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Nov 9, 2010 12:22 AM CST Many women
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
The prevalence rate for anorexic eating disorders is estimated a 3.43 percent, deemed to be nearly epidemic, and yet this figure is a fraction lower than the rate for antisocial personality. The high-profile disorders classed as schizophrenia occur in only about 1 percent of [the population] - a mere quarter of the rate of antisocial personality - and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say that the rate of colon cancer in the United States, considered "alarmingly high," is about 40 per 100,000 - one hundred times lower than the rate of antisocial personality.

The high incidence of sociopathy in human society has a profound effect on the rest of us who must live on this planet, too, even those of us who have not been clinically traumatized. The individuals who constitute this 4 percent drain our relationships, our bank accounts, our accomplishments, our self-esteem, our very peace on earth.

Yet surprisingly, many people know nothing about this disorder, or if they do, they think only in terms of violent psychopathy - murderers, serial killers, mass murderers - people who have conspicuously broken the law many times over, and who, if caught, will be imprisoned, maybe even put to death by our legal system.

We are not commonly aware of, nor do we usually identify, the larger number of nonviolent sociopaths among us, people who often are not blatant lawbreakers, and against whom our formal legal system provides little defense.

Most of us would not imagine any correspondence between conceiving an ethnic genocide and, say, guiltlessly lying to one's boss about a coworker. But the psychological correspondence is not only there; it is chilling. Simple and profound, the link is the absence of the inner mechanism that beats up on us, emotionally speaking, when we make a choice we view as immoral, unethical, neglectful, or selfish.

Most of us feel mildly guilty if we eat the last piece of cake in the kitchen, let alone what we would feel if we intentionally and methodically set about to hurt another person.

Those who have no conscience at all are a group unto themselves, whether they be homicidal tyrants or merely ruthless social snipers.

The presence or absence of conscience is a deep human division, arguably more significant than intelligence, race, or even gender.

What differentiates a sociopath who lives off the labors of others from one who occasionally robs convenience stores, or from one who is a contemporary robber baron - or what makes the difference betwen an ordinary bully and a sociopathic murderer - is nothing more than social status, drive, intellect, blood lust, or simple opportunity.

What distinguishes all of these people from the rest of us is an utterly empty hole in the psyche, where there should be the most evolved of all humanizing functions. [Martha Stout, Ph.D., The Sociopath Next Door] (highly recommended)
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Nov 9, 2010 12:26 AM CST Many women
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
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Nov 9, 2010 12:40 AM CST Many women
JSuburbia
JSuburbiaJSuburbiaOrbisonia, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,518 Posts
I'm not quite sure where you were going with the post, but I have been diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder. I however live a life that is normal. I don't have tendancies to kill or harm other people.

I live life just like everyone else, have the same desires and wants out of it as well. Yes, I find it harder than some to get along with some people, but that is life, you're not going to like everyone that you meet or get along with everyone you meet.

I don't use it as a crutch or excuse to act hostile towards people. I treat people with respect and tend to give it unless I am disrespected. I don't go nuts if someone cuts me off in traffic or go crazy if someone cuts in line at the movies. If you were to document the lives of 99 other people plus myself, I feel as though I'd be just another boring read. I don't have temper tantrums and scream & kick on the floor like some spoiled child at the supermarket that didn't get a candybar.

Do I feel as though there is something in my life that is missing? Sure I do, there is alot of life that I'd like to experience and to find out.

I really don't understand the exact point of your thread, so if you could clarify that, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Nov 9, 2010 12:51 AM CST Many women
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
JSuburbia: I'm not quite sure where you were going with the post, but I have been diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder. I however live a life that is normal. I don't have tendancies to kill or harm other people.

I live life just like everyone else, have the same desires and wants out of it as well. Yes, I find it harder than some to get along with some people, but that is life, you're not going to like everyone that you meet or get along with everyone you meet.

I don't use it as a crutch or excuse to act hostile towards people. I treat people with respect and tend to give it unless I am disrespected. I don't go nuts if someone cuts me off in traffic or go crazy if someone cuts in line at the movies. If you were to document the lives of 99 other people plus myself, I feel as though I'd be just another boring read. I don't have temper tantrums and scream & kick on the floor like some spoiled child at the supermarket that didn't get a candybar.

Do I feel as though there is something in my life that is missing? Sure I do, there is alot of life that I'd like to experience and to find out.

I really don't understand the exact point of your thread, so if you could clarify that, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Nov 9, 2010 12:54 AM CST Many women
SCatlyn
SCatlynSCatlynBrecon, South Glamorgan, Wales UK5 Threads 2,166 Posts
P.S.I have been clinically traumatized from the consequences of this, and the one suffering from it even more so.

There are also varying degrees of the disorder. My family member is so severe, is on 100% disability, which is very hard to get, esp. when it's a "mental thing". But the severity, & life-altering evidence in this case is so great, was awarded disability w/o ever needing the help of an attorney.
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Nov 9, 2010 12:55 AM CST Many women
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
My reason for this post was to illustrate the prevelence of this disorder, not to knock anyone who may have it, as many people do. But it does receive a bad press with only the extremes published, of course there are many gradients of this disorder and it is prevalent in all walks of life. I wish good luck to people who have insight into it, and are trying to deal with it.
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Nov 9, 2010 12:58 AM CST Many women
SCatlyn
SCatlynSCatlynBrecon, South Glamorgan, Wales UK5 Threads 2,166 Posts
tomcatwarne: My reason for this post was to illustrate the prevelence of this disorder, not to knock anyone who may have it, as many people do. But it does receive a bad press with only the extremes published, of course there are many gradients of this disorder and it is prevalent in all walks of life. I wish good luck to people who have insight into it, and are trying to deal with it.
Thanks, it's nice to see someone who realizes this, and receive some support.thumbs up
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Nov 9, 2010 1:06 AM CST Many women
cherrybrandy
cherrybrandycherrybrandycambridge, Cambridgeshire, England UK24 Threads 7,473 Posts
thanks for the cheerful morning read..and really,what is the point?
im sure,that everyone of us can be diagnosed with some kind of psychiatric disorder,if we bother enough to have the exact diagnose..roll eyes
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Nov 9, 2010 1:10 AM CST Many women
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
cherrybrandy: thanks for the cheerful morning read..and really,what is the point?
im sure,that everyone of us can be diagnosed with some kind of psychiatric disorder,if we bother enough to have the exact diagnose..



WEll I think it is a relevent subject, I,m sorry if I upset your morning, have a good dayangel
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Nov 9, 2010 1:34 AM CST Many women
SCatlyn
SCatlynSCatlynBrecon, South Glamorgan, Wales UK5 Threads 2,166 Posts
It is Very relevant. And no, not all people can be found to have a psychiatric disorder. I've had psychological testing done, and I don't, though I have severe ADHD. It's a neurological disorder in the brain - a physical aspect of the brain, part being the frontal lobe gets less oxygen supply, is therefore smaller, and results in about a 2yr.lag in maturity. Another part of the brain affected by the lack of certain neurons causes the "scatterbrain" & "hyper" problems.
Only 5% of the population has this. But that equals to 1 in 20 - or one in every classroom of 20 children. Depending on the severity, and whether treated, it can result in more severe problems, including a much greater increase in early death.

Those with bi-polar disorder have a tough time getting a diagnosis at all. It takes about 8 tries to find the correct diagnosis. Most give up.
A fantastic interview was done on Larry King, with actress Linda Hamilton speaking of her horrendous battle with bipolar. Author Danielle Steele lost a son to bipolar. Various brain disorders, if untreated, or wrongly diagnosed, lead to psychiatric disorders.

People who joke about mental problems & disorders, don't have a clue... family member has been in 4 serious car accidents, had 5 concussions, all before the age of 22. Along w/broken arms, hand, legs, cut tendons, etc. before car accidents(spine, hip in accidents), so many hospital visits for physical injuries....

This person has caused much heartache, yet been in so much emotional pain(not to mention physical pain), even brought a psychologist to tears.
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Nov 9, 2010 1:38 AM CST Many women
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
SCatlyn: It is Very relevant. And no, not all people can be found to have a psychiatric disorder. I've had psychological testing done, and I don't, though I have severe ADHD. It's a neurological disorder in the brain - a physical aspect of the brain, part being the frontal lobe gets less oxygen supply, is therefore smaller, and results in about a 2yr.lag in maturity. Another part of the brain affected by the lack of certain neurons causes the "scatterbrain" & "hyper" problems.
Only 5% of the population has this. But that equals to 1 in 20 - or one in every classroom of 20 children. Depending on the severity, and whether treated, it can result in more severe problems, including a much greater increase in early death.

Those with bi-polar disorder have a tough time getting a diagnosis at all. It takes about 8 tries to find the correct diagnosis. Most give up.
A fantastic interview was done on Larry King, with actress Linda Hamilton speaking of her horrendous battle with bipolar. Author Danielle Steele lost a son to bipolar. Various brain disorders, if untreated, or wrongly diagnosed, lead to psychiatric disorders.

People who joke about mental problems & disorders, don't have a clue... family member has been in 4 serious car accidents, had 5 concussions, all before the age of 22. Along w/broken arms, hand, legs, cut tendons, etc. before car accidents(spine, hip in accidents), so many hospital visits for physical injuries....

This person has caused much heartache, yet been in so much emotional pain(not to mention physical pain), even brought a psychologist to tears.
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Nov 9, 2010 1:42 AM CST Many women
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
The person who promted me to write this post visited a psychiatrist for 7 years, only to be told not to come again as they could not help her, this was in Finland. I have diagnosed her as ADHD and she has also suffered many accidents due to self madication of alchohol in an attemt to handle this problem.

Her problem has still not been correctly clinically diagnosed, in my opinion.
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Nov 9, 2010 4:15 PM CST Many women
englishelegance
englisheleganceenglisheleganceBirmingham, West Midlands, England UK76 Threads 1 Polls 3,025 Posts
tomcatwarne: The prevalence rate for anorexic eating disorders is estimated a 3.43 percent, deemed to be nearly epidemic, and yet this figure is a fraction lower than the rate for antisocial personality. The high-profile disorders classed as schizophrenia occur in only about 1 percent of [the population] - a mere quarter of the rate of antisocial personality - and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say that the rate of colon cancer in the United States, considered "alarmingly high," is about 40 per 100,000 - one hundred times lower than the rate of antisocial personality.

The high incidence of sociopathy in human society has a profound effect on the rest of us who must live on this planet, too, even those of us who have not been clinically traumatized. The individuals who constitute this 4 percent drain our relationships, our bank accounts, our accomplishments, our self-esteem, our very peace on earth.

Yet surprisingly, many people know nothing about this disorder, or if they do, they think only in terms of violent psychopathy - murderers, serial killers, mass murderers - people who have conspicuously broken the law many times over, and who, if caught, will be imprisoned, maybe even put to death by our legal system.

We are not commonly aware of, nor do we usually identify, the larger number of nonviolent sociopaths among us, people who often are not blatant lawbreakers, and against whom our formal legal system provides little defense.

Most of us would not imagine any correspondence between conceiving an ethnic genocide and, say, guiltlessly lying to one's boss about a coworker. But the psychological correspondence is not only there; it is chilling. Simple and profound, the link is the absence of the inner mechanism that beats up on us, emotionally speaking, when we make a choice we view as immoral, unethical, neglectful, or selfish.

Most of us feel mildly guilty if we eat the last piece of cake in the kitchen, let alone what we would feel if we intentionally and methodically set about to hurt another person.

Those who have no conscience at all are a group unto themselves, whether they be homicidal tyrants or merely ruthless social snipers.

The presence or absence of conscience is a deep human division, arguably more significant than intelligence, race, or even gender.

What differentiates a sociopath who lives off the labors of others from one who occasionally robs convenience stores, or from one who is a contemporary robber baron - or what makes the difference betwen an ordinary bully and a sociopathic murderer - is nothing more than social status, drive, intellect, blood lust, or simple opportunity.

What distinguishes all of these people from the rest of us is an utterly empty hole in the psyche, where there should be the most evolved of all humanizing functions. [Martha Stout, Ph.D., The Sociopath Next Door] (highly recommended)


It takes all sorts to make this world. Many are governed by the media...eg.. how thin we should look, how successful we should be etc etc. I believe we should each look inward to the person god intended us to be and not what we want others to think we are. There is nothing more beautiful than to be oneself,.. regardless of images the media portrays. Thin, fat, accademic or not, we are all gods creation and.......all Beautiful in his eyes!yay
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Nov 9, 2010 4:20 PM CST Many women
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
englishelegance: It takes all sorts to make this world. Many are governed by the media...eg.. how thin we should look, how successful we should be etc etc. I believe we should each look inward to the person god intended us to be and not what we want others to think we are. There is nothing more beautiful than to be oneself,.. regardless of images the media portrays. Thin, fat, accademic or not, we are all gods creation and.......all Beautiful in his eyes!


But we are all governed by our genetic make up and our upbrbrining, nature or nurture ? But you are right you must love yourself b4 you can expect other people to love you, don't lose the child within you, that is the source of all inspiration and love so nurture it.
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Nov 9, 2010 4:25 PM CST Many women
SoldierByte
SoldierByteSoldierByteGrove, Oklahoma USA1,466 Posts
tomcatwarne: The prevalence rate for anorexic eating disorders is estimated a 3.43 percent, deemed to be nearly epidemic, and yet this figure is a fraction lower than the rate for antisocial personality. The high-profile disorders classed as schizophrenia occur in only about 1 percent of [the population] - a mere quarter of the rate of antisocial personality - and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say that the rate of colon cancer in the United States, considered "alarmingly high," is about 40 per 100,000 - one hundred times lower than the rate of antisocial personality.

The high incidence of sociopathy in human society has a profound effect on the rest of us who must live on this planet, too, even those of us who have not been clinically traumatized. The individuals who constitute this 4 percent drain our relationships, our bank accounts, our accomplishments, our self-esteem, our very peace on earth.

Yet surprisingly, many people know nothing about this disorder, or if they do, they think only in terms of violent psychopathy - murderers, serial killers, mass murderers - people who have conspicuously broken the law many times over, and who, if caught, will be imprisoned, maybe even put to death by our legal system.

We are not commonly aware of, nor do we usually identify, the larger number of nonviolent sociopaths among us, people who often are not blatant lawbreakers, and against whom our formal legal system provides little defense.

Most of us would not imagine any correspondence between conceiving an ethnic genocide and, say, guiltlessly lying to one's boss about a coworker. But the psychological correspondence is not only there; it is chilling. Simple and profound, the link is the absence of the inner mechanism that beats up on us, emotionally speaking, when we make a choice we view as immoral, unethical, neglectful, or selfish.

Most of us feel mildly guilty if we eat the last piece of cake in the kitchen, let alone what we would feel if we intentionally and methodically set about to hurt another person.

Those who have no conscience at all are a group unto themselves, whether they be homicidal tyrants or merely ruthless social snipers.

The presence or absence of conscience is a deep human division, arguably more significant than intelligence, race, or even gender.

What differentiates a sociopath who lives off the labors of others from one who occasionally robs convenience stores, or from one who is a contemporary robber baron - or what makes the difference betwen an ordinary bully and a sociopathic murderer - is nothing more than social status, drive, intellect, blood lust, or simple opportunity.

What distinguishes all of these people from the rest of us is an utterly empty hole in the psyche, where there should be the most evolved of all humanizing functions. [Martha Stout, Ph.D., The Sociopath Next Door] (highly recommended)


Hey.....shock
That's the same thing the judge told my ex at her sentencing.doh
were you there too.....???dunno

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Nov 9, 2010 4:27 PM CST Many women
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
SoldierByte: Hey.....
That's the same thing the judge told my ex at her sentencing.
were you there too.....???
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ha ha no way soldier boy, love your humourgrin angel devil
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Nov 9, 2010 4:31 PM CST Many women
englishelegance
englisheleganceenglisheleganceBirmingham, West Midlands, England UK76 Threads 1 Polls 3,025 Posts
tomcatwarne: But we are all governed by our genetic make up and our upbrbrining, nature or nurture ? But you are right you must love yourself b4 you can expect other people to love you, don't lose the child within you, that is the source of all inspiration and love so nurture it.



I have never lost sight of who i am, and am grateful for the innate insight and compassion i have for my fellow man.wine
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Nov 9, 2010 4:35 PM CST Many women
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
englishelegance: I have never lost sight of who i am, and am grateful for the innate insight and compassion i have for my fellow man.

So good to hear from a compassionate person. grin angel devil teddybear
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Nov 9, 2010 4:46 PM CST Many women
langleygirl
langleygirllangleygirlWestlock, Alberta Canada70 Threads 8,202 Posts
Unfortunately the stigma of "mental illness" prevents many from seeking help. Its a hidden illness that encompasses many and truly how much knowledge do most physicians have to diagnose and treat people? I'm not saying that doctors are at fault, but the reality is that most visits are less than 10 minutes in length wherein doctors hardly have the time to listen and ascertain what is going on in someone's life to prescribe proper treatment. Most health coverages disregard these illnesses as well to support those who need assistance.

The reality as well, is that if family members see a problem, they are helpless to get their relative into treatment without their consent. People can refuse treatment, medications etc. ...... do we take away people's rights and freedoms and force them into a care program?
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Nov 9, 2010 4:48 PM CST Many women
JSuburbia
JSuburbiaJSuburbiaOrbisonia, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,518 Posts
langleygirl: Unfortunately the stigma of "mental illness" prevents many from seeking help. Its a hidden illness that encompasses many and truly how much knowledge do most physicians have to diagnose and treat people? I'm not saying that doctors are at fault, but the reality is that most visits are less than 10 minutes in length wherein doctors hardly have the time to listen and ascertain what is going on in someone's life to prescribe proper treatment. Most health coverages disregard these illnesses as well to support those who need assistance.

The reality as well, is that if family members see a problem, they are helpless to get their relative into treatment without their consent. People can refuse treatment, medications etc. ...... do we take away people's rights and freedoms and force them into a care program?




Couldn't agree more.


That being said, it really isn't in the doctors best interest to really get to know the patient....If he did that, he would see less patients, thus make less money. Sadly, the money trumps the patients welfare.
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