail at 12... to the mechanic who says you've got a worse issue than he thought on your car, up to the Enrons' who steal millions and devastate thousands of peoples' work of a lifetime... but how much hard time do those lily white tails see?
You don't see the problem here? It's a question of proportion.
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Seriously, I'm done with this one because I can site all variances, disproportionate discrepancies, yada, yada, yada and some people obviously get their jollies off by continuously stirring up the pot with utter nonsense.
I posted a thread about poverty in the U.S., and that caused an issue, I posted a poem about an American president and that caused an issue.
Let me make myself very clear, as long as CS allows me too, I will post my beliefs, my experiences and my poems based on those beliefs and experiences. No one has to like them, no one has to approve of them, I'm not requesting approval, nor do I care for approval. My political stance is MY political stance. If someone has a problem with that, that's their problem.
Have a nice day!
I posted a thread about poverty in the U.S., and that caused an issue, I posted a poem about an American president and that caused an issue.
Let me make myself very clear, as long as CS allows me too, I will post my beliefs, my experiences and my poems based on those beliefs and experiences. No one has to like them, no one has to approve of them, I'm not requesting approval, nor do I care for approval. My political stance is MY political stance. If someone has a problem with that, that's their problem.
Have a nice day!
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BellaTheRebel48: Seriously, I'm done with this one because I can site all variances, disproportionate discrepancies, yada, yada, yada and some people obviously get their jollies off by continuously stirring up the pot with utter nonsense.
I posted a thread about poverty in the U.S., and that caused an issue, I posted a poem about an American president and that caused an issue.
Let me make myself very clear, as long as CS allows me too, I will post my beliefs, my experiences and my poems based on those beliefs and experiences. No one has to like them, no one has to approve of them, I'm not requesting approval, nor do I care for approval. My political stance is MY political stance. If someone has a problem with that, that's their problem.
Have a nice day!
I posted a thread about poverty in the U.S., and that caused an issue, I posted a poem about an American president and that caused an issue.
Let me make myself very clear, as long as CS allows me too, I will post my beliefs, my experiences and my poems based on those beliefs and experiences. No one has to like them, no one has to approve of them, I'm not requesting approval, nor do I care for approval. My political stance is MY political stance. If someone has a problem with that, that's their problem.
Have a nice day!
Why you should post your political beliefs and thought processes and rationale for supporting them and promoting them. The more you do that and the more you LISTEN and evaluate the information you are debating, the more capable you will be of being able to slam dunk your position when it's supportable and the more likely you will be to re-evaluate your position when it's flawed.
It may not change your political beliefs or your heartfelt convictions but it will certainly help you analyze the strong and weak points in arguments you make. That will only help you advance your position and beliefs and that's a good thing. That's what makes American politics work. Everyone's participation is important.
You don't have to support my beliefs nor do I have to support yours in order for both you and I to have discussions about real issues that stick to real issues, facts and ideas. Exchanges of ideas are always more valuable than exchanges of insults.
Have a great day, Bella. I disagree with you on many points but admire your passion.
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gardenhackle this is the second time you've post 3 times the same, maybe your pc is slow... give it a second or two before hitting the send button again... and again 
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Oops must've hit page one. Nevermind
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gininitaly: There are criminals all over from some kid who steals a candybar and is thrown in jail at 12... to the mechanic who says you've got a worse issue than he thought on your car, up to the Enrons' who steal millions and devastate thousands of peoples' work of a lifetime... but how much hard time do those lily white tails see?
I had a hard time finding the case of the 12 year old candy bar shoplifter that got tossed into the clink to do hard time.
But Bernie Madoff got sentenced to 150 years in prison.
ENRON... Convictions have been made and prison sentences issued: Kenneth Lay was sentenced to 24 years. He'll probably never see the light of day as a free man.
You can't prove an unreasonable position with rhetorical questions, particularly when the answers to those questions don't support whatever direction you're trying to take your argument, either.
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gininitaly: gardenhackle this is the second time you've post 3 times the same, maybe your pc is slow... give it a second or two before hitting the send button again... and again .
I noticed that, too. I posted from my iPhone and it didn't give me any indication that it took my "click". Just figuring out how to use it and yeah... big oops on those two multiple posts. Thanks for the good advice on the solution though. Patience solves that problem.
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BellaTheRebel48: Oh and since this news is disturbing to me, let me instead of drowning MY sorrows in champagne, go in search of some Colt45 malt liquor, since garden found out that that is the beverage of choice in da hood!
I don't know about what's the beverage of choice in your, particular hood. It was just the beverage of choice in New Orleans 9th Ward. Schlitz Malt Liquor, actually. COLT 45 wasn't the cool stuff. Everyone was drinkin' "the Bull".
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But here's a quote:
"It's easier to build strong children than repair broken men."
Frederick Douglass
"It's easier to build strong children than repair broken men."
Frederick Douglass
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gininitaly: But here's a quote:
"It's easier to build strong children than repair broken men."
Frederick Douglass
"It's easier to build strong children than repair broken men."
Frederick Douglass
I agree. Do parents build strong children or does government build strong children? I think that's the next question that has to be answered before we can get very much farther with this train of thought.
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So where do you throw the money.... into the pockets of the rich and forget about everyone else???
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It has to start somewhere and if it means giving them a hand to be more productive members of society, then I think it's worth the price. Win/win for all of us. I thought that was what the constitution was for; A country by the people (ALL the people 
) and for the people.... not just the middle and upper class whites.
But I am in agreement with you about the welfare issue, it should be like Roosevelt and the CCC... work not money, that way you don't create generations of none workers with time on their hands and it keeps people moving, learning new things and maybe even finding a passion. Unless someone is physically disabled..they should be required to offer time and labor to their communities or wherever needed.
But once again, single mothers can't work and pay childcare.. and get above the quicksand.
But you really need to research some of the facts about poverty instead of making blanket statements... your ignorance shows or Bella probably wouldn't have stormed off.
) and for the people.... not just the middle and upper class whites. But I am in agreement with you about the welfare issue, it should be like Roosevelt and the CCC... work not money, that way you don't create generations of none workers with time on their hands and it keeps people moving, learning new things and maybe even finding a passion. Unless someone is physically disabled..they should be required to offer time and labor to their communities or wherever needed.
But once again, single mothers can't work and pay childcare.. and get above the quicksand.
But you really need to research some of the facts about poverty instead of making blanket statements... your ignorance shows or Bella probably wouldn't have stormed off.
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Can't speak for the rest of Europe, but Italy's backbone is their families, they watch out for each other... plus mostly free health care that doesn't pauper anyone if they get ill and oddly enough a government that can still debate about a social conscience.
And besides, they're lovers and not fighters... so would never start a war that takes up 45% of the national budget for no reason, because they know damn well what it means to have it on your own doorstep.. as most of Europe does.
And besides, they're lovers and not fighters... so would never start a war that takes up 45% of the national budget for no reason, because they know damn well what it means to have it on your own doorstep.. as most of Europe does.
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What some people call "debate," I call "back and forth" because it gets us nowhere. I'm not going to go pages and pages back and forth when I'm basically meeting a brick wall no matter what I write. To me that is the definition of insanity, to think that if I keep going on and on with someone and get the same result from them, that I should keep at it. Uh...no!!! Not gonna happen!!!
Not to mention that since I had too much champagne last night, today I feel as though I don't know "how not to look stupid when debating," because I cannot express how concerned I am at looking stupid on an internet dating site forum!!!!
Not to mention that since I had too much champagne last night, today I feel as though I don't know "how not to look stupid when debating," because I cannot express how concerned I am at looking stupid on an internet dating site forum!!!!
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If some of the rest of you aren't totally blind to what this is indicative of the last 10 yrs and what Obama was miraculously supposed to drag our asses out of