Children and the state (75)
katt1017: I knew you were a class act.
I find I have little patience for those who present an offensive, bigoted idea as a question. E.G. Question number 2.
I find I have little patience for those who present an offensive, bigoted idea as a question. E.G. Question number 2.
Was that meant as a compliment or were you meaning it in a scarcastic manner?
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Ccincy: Was that meant as a compliment or were you meaning it in a scarcastic manner?
I was stating my admiration for your words.
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katt1017: I knew you were a class act.
I find I have little patience for those who present an offensive, bigoted idea as a question. E.G. Question number 2.
I find I have little patience for those who present an offensive, bigoted idea as a question. E.G. Question number 2.
Do you bother to read the thread or do you just wade in with your big size twelves and no thought.
Lets try and make this simple specifically for you.
IF somebody can justify refusing to provide support for children from families who have little or no resources, as 'a drain upon society' THEN WHO DO YOU THINK IS NEXT ON THE LIST!!!! It is called the thin end of the wedge, and if you had BOTHERED to read some of the thread you would have seen that.
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Iuchi_Zien: Do you bother to read the thread or do you just wade in with your big size twelves and no thought.
Lets try and make this simple specifically for you.
IF somebody can justify refusing to provide support for children from families who have little or no resources, as 'a drain upon society' THEN WHO DO YOU THINK IS NEXT ON THE LIST!!!! It is called the thin end of the wedge, and if you had BOTHERED to read some of the thread you would have seen that.
Lets try and make this simple specifically for you.
IF somebody can justify refusing to provide support for children from families who have little or no resources, as 'a drain upon society' THEN WHO DO YOU THINK IS NEXT ON THE LIST!!!! It is called the thin end of the wedge, and if you had BOTHERED to read some of the thread you would have seen that.
I read the post and I've seen this game too many times before. No one danced to your tune so you claimed you were misunderstood the first time someone called you on your bigotry:
Trealach01: What a sick mind you have to even ask these sick questions
To which you replied:
Iuchi_Zien: So I take it you have never read newspapers attacking unemployed parents with large numbers of children? You have never heard people condemn single parents for being a 'drain' upon society? You don't remember the utter condemnation from some of the woman in the US who had multiple children and required state aid to finance them?
Stop pretending to be a victim every time you start out to stir up trouble.
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Firstly how dare you presume to know what I am thinking. I raised the subject after reading a really nasty piece of 'journalism' suggesting that women/families should have their pregnancy forcibly terminated if they cannot provide evidence of their ability to finance the child without resorting to state aid. Written I might point out by one of your countrymen.
Secondly I'm not a victim I'm quite capable of fighting my corner in spite of the vitriol you continue to spew. I just have a problem with illiterate muppets like yourself who seem unable to grasp the use of the English language and am not going to be a victim just because it suits you. I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO RAISE THE QUESTION and if you don't like it that is just tough. If you find question difficult then I suggest you disappear off to your 'far-right bible bashers' site and bother them.
I suggest you sit down with a dictionary and make the effort to look up what I ACTUALLY said not what YOU THINK I said.
Secondly I'm not a victim I'm quite capable of fighting my corner in spite of the vitriol you continue to spew. I just have a problem with illiterate muppets like yourself who seem unable to grasp the use of the English language and am not going to be a victim just because it suits you. I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO RAISE THE QUESTION and if you don't like it that is just tough. If you find question difficult then I suggest you disappear off to your 'far-right bible bashers' site and bother them.
I suggest you sit down with a dictionary and make the effort to look up what I ACTUALLY said not what YOU THINK I said.
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Iuchi_Zien: Firstly how dare you presume to know what I am thinking. I raised the subject after reading a really nasty piece of 'journalism' suggesting that women/families should have their pregnancy forcibly terminated if they cannot provide evidence of their ability to finance the child without resorting to state aid. Written I might point out by one of your countrymen.
Secondly I'm not a victim I'm quite capable of fighting my corner in spite of the vitriol you continue to spew. I just have a problem with illiterate muppets like yourself who seem unable to grasp the use of the English language and am not going to be a victim just because it suits you. I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO RAISE THE QUESTION and if you don't like it that is just tough. If you find question difficult then I suggest you disappear off to your 'far-right bible bashers' site and bother them.
I suggest you sit down with a dictionary and make the effort to look up what I ACTUALLY said not what YOU THINK I said.
Secondly I'm not a victim I'm quite capable of fighting my corner in spite of the vitriol you continue to spew. I just have a problem with illiterate muppets like yourself who seem unable to grasp the use of the English language and am not going to be a victim just because it suits you. I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO RAISE THE QUESTION and if you don't like it that is just tough. If you find question difficult then I suggest you disappear off to your 'far-right bible bashers' site and bother them.
I suggest you sit down with a dictionary and make the effort to look up what I ACTUALLY said not what YOU THINK I said.
I'd like to invite anyone reading this post to click on the link below Iuchi_Zien's picture to his previous posts on this website.
If you do so you will see how often he claims to be misunderstood, rages at other posters and presumes to know what others are thinking.
If so inclined please do the same with the history of my posts and judge for yourself who is consumed with rage.
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Iuchi, way back on pages 2/3 we were in a discussion and your last question to me I answered and since no reply was posted I wonder what your answer is ....Just hate to leave things hanging
Iuchi_Zien: Then you are lucky! I was actually sacked from a job with a very famous telecom company, a while ago, because I refused to lie to the people I was supposed to be serving. Have you never been in a position where somebody has benefited over you by dishonesty? As an example, how do you explain to a child, and I'll use the football analogy, why cheating, in the form of a deliberate handball to score a goal has not been punished? Why it is not OK for them to do the same? I know that teaching the difference between right and wrong is what I SHOULD do but the question becomes is it the RIGHT thing to do?
Me
Pretty easy show the child all the times a foul or penalty has been given and explain that if you do wrong you stand a chance of being penalised thereby losing the game. Anyone who cannot understand that not all folk play fair in all walks of life is not being honest. Explaining to the child that if they try and get away with cheating they will and often be penalised. By emphasising the penalty option then the child will see clearly that cheating is not always an option for the best outcome to anything. As always JMO
Iuchi_Zien: Then you are lucky! I was actually sacked from a job with a very famous telecom company, a while ago, because I refused to lie to the people I was supposed to be serving. Have you never been in a position where somebody has benefited over you by dishonesty? As an example, how do you explain to a child, and I'll use the football analogy, why cheating, in the form of a deliberate handball to score a goal has not been punished? Why it is not OK for them to do the same? I know that teaching the difference between right and wrong is what I SHOULD do but the question becomes is it the RIGHT thing to do?
Me
Pretty easy show the child all the times a foul or penalty has been given and explain that if you do wrong you stand a chance of being penalised thereby losing the game. Anyone who cannot understand that not all folk play fair in all walks of life is not being honest. Explaining to the child that if they try and get away with cheating they will and often be penalised. By emphasising the penalty option then the child will see clearly that cheating is not always an option for the best outcome to anything. As always JMO
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Iuchi_Zien: OK, Question.
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
How bout we raise all children from test tube babies in a lab to working drones dressed in color coded clothes that show their status in life in special schools. Adults will be free to spend every weekend partying and getting laid because they will all be sterilized. Everybody who complains will be sent for reconditioning. Everybody will be on pills designed to keep them happy all the time.
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Iuchi_Zien: OK, Question.
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
No. Freedom of choice, Freedom of speech.1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
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Witchaywoman: How bout we raise all children from test tube babies in a lab to working drones dressed in color coded clothes that show their status in life in special schools. Adults will be free to spend every weekend partying and getting laid because they will all be sterilized. Everybody who complains will be sent for reconditioning. Everybody will be on pills designed to keep them happy all the time.
ohhh I know let's be like this.
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Actractorguy: ohhh I know let's be like this.
Or like this:
A Brave New World used to horrify me. Now, Iseriously think there were some great ideas in that book - the least of which is to sort society by IQ.
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Witchaywoman: Or like this:
A Brave New World used to horrify me. Now, Iseriously think there were some great ideas in that book - the least of which is to sort society by IQ.
A Brave New World used to horrify me. Now, Iseriously think there were some great ideas in that book - the least of which is to sort society by IQ.
Yeah. I don't think IQ has much bearing on a person though. Being able to understand and absorb knowledge is totally different than reading and then dropping the book.
I've met some really stupid professors when it comes to real life. They may be smart in what they do but other things there just as smart as a sack of rocks.
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Witchaywoman: Or like this:
A Brave New World used to horrify me. Now, Iseriously think there were some great ideas in that book - the least of which is to sort society by IQ.
A Brave New World used to horrify me. Now, Iseriously think there were some great ideas in that book - the least of which is to sort society by IQ.
In some ways you are right, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a 'meritocracy' where people are promoted based upon there SKILL & CAPABILITY not upon 'who they know' or 'how much money daddy has'. The question then becomes how do you make it work? How do you prevent parents, and I include myself here, from trying to stack the deck IN FAVOUR of my children?
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Iuchi_Zien: In some ways you are right, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a 'meritocracy' where people are promoted based upon there SKILL & CAPABILITY not upon 'who they know' or 'how much money daddy has'.
The question then becomes how do you make it work?
The question then becomes how do you make it work?
In the ever elusive utopian society where everyone is equal. As long as there are people with lower or higher IQ's that will never happen.
You will never be able to make it work 100%. There will always be those the feel entitled to something their not and will get there by the influence of the family via social of financial status. It is just part of the game.
Iuchi_Zien: How do you prevent parents, and I include myself here, from trying to stack the deck IN FAVOUR of my children?
You can't keep others from it. You can start with yourself and teach your children good moral and social values. Teach them that with hard work they can achieve anything. It does happen. Teach them that good morals are not for making others feel good but to make them feel good. Teach them that No one is better than them but that they are also not above others as a humans.
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I knew you were a class act.
I find I have little patience for those who present an offensive, bigoted idea as a question. E.G. Question number 2.