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Feb 18, 2011 2:26 PM CST Two Suns
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
Earth could be getting a second sun, at least temporarily.

Dr. Brad Carter, Senior Lecturer of Physics at the University of Southern Queensland, outlined the scenario to news.com.au. Betelgeuse, one of the night sky's brightest stars, is losing mass, indicating it is collapsing. It could run out of fuel and go super-nova at any time.


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Feb 18, 2011 2:28 PM CST Two Suns
Medsummer
MedsummerMedsummerflopping around on the beach, Liguria Italy78 Threads 8 Polls 1,682 Posts
that would be the event of a lifetime to witness if we could see it easy enough.
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Feb 18, 2011 2:32 PM CST Two Suns
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
Medsummer: that would be the event of a lifetime to witness if we could see it easy enough.

Will the amount of radiation grow to a critical point???
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Feb 18, 2011 2:35 PM CST Two Suns
Medsummer
MedsummerMedsummerflopping around on the beach, Liguria Italy78 Threads 8 Polls 1,682 Posts
Boban1: Will the amount of radiation grow to a critical point???


critical to us here? I haven't bothered to check that part since it is much further away from our sun.
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Feb 18, 2011 2:37 PM CST Two Suns
ReadyToTryAgain
ReadyToTryAgainReadyToTryAgainCromwell, Connecticut USA1 Threads 733 Posts
Roger Waters: "Two suns in the sunset......could be the human race is run!"wow
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Feb 18, 2011 2:41 PM CST Two Suns
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Boban1: Will the amount of radiation grow to a critical point???



Having said all that, I’ll note that someday, Betelgeuse will explode. That’s for certain! But it’s also way too far away to hurt us. A supernova has to be no farther than about 25 light years away to be able to fry us with light or anything else, and Betelgeuse is 25 times that distance (which means its power to hurt us is weakened by over 600x). It’s the wrong kind of star to explode as a gamma-ray burst, so I’m not worried about that either.

At that distance, it’ll get bright, about as bright as the full Moon. That’s pretty bright! It’ll hurt your eyes to look at it, but that’s about it. The original post says it may get as bright as the Sun, but that’s totally wrong. It won’t even get 1/100,000th that bright. Still bright, but it’s not going to cook us. Even if it were going to explode soon. Which it almost certainly isn’t.



grin angel devil
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Feb 18, 2011 2:44 PM CST Two Suns
Medsummer
MedsummerMedsummerflopping around on the beach, Liguria Italy78 Threads 8 Polls 1,682 Posts
tomcatwarne:
Even if it were going to explode soon. Which it almost certainly isn’t.


might it have already and the light not reached us yet?
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Feb 18, 2011 2:44 PM CST Two Suns
labrat
labratlabratEast London, Eastern Cape South Africa29 Threads 692 Posts
The world is going quite mad
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Feb 18, 2011 2:45 PM CST Two Suns
Boban1: Earth could be getting a second sun, at least temporarily.

Dr. Brad Carter, Senior Lecturer of Physics at the University of Southern Queensland, outlined the scenario to news.com.au. Betelgeuse, one of the night sky's brightest stars, is losing mass, indicating it is collapsing. It could run out of fuel and go super-nova at any time.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/20/two-suns-twin-stars_n_811864.html
laugh





Betelgeuse is already old for its size class and is expected to explode relatively soon compared to its age. Solving the riddle of mass-loss will be the key to knowing when a supernova may occur, an event expected anytime in the next million years. Supporting this hypothesis are a number of unusual features that have been observed in the interstellar medium of the Orion Molecular Cloud Complex, which suggest that there have been multiple supernova explosions in the recent past. Betelgeuse's suspected birthplace in the Orion OB1 Association is the probable location for such supernovae. Since the oldest subgroup in the association has an approximate age of 12 million years, the more massive stars likely had sufficient time to evolve to this stage. Also, because runaway stars are believed to be caused by supernova explosions, there is strong evidence that OB stars µ Columbae, AE Aurigae and 53 Arietis all originated with such an explosion in Ori OB1 2.2, 2.7 and 4.9 million years ago.

At its current distance from Earth, such a supernova explosion would be the brightest recorded, outshining the Moon in the night sky and becoming easily visible in broad daylight. Professor J. Craig Wheeler of The University of Texas at Austin predicts the supernova will emit 1053 ergs of neutrinos, which will pass through the star's hydrogen envelope in around an hour, then reach the solar system several centuries later. Since its rotational axis is not pointed toward the Earth, Betelgeuse's supernova is unlikely to send a gamma ray burst in the direction of Earth large enough to damage ecosystems. The flash of ultraviolet radiation from the explosion will likely be weaker than the ultraviolet output of the Sun. The supernova could brighten to an apparent magnitude of -12 over a two-week period, then remain at that intensity for 2 to 3 months before rapidly dimming. The year following the explosion, radioactive decay of cobalt to iron will dominate emission from the supernova remnant, and the resulting gamma rays will be blocked by the expanding envelope of hydrogen. If the neutron star remnant becomes a pulsar, then it could produce gamma rays for thousands of years.



Relatively soon!
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Feb 18, 2011 2:46 PM CST Two Suns
Actractorguy
ActractorguyActractorguyTims Ford Lake, Tennessee USA26 Threads 7 Polls 2,089 Posts
Medsummer: might it have already and the light not reached us yet?


Yes it's quite possible. 600 light years it could be a year from now or 600 years or more we won't really know until it shows itself as having exploded.
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Feb 18, 2011 2:47 PM CST Two Suns
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Medsummer: might it have already and the light not reached us yet?


well I suppose it could have over 600 years agorolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing grin angel devil
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Feb 18, 2011 2:48 PM CST Two Suns
ReadyToTryAgain
ReadyToTryAgainReadyToTryAgainCromwell, Connecticut USA1 Threads 733 Posts
Medsummer: might it have already and the light not reached us yet?
no, the Mirror or TMZ would of told us rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 18, 2011 2:49 PM CST Two Suns
Medsummer
MedsummerMedsummerflopping around on the beach, Liguria Italy78 Threads 8 Polls 1,682 Posts
tomcatwarne: well I suppose it could have over 600 years ago


dam...now I'm going to have to wait for it! rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 18, 2011 2:49 PM CST Two Suns
Medsummer: might it have already and the light not reached us yet?
Astronomers believe Betelgeuse is only 10 million years old, but has evolved rapidly because of its high mass. It is thought to be a runaway star from the Orion OB1 Association, which also includes the late type O and B stars in Orion's belt—Alnitak, Alnilam and Mintaka. Currently in a late stage of stellar evolution, Betelgeuse is expected to explode as a type II supernova, possibly within the next million years. Because Betelgeuse is between 497 and 789 lightyears away from Earth, Betelgeuse may have already become a supernova centuries ago; if so, the light is still in transit.




So much for Beetlejuice!rolling on the floor laughing


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Feb 18, 2011 2:56 PM CST Two Suns
Medsummer
MedsummerMedsummerflopping around on the beach, Liguria Italy78 Threads 8 Polls 1,682 Posts
Conrad73: Astronomers believe Betelgeuse is only 10 million years old, but has evolved rapidly because of its high mass. It is thought to be a runaway star from the Orion OB1 Association, which also includes the late type O and B stars in Orion's belt—Alnitak, Alnilam and Mintaka. Currently in a late stage of stellar evolution, Betelgeuse is expected to explode as a type II supernova, possibly within the next million years. Because Betelgeuse is between 497 and 789 lightyears away from Earth, Betelgeuse may have already become a supernova centuries ago; if so, the light is still in transit.

So much for Beetlejuice!



Hmm...maybe I can get a ticket scam going? It should make a few million by the time the show starts!
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Feb 18, 2011 3:11 PM CST Two Suns
Medsummer: Hmm...maybe I can get a ticket scam going? It should make a few million by the time the show starts!
Or having to hide for the next half million years!rolling on the floor laughing
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