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craig63: may be if they made prison like a prison and people are punished for committing a crime instead of prisons being holiday camps thay may not have a problem as people may think twice before committing a crime. Here in southern spain there is a prison which is said to be the worst in spain so hence Malaga has one of the lowest crime rates.
I'm really not sure how prisons are in Spain, but here in the United States, prisons are far from holiday camps.
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craig63: some good points but I say again if today parents and society taught kids discipline and respect things may be different.
I have been in a shop for instance and seen a child playing up and thought god if I did that as a child my parents would have given me a clip round the ear and taken all my privilages away.
I have been in a shop for instance and seen a child playing up and thought god if I did that as a child my parents would have given me a clip round the ear and taken all my privilages away.
My children were given discipline (all six); were given love, care and respect. They learned how to take of themselves and others. They all had jobs beginning at 14. They weren't angels nor devils but individuals. They are now my friends~a precious gift they gave me when they became adults.
A lot of parents do teach their children respect and discipline their children but I have also seen parents from the moment their little bundle of joy is born, so cowed by society scaring them into thinking every little thing they do as parents are wrong, that they are unable to do parent effectively.
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xxDandelionxx: Agree!
Good thread
Good thread
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amahlala: My children were given discipline (all six); were given love, care and respect. They learned how to take of themselves and others. They all had jobs beginning at 14. They weren't angels nor devils but individuals. They are now my friends~a precious gift they gave me when they became adults.
A lot of parents do teach their children respect and discipline their children but I have also seen parents from the moment their little bundle of joy is born, so cowed by society scaring them into thinking every little thing they do as parents are wrong, that they are unable to do parent effectively.
A lot of parents do teach their children respect and discipline their children but I have also seen parents from the moment their little bundle of joy is born, so cowed by society scaring them into thinking every little thing they do as parents are wrong, that they are unable to do parent effectively.
it sounds like your kids have grown up to be good people
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trish123: Yeah, the prison experiment, I think it says it only took a couple of days for the 'guards' to frighteningly assimilate the role and thats without the brainwash stuff......
I cant remember what the bootcamp prog was called but it was a great programme and really did good for the youngsters but I still hold that jobs and apprenticeships would be better - less dehumanising......
I cant remember what the bootcamp prog was called but it was a great programme and really did good for the youngsters but I still hold that jobs and apprenticeships would be better - less dehumanising......
YOu seriously need to run for a seat in your area
Instead of National Service..the apprenticeship would be a solution..
The problem we have here though is that those who 'served their time' in their choosen role, have emigrated long ago..we have such a deficit in trades here..its appalling..
Irleand and England have so little trade industries, after the 80's sell out, that there is nothing left for these kids to get into..
The town I am in has not been affected by the recession..why because we are a 'retail city' that caters for those in the South who cant afford to buy food there. Yet we have no industry other than selling food
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TDRenewed: Friggin Dyslexia
Ah Jaysus..I knew I wasnt coming across correctly..gawd Trish I would love to be sitting in the same room as you having this conversation..I find it so bloody difficult to have a conversation on here..my fingers cant keep up with my brain
Ah Jaysus..I knew I wasnt coming across correctly..gawd Trish I would love to be sitting in the same room as you having this conversation..I find it so bloody difficult to have a conversation on here..my fingers cant keep up with my brain
i know
it happens to me a million times a day too 
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amahlala: My children were given discipline (all six); were given love, care and respect. They learned how to take of themselves and others. They all had jobs beginning at 14. They weren't angels nor devils but individuals. They are now my friends~a precious gift they gave me when they became adults.
A lot of parents do teach their children respect and discipline their children but I have also seen parents from the moment their little bundle of joy is born, so cowed by society scaring them into thinking every little thing they do as parents are wrong, that they are unable to do parent effectively.
A lot of parents do teach their children respect and discipline their children but I have also seen parents from the moment their little bundle of joy is born, so cowed by society scaring them into thinking every little thing they do as parents are wrong, that they are unable to do parent effectively.
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JSuburbia: I'm really not sure how prisons are in Spain, but here in the United States, prisons are far from holiday camps.
glad to hear it, a prison should be a place to be punished for crime. The prison here in southern spain is rough and people are scared to go there so Malaga has one of the lowest crime rates in spain.
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TDRenewed: YOu seriously need to run for a seat in your area
Instead of National Service..the apprenticeship would be a solution..
The problem we have here though is that those who 'served their time' in their choosen role, have emigrated long ago..we have such a deficit in trades here..its appalling..
Irleand and England have so little trade industries, after the 80's sell out, that there is nothing left for these kids to get into..
The town I am in has not been affected by the recession..why because we are a 'retail city' that caters for those in the South who cant afford to buy food there. Yet we have no industry other than selling food
Instead of National Service..the apprenticeship would be a solution..
The problem we have here though is that those who 'served their time' in their choosen role, have emigrated long ago..we have such a deficit in trades here..its appalling..
Irleand and England have so little trade industries, after the 80's sell out, that there is nothing left for these kids to get into..
The town I am in has not been affected by the recession..why because we are a 'retail city' that caters for those in the South who cant afford to buy food there. Yet we have no industry other than selling food
Its because money runs the show - instead of social interest they concentrate on profit margins cos they are all in somebody elses pockets and the irony is they want the children of the poor, those who suffer most in this debacle, to send their kids off to get doffed off for the privilege - do they think we are mad???? well yes, obviously cos everybody keeps a falling for the same scam...... but hey, at least cap doffing went out of fashion - or was that just caps
Thanks for the complimet too
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craig63: glad to hear it, a prison should be a place to be punished for crime. The prison here in southern spain is rough and people are scared to go there so Malaga has one of the lowest crime rates in spain.
also here if you want to commit crime and you are caught and arrested by the cuardia civil they dont mess about they act and then ask questions, I have seen spanish people being lippy to a cuardia civil officer but they soon shut up when he gets his gun or trunchon out.
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craig63: glad to hear it, a prison should be a place to be punished for crime. The prison here in southern spain is rough and people are scared to go there so Malaga has one of the lowest crime rates in spain.
And ours are full of youths who have had no direction in life, kids who have unrecognised conditions such as Aspergers, ADHD etc
A study has been done by the Wardern of Mount Joy Jail ( Dublin) in which he believes that approx 80+% of his population have been missed by health services for years with the disorders above....so in essence.....they didnt stand a chance from the get go..
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craig63: I served in the Royal Air Force for 5 years when leaving school and it was a great time, you learnt a trade, discipline, respect for others and self respect my only regret is that I did not sign up again. With todays kids having no discipline at home or having no respect for others should the uk and other countries bring back national service for ALL school leavers.
For me its a Yes.
For me its a Yes.
I can understand about it teaching them discipline....but with so many young men....no more than babies....I am glad it is not a reality....sending young boys to fight a mans war....
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TDRenewed: And ours are full of youths who have had no direction in life, kids who have unrecognised conditions such as Aspergers, ADHD etc
A study has been done by the Wardern of Mount Joy Jail ( Dublin) in which he believes that approx 80+% of his population have been missed by health services for years with the disorders above....so in essence.....they didnt stand a chance from the get go..
A study has been done by the Wardern of Mount Joy Jail ( Dublin) in which he believes that approx 80+% of his population have been missed by health services for years with the disorders above....so in essence.....they didnt stand a chance from the get go..
Have you seen the crap thats in the mass produced stuff we feed them, this accounts for many of the behavioural issues - just milk for instance......
You know, if I was a conspiracy theorist Id be having a field day right now - instead Im just getting a few things out there..... and that feels good!
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trish123: Its because money runs the show - instead of social interest they concentrate on profit margins cos they are all in somebody elses pockets and the irony is they want the children of the poor, those who suffer most in this debacle, to send their kids off to get doffed off for the privilege - do they think we are mad???? well yes, obviously cos everybody keeps a falling for the same scam...... but hey, at least cap doffing went out of fashion - or was that just caps
Thanks for the complimet too
Thanks for the complimet too
I still agree with my theory of National Service is and what it can do for a young person
I dont agree with young people going to war on the ideals of old men around a desk whilst their own children are cushioned and protected..Soldier Byte may be able to help out on this next part
Soldier..I have watched documentaries on the recruitment of the youth in US..within the programmes, it was highlighted that many of the youth who signed up for the last war you were involved in, were from poor communities in which they officers targeted school kids for enlistment...
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Thanks my friends for all your comments and views. My time in the RAF was 5 great years and made me a better person towards myself and others and gave me a building block for the rest of my life. sadly there is always a chance that you may be sent into a conflict so lets be thankful to all our boys and girls who are prepared to stand up to the people who want to take away other peoples freedom including yours.
to you all.
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craig63: Thanks my friends for all your comments and views. My time in the RAF was 5 great years and made me a better person towards myself and others and gave me a building block for the rest of my life. sadly there is always a chance that you may be sent into a conflict so lets be thankful to all our boys and girls who are prepared to stand up to the people who want to take away other peoples freedom including yours.
to you all.
to you all.
Im really happy for you and dont want to argue but there are other ways besides the armed services - if people werent so wishy washy about letting the politicians literally get away with murder there wouldnt be so much need for armed forces intervention in the first place.....
With the current climate the chances of being sent into conflict are somewhat higher than random slight chance......
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trish123: I agree with you on lots of these issues but politically, we are at least a hundred years apart - you seem to be of the impression that the gvmt acts in the interests of the people, I know for a fact that isnt so....... and while they work that way I will keep an answer of 'no' to the question posed.....
Please dont think I dont find remembrance Sunday important, I sob my heart out every single year........
Please dont think I dont find remembrance Sunday important, I sob my heart out every single year........
sorry, dyslexia....
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TDRenewed: Its happening right now...economically There isnt a country in the world that is not affected by it
I think theres going to be big troubles ahead personally and its too late to get the youngsters any discipline at this stage.
I just live in a tiny place and going into the local village at nights isnt something i do without thinking first, theres loads of discontented youths brooding about with their bottles of cider waiting for something to kick off - I reckon this is why they armed our coppers with tazers a couple of yrs back....
Maybe if the army was to be deployed on our own streets, setting up youth clubs and teaching life skills I may be more in favour of the proposal...
They need jobs not to be conscripted - whats there for them at the end of a couple of years service too? They will just be better equipped fighters, the unrest on the streets will still be there till they get the work situation sorted out - but the numbskull british voters have let the same lot back in that caused the problems in the first place - brainwahing lives, but the unrest is bubbling over elsewhere because they are a lot more educated than the masses of 100 yrs ago - if it doesnt kick off big style in Europe this time Ill be very surprised....
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trish123: I agree with you on lots of these issues but politically, we are at least a hundred years apart - you seem to be of the impression that the gvmt acts in the interests of the people, I know for a fact that isnt so....... and while they work that way I will keep an answer of 'no' to the question posed.....
Please dont think I dont find remembrance Sunday unimportant, I sob my heart out every single year........
Please dont think I dont find remembrance Sunday unimportant, I sob my heart out every single year........
i totally agree with you trish about the gvmt. All i can say from my own experiance is that myself and many of my friends whom i served with had no problems about the fact of possible conflict as we all had the view that it was the young generation people like my nieces that it was their freedom we were committed to protect and if that meant giving our lives so be it because they would grow up being free. As regards the gvmt yes trish of course all their dissicions are political but when you swear to protect queen and country and all those who live under the british flag against any threat to their human rights freedom and democracy sadly they come into that catorgary.
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Nah, Im not here much longer, like I said, I refuse to get drawn in, have had my say now......
I dont think politicians see fighting and stuff as a last resort anymore they just see profit margins.......
Friggin Dyslexia
Ah Jaysus..I knew I wasnt coming across correctly..gawd Trish I would love to be sitting in the same room as you having this conversation..I find it so bloody difficult to have a conversation on here..my fingers cant keep up with my brain