Poverty (61)

Nov 30, 2010 4:56 PM CST Poverty
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
I remember about 4 years back some idiot from a charity saying that 40% of the population were living in poverty and another very left wing political idiot saying we had to redefine the definition of the word, 'Poverty.'That to me was an affront to people who were in genuine poverty.

At the time I remember being quite angry. I think of poverty as not knowing where your next meal is coming from or not having anywhere to live or not being able to feed or clothe the kids or be in fear of eviction or the electricity being cut off!

During the Celtic Tiger poverty seemed to mean not having SKY or cable tv and a car!

So here's my question. What do you define as poverty?

Then again, if the thread's too boring for a Tuesday night, feel free to hijack it!laugh
Nov 30, 2010 4:58 PM CST Poverty
blipper2000
blipper2000blipper2000dublin, Dublin Ireland69 Threads 9 Polls 6,900 Posts
poverty is not having a pole in the house to swing onlaugh
Nov 30, 2010 5:00 PM CST Poverty
robpacciani
robpaccianirobpaccianiGalway, Ireland211 Threads 3 Polls 5,134 Posts
Godsgift: I remember about 4 years back some idiot from a charity saying that 40% of the population were living in poverty and another very left wing political idiot saying we had to redefine the definition of the word, 'Poverty.'That to me was an affront to people who were in genuine poverty.

At the time I remember being quite angry. I think of poverty as not knowing where your next meal is coming from or not having anywhere to live or not being able to feed or clothe the kids or be in fear of eviction or the electricity being cut off!

During the Celtic Tiger poverty seemed to mean not having SKY or cable tv and a car!

So here's my question. What do you define as poverty?

Then again, if the thread's too boring for a Tuesday night, feel free to hijack it!


If i didnt have a penny in my pocket and if i was on the dole, i would not be able to define myself as being in poverty..

As you just said, when you are worrying when your next meal is, that is when i would reckon the word poverty would come in for me. Once i have a roof over my head , my health and some food each day then im fine..

No such thing as poverty in this country in my own opinion.. Even the homeless get a free meal..

In africa your lucky to see a meal in a year
Nov 30, 2010 5:04 PM CST Poverty
craized
craizedcraizedEnnis, Clare Ireland5 Threads 1 Polls 1,473 Posts
Godsgift: I remember about 4 years back some idiot from a charity saying that 40% of the population were living in poverty and another very left wing political idiot saying we had to redefine the definition of the word, 'Poverty.'That to me was an affront to people who were in genuine poverty.

At the time I remember being quite angry. I think of poverty as not knowing where your next meal is coming from or not having anywhere to live or not being able to feed or clothe the kids or be in fear of eviction or the electricity being cut off!

During the Celtic Tiger poverty seemed to mean not having SKY or cable tv and a car!

So here's my question. What do you define as poverty?

Then again, if the thread's too boring for a Tuesday night, feel free to hijack it!


Hunger and cold springs to mind!

All very simliar to yours not having or knowing where your next meal is coming from.. fear of eviction, unable to afford our very basic needs of survial such as clothing, food
Nov 30, 2010 5:05 PM CST Poverty
blipper2000
blipper2000blipper2000dublin, Dublin Ireland69 Threads 9 Polls 6,900 Posts
robpacciani: If i didnt have a penny in my pocket and if i was on the dole, i would not be able to define myself as being in poverty..

As you just said, when you are worrying when your next meal is, that is when i would reckon the word poverty would come in for me. Once i have a roof over my head , my health and some food each day then im fine..

No such thing as poverty in this country in my own opinion.. Even the homeless get a free meal..

In africa your lucky to see a meal in a year

yes true
people here dont appreciate what we have in this great country of ours
we have the best social welfare system in the world
this countrys not perfect but its better than most
obviously there are some people who are struggling but the council will supply a house for you noif yer homeless so its still all godd here i thinkthumbs up
Nov 30, 2010 5:06 PM CST Poverty
kielybear
kielybearkielybearLimerick, Ireland58 Threads 731 Posts
I agree with Rob,not having food or shelter to me is poverty,were blessed in this country,we forget at times how lucky we are.IMO

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Nov 30, 2010 5:07 PM CST Poverty
blipper2000
blipper2000blipper2000dublin, Dublin Ireland69 Threads 9 Polls 6,900 Posts
craized: Hunger and cold springs to mind!

All very simliar to yours not having or knowing where your next meal is coming from.. fear of eviction, unable to afford our very basic needs of survial such as clothing, food

but as rob says what about people in zimbabwe
the sudan and many other countries where parents have to watch their kids starve to death form lack of food and water
it will never get that bad here
we should be thankfullprofessor
Nov 30, 2010 5:07 PM CST Poverty
LadyBlackAdder
LadyBlackAdderLadyBlackAdderKillarney, Kerry Ireland24 Threads 2,355 Posts
Godsgift: I remember about 4 years back some idiot from a charity saying that 40% of the population were living in poverty and another very left wing political idiot saying we had to redefine the definition of the word, 'Poverty.'That to me was an affront to people who were in genuine poverty.

At the time I remember being quite angry. I think of poverty as not knowing where your next meal is coming from or not having anywhere to live or not being able to feed or clothe the kids or be in fear of eviction or the electricity being cut off!

During the Celtic Tiger poverty seemed to mean not having SKY or cable tv and a car!

So here's my question. What do you define as poverty?

Then again, if the thread's too boring for a Tuesday night, feel free to hijack it!


I had to do a little research into this for a project and I dont have my notes to hand here and now but I do recall that in Ireland the statistics stated that 5% lived below the poverty line while in the US, 14% did. The poverty line was set by each country individually according to what was needed to keep body and soul together in that country and Ireland's poverty line was higher than in the States.

I definitely think that poverty would mean not being able to provide yourself and/or your family with adequate food and shelter but I would hope in a welfare state, it is unnecessary for anyone to starve.
Nov 30, 2010 5:08 PM CST Poverty
robpacciani
robpaccianirobpaccianiGalway, Ireland211 Threads 3 Polls 5,134 Posts
blipper2000: yes true
people here dont appreciate what we have in this great country of ours
we have the best social welfare system in the world
this countrys not perfect but its better than most
obviously there are some people who are struggling but the council will supply a house for you noif yer homeless so its still all godd here i think


Spot on.. It is the best social welfare system in the world. The people who owe 100k and cant pay it back and are now blaming the economy...

Well why did they take out so much money in the first place?
They have to take the blame too and i dont feel too sorry for these people who thought their life was gonna be a cosy life without having the brains to think "well what would happen if the country went belly-up?"
Nov 30, 2010 5:13 PM CST Poverty
jampet
jampetjampetwexford, Wexford Ireland28 Threads 1 Polls 2,549 Posts
I think this cold weather brings the reality of it- like you said- not having sky tv,( to watch on your 60'' tv!) does not count as poverty- having to choose between food and keeping warm in this weather, is one sign of real poverty for those that are facing itmoping
Nov 30, 2010 5:16 PM CST Poverty
craized
craizedcraizedEnnis, Clare Ireland5 Threads 1 Polls 1,473 Posts
robpacciani: If i didnt have a penny in my pocket and if i was on the dole, i would not be able to define myself as being in poverty..

As you just said, when you are worrying when your next meal is, that is when i would reckon the word poverty would come in for me. Once i have a roof over my head , my health and some food each day then im fine..

No such thing as poverty in this country in my own opinion.. Even the homeless get a free meal..

In africa your lucky to see a meal in a year


There are support groups and resources available to people however these are usually short term and also you must consider not everyone will have the mind frame or capabilities to seek such help there are many out there in this situation Ireland included.. many of us are looking enough to have family/friends that may be able to help in time in need but not always

Do you know difficult it is to do basic stuff such as open a bank account without a so called permanent address or ID, creating problems seeking employment, social benefits etc

You know we struggled so much to help my uncle who need medical care & equipment when we looked to help him we faced huge problems as he couldn't communicate probarly! As a young man suffered from polio who became a crippled shy so throughout his life had little interaction with anyone other then his family, the difficulties we faced as a family to help him as we effectively communicated for him as he'd be running for the fields if anyone came by! and the fact that he didn't speak any English so in Hospital we had to stay with him as he was so shy he couldn't communicate due to language barrier not everyone can say they have a family that could do this for them he was lucky not everyone is, I just can't imgaine what his life would be like if he didn't have us
Nov 30, 2010 5:20 PM CST Poverty
craized
craizedcraizedEnnis, Clare Ireland5 Threads 1 Polls 1,473 Posts
blipper2000: but as rob says what about people in zimbabwe
the sudan and many other countries where parents have to watch their kids starve to death form lack of food and water
it will never get that bad here
we should be thankfull


You must consider circumstances and much more of this happens in Ireland then we think!! We do support each other but as I said from previous post where I gave an example to someone that certainly would have starved to death only for he was lucky enough to have his family... look closer to home it actually happens many suffer with or without resources sometimes those resources/help doesn't make its way to all ok the numbers are less but it happens
Nov 30, 2010 5:23 PM CST Poverty
robpacciani
robpaccianirobpaccianiGalway, Ireland211 Threads 3 Polls 5,134 Posts
craized: You must consider circumstances and much more of this happens in Ireland then we think!! We do support each other but as I said from previous post where I gave an example to someone that certainly would have starved to death only for he was lucky enough to have his family... look closer to home it actually happens many suffer with or without resources sometimes those resources/help doesn't make its way to all ok the numbers are less but it happens


But in Africa, they all have their families too.. But no resources.. Here your family provided for your uncle with the resources available.. Now if ye lived in Zambia would ye be able to cope the same way?

Were blessed in this country... Even in the worst economic state ever in the country, people are still getting over 200 a week for nothing..
Nov 30, 2010 5:27 PM CST Poverty
jampet
jampetjampetwexford, Wexford Ireland28 Threads 1 Polls 2,549 Posts
craized: There are support groups and resources available to people however these are usually short term and also you must consider not everyone will have the mind frame or capabilities to seek such help there are many out there in this situation Ireland included.. many of us are looking enough to have family/friends that may be able to help in time in need but not always

Do you know difficult it is to do basic stuff such as open a bank account without a so called permanent address or ID, creating problems seeking employment, social benefits etc

You know we struggled so much to help my uncle who need medical care & equipment when we looked to help him we faced huge problems as he couldn't communicate probarly! As a young man suffered from polio who became a crippled shy so throughout his life had little interaction with anyone other then his family, the difficulties we faced as a family to help him as we effectively communicated for him as he'd be running for the fields if anyone came by! and the fact that he didn't speak any English so in Hospital we had to stay with him as he was so shy he couldn't communicate due to language barrier not everyone can say they have a family that could do this for them he was lucky not everyone is, I just can't imgaine what his life would be like if he didn't have us

not quite sure what you are saying here,but sadly( and, again sadly, in the light of recent reports that you should be careful what you say online , I won't go into detail, as I want to keep my own job), sometimes, having a caring family 'nearby' can go against you and limit the services available to youmoping
Nov 30, 2010 5:32 PM CST Poverty
blipper2000
blipper2000blipper2000dublin, Dublin Ireland69 Threads 9 Polls 6,900 Posts
craized: You must consider circumstances and much more of this happens in Ireland then we think!! We do support each other but as I said from previous post where I gave an example to someone that certainly would have starved to death only for he was lucky enough to have his family... look closer to home it actually happens many suffer with or without resources sometimes those resources/help doesn't make its way to all ok the numbers are less but it happens

theres allways glitches in the system but it happens very rarely
unfortunately someone like yer uncle would probably be deceased now
in many countries there is no social welfare and certainly maybe only 10 at most as good as ireland
people are dieing by the millions around the world of poverty and even thirst
tens of millions in africa have hiv or malaria
we have a very high standard of living here and unfortunately mostpeopleidea of poverty here is having to cancel their sky sports package
anyone who wants housing and is homeless can get housed by the council in ireland
the poverty in india and china and vast areas of asia ,south america and africa is startling
obviously yer uncle is an exceptional case but your family had the resources to help him
many abroad dont
Nov 30, 2010 5:33 PM CST Poverty
blipper2000
blipper2000blipper2000dublin, Dublin Ireland69 Threads 9 Polls 6,900 Posts
jampet: not quite sure what you are saying here,but sadly( and, again sadly, in the light of recent reports that you should be careful what you say online , I won't go into detail, as I want to keep my own job), sometimes, having a caring family 'nearby' can go against you and limit the services available to you

i dont understand that handshake confused
Nov 30, 2010 5:33 PM CST Poverty
craized
craizedcraizedEnnis, Clare Ireland5 Threads 1 Polls 1,473 Posts
jampet: not quite sure what you are saying here,but sadly( and, again sadly, in the light of recent reports that you should be careful what you say online , I won't go into detail, as I want to keep my own job), sometimes, having a caring family 'nearby' can go against you and limit the services available to you



rolling on the floor laughing I do waffle

suppose point is it that people face poverty through lack of knowledge or capabilities to seek help from the system so very likely face poverty even in Ireland (those that obviusoly don't have support from family)
Nov 30, 2010 5:36 PM CST Poverty
blipper2000
blipper2000blipper2000dublin, Dublin Ireland69 Threads 9 Polls 6,900 Posts
craized: I do waffle

suppose point is it that people face poverty through lack of knowledge or capabilities to seek help from the system so very likely face poverty even in Ireland (those that obviusoly don't have support from family)

its all relative of course
you only wanted the best for ye runcle which is commendable
we are so used to having many luxuries in this country compared to other parts of the world i suppose
Nov 30, 2010 5:42 PM CST Poverty
craized
craizedcraizedEnnis, Clare Ireland5 Threads 1 Polls 1,473 Posts
blipper2000: its all relative of course
you only wanted the best for ye runcle which is commendable
we are so used to having many luxuries in this country compared to other parts of the world i suppose


ya very true!! sadly he passed away a couple years ago crying but I did often wonder how would he have coped without us as he would never have been able to seek the support he needed!
Nov 30, 2010 5:44 PM CST Poverty
blipper2000
blipper2000blipper2000dublin, Dublin Ireland69 Threads 9 Polls 6,900 Posts
craized: ya very true!! sadly he passed away a couple years ago but I did often wonder how would he have coped without us as he would never have been able to seek the support he needed!

im sure you realise noone was getting at you there
i know you do but ill say it anywayhandshake
its allways sad when arelative passeshandshake
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